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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: volunbeer
I'm voting Romney and hoping he wins.

Because no matter how much he will disappoint me starting on January 20, 2013, I still get to taste (figuratively) the sweet tears of unfathomable sadness shed by Obama, Mooch, and all their idiot supporter for a two and a half glorious months.

I'll at least have that.


1,151 posted on 05/04/2012 9:33:34 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (If I had a failed one-term President, he'd look like Obama.)
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To: cuban leaf

“I suggested here, about a week ago, that with Romney as the nominee, our “best case” scenario would be a democrat president being fought, tooth and nail, by a conservative leaning congress controlled by the R’s.”

we’ve had that in 2011 and 2012, since we have the House, and I dont know if you noticed, but its not working out so great.

you really want 4 more years of THIS!?!?


1,152 posted on 05/04/2012 9:39:14 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for starting this thread and allowing a freewheeling discussion. I have enjoyed reading all 1,151 post and will now give my two cents worth.

By nature we conservatives are not as cohesive a group as liberals and are less prone to compromise strongly held beliefs for a greater good. Most of us are not really good at politics because we draw such bright lines for ourselves and expect our candidates to follow in lockstep in order to be worthy of our support. We are generally more certain in our opposition to a particular candidate than we are in our support of one and thus are more willing to prefer defeat to compromise.

During this election cycle, we have seen an untold number of post declaring: I will never vote for [Bachman, Cain, Perry, Santorum, Gingrich] because they did or did not do or support something that we as individuals did or did not like. While the conservative candidates combined consistently attracted more support that Romney, we could never agree on anyone. Even after it was down to Gingrich and Santorum, we could not bring ourselves to compromise and settle on one. We can try to tell ourselves that Romney’s victory was due to some manipulation by the Republican Establishment or the media elite, but for me, the time for self delusion is past.

I have come to accept that either Romney or Obama will be elected in November and that engaging in a feel good exercise or making a protest statement with my vote can not change that fact. I will thus be voting for one of the two and it will certainly not be Oboma.


1,153 posted on 05/04/2012 9:39:35 PM PDT by etcb
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To: Bigun

Thank you!

Our mission is to get rid of Obongo Bozo and elect as many conservatives down ticket as we can.

We all must work together to make that happen, and quit squabbling about Romney not being conservative enough.

Romney is not a narcissistic meglamaniac, and he will not subvert the Constitution. He is not my first choice, but he will be a MUCH better President than ZEROBamaa!


1,154 posted on 05/04/2012 9:41:36 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Bikkuri; Finny; JRandomFreeper

Congrats are in order for a new life. It will be a challenge at your age (mainly the age of the mother), no offense, but I am sure you already knew that. The plus side of that is that you are much more mature and have life experience now to know how to raise a child properly... and I am sure your own kids would love to take part in helping ;)


Our deepest thanks for the good wishes!

Amnio seems to be normal, which was a huge worry as you can imagine. More tests are scheduled for Monday.
Honestly not sure I can deal with the strains of a baby again - the grandkids are bad enough but at least I get to hand them back!

Johnny - mine did that too. Any time I got into dress uniform I’d get puked on (or worse)!


1,155 posted on 05/04/2012 9:43:13 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: Magic Fingers

“And to compound the lunacy, there’s not a single candidate about whom I’ve EVER seen a consensus here. They all have some foible, quirk, past position, appearance (weight, hair, etc.), or other disqualifier that the self-righteous chest-thumpers attack them for.”

DITTOS on this.
I wanted Perry. he was attacked lambasted for being impure and open borders for in-state tuition (dont agree with him on it, but so what? didnt make him non-conservative).
Newt, Santorum, Cain, etc. all attacked as well by folks for the other side. Much more negative than positive energy.

Result? NOBODY IS LIKED. Nobody gets consensus support. maybe we need an 11th commandment.

“It’s a shame one of these perfect people don’t run and give the world an opportunity to vote for the perfect candidate.”

