Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I have been disgusted with the hyena purity brigade for a long time. THEY know what a conservative is. THEY know what a RINO is. THEY know what the bible says. THEY are hypocrites.
The GOP never wins when they run a liberal or moderate. But they keep trying. And folks keep buying the fear thing.
Taxman Bravo Zulu Jim!
We conservatives have been fed a sh!t sandwich, and we must make the best of it, because to not work our a$$es off to ensure the defeat of Obongo Bozo and his LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist/Fascist hangers-on will mean the end of America as we know it.
So, we spend as much time, talent and treasure as we can afford to elect conservatives in the down ticket races.
We actively oppose Obongo Bozo at every turn — bumper stickers, yard signs, street theater — whatever we can do to inform Americans how terrible the USA will become if he wins again.
After Obongo Bozo is defeated, we then hold the US Government’s feet to the fire, and use whatever legal means we can to reclaim our Constitutional Republic.
To not do so would be to capitulate to the Forces of Evil, and I, for one, am not willing to do that!
Press on, Jim, and God Bless America!
Thanks for sharing your insights, dear boxlunch!
No... we wont get bored...
It will become a F’ing MANTRA...
We will chant it in our GD sleep...
When this disaster comes to fruition, WE will make sure EVERYONE knows it was the progressive GOP-e that caused it. We repeat it at every opportunity, every day, for as long as it takes to become common knowledge...
F the progressive gop-e
“Paul is in the campaign as a spoiler for Romney”
“This statement is illogical. Ron Paul has run for election to the office of the president at least three times.”
This statement is not illogical, it actually touches on a key and fundamental reason why RINOs were nominated in 2008 and 2012. Ron Paul is to blame, and what he has done is SPLIT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE. It’s high time we call him out and put blame on him for his role - partly intended - in damaging conservative hopefuls.
By begin anti-war extremist and a libertarian and not a true conservative, Ron Paul is UNACCEPTABLE to real conservatives. However, his small Government views are good and appealling enough to some that he peels off their vote and support.
Ron Paul is not a Republican. He’s a libertarian who has decided - correctly - that 3rd party politics go nowhere (he knows, he was the libertarian party candidate in 1988) so he runs as a Republican - NOT TO WIN BUT TO DISRUPT. You can respect him for it, he wants to advance his ideals, BUT THE CONSEQUENCE OF HIS RUNS HAS BEEN THE DIVIDING AND CONQUERING OF THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT AT THE HANDS OF RINOS.
Conservatives have since Reagan had the ‘three legged stool’ of
1. strong military and peace through strength
2. Free market and low taxes / low spending
3. Traditional family values and prolife
Ron Paul appeals to 1 1/2 of those, and not only that - he ATTACKS those who are true Reaganites - blasting those who like Reagan want a strong America as ‘neocons’, and attacking social conservatives with opposing views against traditional marriage. In doing so, he sows division, discord and disunity. His minions are a disruptive force in the party.
In the primaries, Ron Paul has gotten his 10%, sometimes more. What’s left of the conservative movement in the primaries?
A SoCon ‘wing’ that ends up supporting real social conservatives (Huckabee08/Santorum12) that also arent true reaganites (not being small government conservatives).
The fiscal/small-government conservative wing that ends up supporting someone who - BECAUSE RON PAUL BLED OFF VOTES - CANT WIN!!! Consider Fred Thompson / Newt Gingrich - the hopes that never were. If Ron Paul was not in the race, and thos votes went to Newt - Newt would have won in Iowa and Florida. If, further, that momentum encourage the social conservatives to join in.... the conservative wins.
that didnt happen. Why? WE WERE DIVIDED. Why? Ron Paul was there to attack REAL CONSERVATIVES (did you know he ran ATTACK ADS AGAINST RICK PERRY IN IOWA?!?) tear them down. He might as well have been on Romney’s payroll, he was that effective at stopping conservatives. As a result, real conservatives DONT HAVE A CHANCE.
In Reagan’s formula, we united libertarians, national security conservatives and social conservatives. With Ron Paul, they are divided.
BY DIVIDING CONSERVATIVES, RON PAUL HAS BECOME THE ENABLER OF RINO VICTORIES IN 2008 AND 2012.