There are none. That’s the point.

The constant Romney attacks are part of that too. He’s not perfect nor conservative, but the anti-Romney hyperbole is extreme to the point of absurdity, inclduing the silly claim that he’s not different from Obama; might as well go to dKos if you want a site trashing a Republican that bad.

If FR would clean up negative-attack-spam, it would help. It’s one thing to logically critique a candidate. It’s another to see the same attack-spam gif for the 100th time.


1,156 posted on 05/04/2012 9:46:21 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: buffaloguy

“We took all 70 county positions for the Republicans. It was a wholesale massacre. That is how it is done.”

Houston TX? Now that’s friggin impressive.


1,157 posted on 05/04/2012 9:47:44 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: RitaOK
Thanks very much for pinging me. I apologize for being so tardy replying. I think you know where I stand and I'm not planning to move an inch.

That said, according to the poll watchers and so called experts only a handful of states will determine the next president and my state isn't among 'em, so why not take a disinterested view? LOL.

I've said all along that I'm putting my energies into local, state, and U.S. Senate and House races, to try to help elect as many TEA Party patriots and Conservatives as possible, remembering that "rebellion starts from the bottom up." Let's get it on!
1,158 posted on 05/04/2012 9:48:20 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: jpsb; MSSC6644; Gennie; EasySt; unique1; Dudoight

” - - - There is a big Tea Party Express rally for Paul in Austin this week end.”

Here is some food for thought to munch on:

Could it be that a REAL Republican is preparing to be a Presidential Primary Candidate in 2016?

2016 will be to late, so we need to draft him/her in August, 2012.

We need to draft this REAL Republican in 2012 and avoid the sorry Romney years if Romney wins!

IMHO, Romney will loose by a hair to Obama which will require that Obama be immediately IMPEACHED in order to save our Republic.

Obama or Obamalite, the US Federal Government will not have it’s, and therefore our, financial house in order by 2016.

Thus, political resolution of the main problem: OVERSPENDING BY THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, may not be achievable in 2016.

Hence, it is IMPERATIVE that we have an OPEN Convention in Tampa so that a REAL Republican can be drafted, albeit kicking and screaming, to be the Republican Party Nominee for the Office of the President of the United States of America.

I propose that voting for Ron Paul as a Primary wedge Candidate against Romney would lead to an Open Convention in Tampa.

Since Ron Paul cannot win the Nomination, he would just serve as our last best wedge hope of defeating Romney AND the GOP-E in an Open Convention.

Primary Candidate Ron Paul is the last non-Romney Candidate left standing between the GOP-E’s Romney, (= probable loss to Obama in November), and an Open Convention of a Republican that can soundly defeat Obama.

A “win” over Obama is not enough, Obama MUST lose in a LANDSLIDE!!!!!!

NONE of the Primary Candidates have shown that they have that potential.

It is time for an Open Convention to choose the best Presidential Candidate.

It is time for us Conservatives to turn out in massive numbers in the remaining primaries, especially in the big electoral delegate states such as Texas and California, and vote for ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY!

Ron Paul needs only to win one more State Primary to qualify as a Republican Nominee Candidate, and therefore is our best chance for Open Convention delegates to select a GREAT Nominee.

What say all of you?


1,159 posted on 05/04/2012 9:49:35 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: reaganaut

“I approached our state GOP party about running (for a state office) They said ‘no thanks’ because I was a Conservative and they were looking for ‘people close to center’.”

LOL!

Your mistake is in thinking you need to ask permission. You decide based on getting a feel for the support you can get and then you TELL them you’re running. party folks always want and need good candidates for positions.


1,160 posted on 05/04/2012 9:49:49 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: Longbow1969; CharlesWayneCT

“that’s pretty much just one person spamming old anti-Romney stories people have already read or otherwise don’t care about. It’s like a daily temper tantrum resulting in useless dated material being sprayed out on to the forums.”

Yeah, it degrades the utility of the site to have old dated respammed stuff crowding out real stories.


1,161 posted on 05/04/2012 9:52:16 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: betty boop
This criminal conspiracy MUST be removed from the Oval Office. This is the most corrupt executive I have ever seen in my life, and perhaps in all American history.

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!


1,162 posted on 05/04/2012 10:05:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jeff Head
The change, getting back to the constitution, has to be done “consitutionally”.

Well the 'only way' that can be done is as determined already, by Constitutional amendment. Congress or the states can initiate that.... then the amendment has to be ratified by a fixed number of states before it takes effect... it can also be changed at a "Constitutional Convention,"... but none have been done that way since the 1700s.

1,163 posted on 05/04/2012 10:10:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: MSSC6644

“I don’t really support Ron Paul”

Then don’t shill for him. The primary is over. Romney will be the nominee. Ron Paul is only making noise and is irrelevent, except for how he has destroyed the ability for consensus conservatives to win (see my other post on this).


1,164 posted on 05/04/2012 10:12:39 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: caww

Well they do bash Jim and FR relentlessly on that site ....yet you then come into Jim’s House, thinking you should be received as a guest, and sit at his table??? Why not just go to a site who doesn’t bash your friend here?


I don’t insult anyone. Well, not often - I can get a mite riled up at times, not being the most even tempered person in the universe. Those times I normally hit abuse on my own posts and ask they be removed, then apologise via freepmail to whoever it was.
Any mod can confirm that. So can anyone I have insulted in the past (probably three or four people).

I am happy to come in, sit on Jim’s porch and shoot the breeze with like minded people. Fetch along the odd 6 pack too, or start discussions (sometimes provocatively - ask DJ or wagglebee about my abortion thread sometime).

I simply got saddened then irritated by what, to me, seemed like censorship of free speech via zotting.
I don’t make the mistake of assuming that free speech means you can say what you like and damn about the feelings of others. Posted about that here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2876381/posts?page=535#535 or see the last line on my profile page. But I do believe that everyone has the right to be heard even if - or especially if - they see things differently from you.

How else do you continue to learn and grow?


1,165 posted on 05/04/2012 10:17:46 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah; right. Whatever!


1,166 posted on 05/04/2012 10:19:32 PM PDT by Homers-odd-I-see (We've got to get Obama out of the White House on Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“If public schools still taught kids to read, it might be possible to have supplemental books that parents could furnish to their kids, books which would “fill in the holes” left by lie-berals in school texts.”

Yes, and I encourage any parents who have no choice about putting their kids in public school to spend an hour debriefing them every day.

It may well be the best part of both your days. Make it fun and loving. You have more influence over your children than a truckload of commie teachers. Utilize it!


1,167 posted on 05/04/2012 10:21:09 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: CharacterCounts; Kevmo

Most conservatives are Republican.
Most Republicans are conservatives.


1,168 posted on 05/04/2012 10:21:23 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: Homers-odd-I-see

MEOW much?


1,169 posted on 05/04/2012 10:26:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: WOSG
Then don’t shill for him.

Read all my other 13 posts on this and I hope you'll understand I wasn't being a shill. You seem to be very angry.

1,170 posted on 05/04/2012 10:28:01 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: MSSC6644

I’m not angry at all, but see #1146.

people keep wondering why conservatives seem hapless in the presidential primaries, and we need to realize the destructive influence Ron Paul has had in the dynamic.

JMHO.


1,171 posted on 05/04/2012 10:31:32 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: WOSG
The constant Romney attacks are part of that too. He’s not perfect nor conservative, but the anti-Romney hyperbole is extreme to the point of absurdity, inclduing the silly claim that he’s not different from Obama; might as well go to dKos if you want a site trashing a Republican that bad.

One could make the argument that Mitt's current platform is far more conservative than Obama and that it's worth taking a long-shot chance on Mitt.