This is not Ron Paul’s primary intention, but it might as well be - BECAUSE RON PAULS REAL GOAL IS JUST AS BAD: HE WANTS TO REPLACE REAGAN’S CONSERVATIVE AGENDA WITH A DIFFERENT, LIBERTARIAN ONE. It’s bad because where Ron Paul and Reagan part ways (and Ron Paul attacked Reagan enough to leave the party in 1988), Reagan was right and Paul is wrong.
Ron Paul will never ever be the Republican nominee.
Since his success leads to the failure of consrvatives, best thing is to never ever encourage him by giving him any support.
He is as good for conservatives as rat poison.
“He, like George Washington, believes in NO foreign entanglements.” - As newt would put it, that’s pious baloney. Ron Paul, like CODE PINK, has voted with the left on a number of foreign policy votes, undercut President Bush, blamed America for 9/11, and has for years been so soft on terrorists he’s attracted nutball conspiracy theory supporters. Palling around with Alex Jones will do that. The reality is Ron Paul is nutty on a number of issues that make him very unelectable.
Thanks for the encouragement! We must elect real conservatives to Congress to help keep this RINO in check!
AMEN Taxman! AMEN!
Thanks Jim. Best we can do for this cycle. Live to fight another day. Anyone (and I mean anyone is better than Obama).
The Buckley Rule on voting: Vote for the most conservative *electable* candidate. Sure it’s narrowly circumscribed - every President since Lincoln - that’s been 150 years now - has been Republican or Democrat.
If you want to influence the outcome, you choose D or R. Voting 3rd party is just a no-op protest vote.
The Constitution Party got under 1% of the vote in 2008, a year when a worse RINO than Romney headed the GOP ticket - McCain. Romney is more conservative than McCain, enough so that real conservatives like Marc Levin back in 2008 were grasping at Romney as that conservative alternative to McCain. If you could tell that the Pubbie was more conservative than Obama in 2008 you can tell certainly that in 2012.
If Obama werent a jobkilling socialist ready to circumvent the congress and constitution and presiding over the impending bankrupting of our nation, I’d say ‘go for it’ wrt 3rd party, but giving Obama 4 more years is playing with fire. I cannot in good conscience let that happen to my children, or for that matter any American family.
Anyone But Obama therefore requires voting Republican.
Because no matter how much he will disappoint me starting on January 20, 2013, I still get to taste (figuratively) the sweet tears of unfathomable sadness shed by Obama, Mooch, and all their idiot supporter for a two and a half glorious months.
I'll at least have that.
“I suggested here, about a week ago, that with Romney as the nominee, our best case scenario would be a democrat president being fought, tooth and nail, by a conservative leaning congress controlled by the Rs.”
we’ve had that in 2011 and 2012, since we have the House, and I dont know if you noticed, but its not working out so great.
you really want 4 more years of THIS!?!?
Thanks for starting this thread and allowing a freewheeling discussion. I have enjoyed reading all 1,151 post and will now give my two cents worth.
By nature we conservatives are not as cohesive a group as liberals and are less prone to compromise strongly held beliefs for a greater good. Most of us are not really good at politics because we draw such bright lines for ourselves and expect our candidates to follow in lockstep in order to be worthy of our support. We are generally more certain in our opposition to a particular candidate than we are in our support of one and thus are more willing to prefer defeat to compromise.
During this election cycle, we have seen an untold number of post declaring: I will never vote for [Bachman, Cain, Perry, Santorum, Gingrich] because they did or did not do or support something that we as individuals did or did not like. While the conservative candidates combined consistently attracted more support that Romney, we could never agree on anyone. Even after it was down to Gingrich and Santorum, we could not bring ourselves to compromise and settle on one. We can try to tell ourselves that Romneys victory was due to some manipulation by the Republican Establishment or the media elite, but for me, the time for self delusion is past.
I have come to accept that either Romney or Obama will be elected in November and that engaging in a feel good exercise or making a protest statement with my vote can not change that fact. I will thus be voting for one of the two and it will certainly not be Oboma.
Our mission is to get rid of Obongo Bozo and elect as many conservatives down ticket as we can.
We all must work together to make that happen, and quit squabbling about Romney not being conservative enough.