That said...

Mitt is a known liar.

In my view Mitt's supposed "conversion" on abortion (and other issues) is a little too late in life for me to believe.

It's still May. Why support Mitt now when his stinky feet need to be held to the fire, every minute of every day?

At this point in time I will reserve judgement on what I will do in November.

1,172 posted on 05/04/2012 10:32:37 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: JRandomFreeper

Since Dole and Clinton.
The GOP never wins when they run a liberal or moderate. But they keep trying. And folks keep buying the fear thing.


No arguments from me on that statement although I question just how much appetite for discomfort our fellow citizens have. Most people are going to have to tighten their belts including those on social security if we are going to save ourselves.

I am not ashamed to admit that I am very afraid of what is coming. I have three little reasons - ages 3, 5, and 6. I wonder what life will be like for them. Most American’s seem more concerned about their own comfort than future generations.

“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.” - Thomas Jefferson

Wise words indeed. Our children will pay the debts with austerity and blood if we don’t address the problems we voted for.


1,173 posted on 05/04/2012 10:34:59 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: Magic Fingers; Finny

“A more complete way to look at it is that by casting your vote for someone other than Obama OR Romney in the General, neutral between those two, you are using your vote to weaken either liberal victory.”

“If Obama wins it will be 100% Communist, 100% of the time, with him and his appointees (cabinet posts, czars, judges). The destructive regime won’t be weakened in the slightest by a symbolic protest vote.”

CORRECT!

Obama’s 2nd term will be his most dangerous one.


1,174 posted on 05/04/2012 10:35:02 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: MaxFlint

“Either he’s a left winger or he’s an opportunist. “

The odds of a Mormon venture capitalist businessman with 5 kids and a normal stay-at-home wife being a leftist? ZERO.

100% opportunist.

Romney will be a weathervane Republican, which beats Marxist Obama hands down.


1,175 posted on 05/04/2012 10:45:45 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: volunbeer
Locally, I have three grandbabies under age 6 and their mother and my son-in-law that I worry about. Can't do much about the batch in California...

I called them tonight to warn them of the storm that veered south of us.

We're all in the same boat, however. And my crew is ready for what comes.

I personally haven't had running hot water since late 2008.

Not bad during the summer, when the water here is bath temp. But it's... refreshing.... in the winter.

/johnny

1,176 posted on 05/04/2012 10:45:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Dagnabitt

I’m voting Romney and hoping he wins.
Because no matter how much he will disappoint me starting on January 20, 2013, I still get to taste (figuratively) the sweet tears of unfathomable sadness shed by Obama, Mooch, and all their idiot supporter for a two and a half glorious months.

I’ll at least have that.


Thanks for the laugh. I will enjoy watching that!


1,177 posted on 05/04/2012 10:47:18 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: delapaz

“So Obama takes the blame, we teach the GOP a lesson about acceptable nominations, and a crack at a conservative in 2016 to rebuild the economy. Triple play.”

But this puts us in the bizarre position of hoping Obama wins. . .


1,178 posted on 05/04/2012 10:47:18 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: caww

I’m not talking about changing the Constitution. I am talking about the nation changing...congress, the executive, the SCOTUS so that they actually follow the Constitution

To do that involves we the people electing the right people to office who will do so and keep their oath to do so.

We took a good step in that direction in 2010 during the mid terms with the Tea Party.

We just have to get people who will pass laws, sign laws, and interpret lawas according to the Constitution as it exists.

That is my meaning.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


1,179 posted on 05/04/2012 10:47:30 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: caww

I’m not talking about changing the Constitution. I am talking about the nation changing...congress, the executive, the SCOTUS so that they actually follow the Constitution

To do that involves we the people electing the right people to office who will do so and keep their oath to do so.

We took a good step in that direction in 2010 during the mid terms with the Tea Party.

We just have to get people who will pass laws, sign laws, and interpret lawas according to the Constitution as it exists.