Romney is not a narcissistic meglamaniac, and he will not subvert the Constitution. He is not my first choice, but he will be a MUCH better President than ZEROBamaa!
Congrats are in order for a new life. It will be a challenge at your age (mainly the age of the mother), no offense, but I am sure you already knew that. The plus side of that is that you are much more mature and have life experience now to know how to raise a child properly... and I am sure your own kids would love to take part in helping ;)
Our deepest thanks for the good wishes!
Amnio seems to be normal, which was a huge worry as you can imagine. More tests are scheduled for Monday.
Honestly not sure I can deal with the strains of a baby again - the grandkids are bad enough but at least I get to hand them back!
Johnny - mine did that too. Any time I got into dress uniform I’d get puked on (or worse)!
“And to compound the lunacy, theres not a single candidate about whom Ive EVER seen a consensus here. They all have some foible, quirk, past position, appearance (weight, hair, etc.), or other disqualifier that the self-righteous chest-thumpers attack them for.”
DITTOS on this.
I wanted Perry. he was attacked lambasted for being impure and open borders for in-state tuition (dont agree with him on it, but so what? didnt make him non-conservative).
Newt, Santorum, Cain, etc. all attacked as well by folks for the other side. Much more negative than positive energy.
Result? NOBODY IS LIKED. Nobody gets consensus support. maybe we need an 11th commandment.
“Its a shame one of these perfect people dont run and give the world an opportunity to vote for the perfect candidate.”
There are none. That’s the point.
The constant Romney attacks are part of that too. He’s not perfect nor conservative, but the anti-Romney hyperbole is extreme to the point of absurdity, inclduing the silly claim that he’s not different from Obama; might as well go to dKos if you want a site trashing a Republican that bad.
If FR would clean up negative-attack-spam, it would help. It’s one thing to logically critique a candidate. It’s another to see the same attack-spam gif for the 100th time.
“We took all 70 county positions for the Republicans. It was a wholesale massacre. That is how it is done.”
Houston TX? Now that’s friggin impressive.
” - - - There is a big Tea Party Express rally for Paul in Austin this week end.”
Here is some food for thought to munch on:
Could it be that a REAL Republican is preparing to be a Presidential Primary Candidate in 2016?
2016 will be to late, so we need to draft him/her in August, 2012.
We need to draft this REAL Republican in 2012 and avoid the sorry Romney years if Romney wins!
IMHO, Romney will loose by a hair to Obama which will require that Obama be immediately IMPEACHED in order to save our Republic.
Obama or Obamalite, the US Federal Government will not have its, and therefore our, financial house in order by 2016.
Thus, political resolution of the main problem: OVERSPENDING BY THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, may not be achievable in 2016.
Hence, it is IMPERATIVE that we have an OPEN Convention in Tampa so that a REAL Republican can be drafted, albeit kicking and screaming, to be the Republican Party Nominee for the Office of the President of the United States of America.
I propose that voting for Ron Paul as a Primary wedge Candidate against Romney would lead to an Open Convention in Tampa.
Since Ron Paul cannot win the Nomination, he would just serve as our last best wedge hope of defeating Romney AND the GOP-E in an Open Convention.
Primary Candidate Ron Paul is the last non-Romney Candidate left standing between the GOP-Es Romney, (= probable loss to Obama in November), and an Open Convention of a Republican that can soundly defeat Obama.
A win over Obama is not enough, Obama MUST lose in a LANDSLIDE!!!!!!
NONE of the Primary Candidates have shown that they have that potential.
It is time for an Open Convention to choose the best Presidential Candidate.
It is time for us Conservatives to turn out in massive numbers in the remaining primaries, especially in the big electoral delegate states such as Texas and California, and vote for ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY!
Ron Paul needs only to win one more State Primary to qualify as a Republican Nominee Candidate, and therefore is our best chance for Open Convention delegates to select a GREAT Nominee.
What say all of you?
“I approached our state GOP party about running (for a state office) They said no thanks because I was a Conservative and they were looking for people close to center.”
Your mistake is in thinking you need to ask permission. You decide based on getting a feel for the support you can get and then you TELL them you’re running. party folks always want and need good candidates for positions.
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