That is my meaning.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


1,180 posted on 05/04/2012 10:48:49 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: EnglishCon

Again my question, especially now that you’ve stated,.. “I am happy to come in, sit on Jim’s porch and shoot the breeze with like minded people”....so why would you go to a site that trashes your friend and FR friends here?.... Do you also see them as like minded people when you sit on their porch while they shoot insults at Jim and those here?


1,181 posted on 05/04/2012 10:49:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: WOSG
The odds of a Mormon venture capitalist businessman with 5 kids and a normal stay-at-home wife being a leftist? ZERO.

Just who was that leftist who was governing Massachusetts from 2002 to 2006 if it wasn't a "Mormon venture capitalist businessman with 5 kids and a normal stay-at-home wife"?

1,182 posted on 05/04/2012 10:50:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The most fearsome words in the English language 'I'm from the Romney campaign and I'm here to help!")
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To: struggle

I will take a picture of Obama with me in the voting booth. That might enable me to pull the lever for Romney, my last choice among repubs.


1,183 posted on 05/04/2012 10:58:27 PM PDT by entropy12 (Anybody but Obama in 2012)
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To: dagnabit
I’m voting Romney and hoping he wins.

Because no matter how much he will disappoint me starting on January 20, 2013, I still get to taste (figuratively) the sweet tears of unfathomable sadness shed by Obama, Mooch, and all their idiot supporter for a two and a half glorious months.


You are absolutely right. If all else were to remain equal, electing Romney is worthwhile for that reason alone. Seeing the weeping and gnashing of teeth of all the Obamatrons. Watching "when's my next round of golf" Obama and "when's my next vacation?" Michelle thrown out by a Republican candidate that no one was that enthused about, except as a means of tossing Barry onto the scrap heap of history would be a delicious moment. Another point is that if Obama is reelected he'll do whatever he wants with no regard for how anyone feels about it because the voters' feelings will have no effect on his reelection chances at all. At least Romney would face a substantive threat from the electorate that has at least the theoretical possibility of moderating his behavior in office. That simply isn't there with an Obama second term. And yet we see some "conservatives" saying that there's no difference between a reelected Obama who has already done greater damage to the nation than any president to date and Mitt Romney who has at least the possibility of not doing that damage as well as the possibility of reversing Barry's damage.
1,184 posted on 05/04/2012 11:01:10 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: GeronL

how much influence have conservatives had on the Obama administration?

Kind of like Obama’s nickname: ZERO.

So 4 more years of that will empower conservatives?


1,185 posted on 05/04/2012 11:05:48 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: EternalVigilance

Newt called him a massachusetts moderate, that’s accurate. Not a leftist then, not a leftist now.
Reserve the word Leftist for the Real Deal - that’s Obama.


1,186 posted on 05/04/2012 11:05:55 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I still hope for a few more years because we get more ready each year.

I had to go outside in between post for a guy with a dump trailer to drop off 7 yards of horse manure/bedding. Free off craigslist and it will go into preparing the next garden bed so we can rotate them with nitrogen fixing crops. One families waste is another’s garden so to speak. :)

You should get a sun shower. They actually work and the energy is free!


1,187 posted on 05/04/2012 11:07:36 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: FreeReign

“In my view Mitt’s supposed “conversion” on abortion (and other issues) is a little too late in life for me to believe. “

You mean like GHW Bush abortion flipflop? we got Clarence Thomas out of GHWBush, and we’ll likely get some good SCOTUS pick out of Romney - and if he pulls a Miers stunt like GWB did, we’ll give ‘em h*ll over it.

“It’s still May. Why support Mitt now when his stinky feet need to be held to the fire, every minute of every day? “

Fine. But Mitt’s the nominee. Attacking him as being as bad as Obama is absurd, wrong and pointless. Team Obama would love for you to be wasting time doing that. Take your time, but the choice is simple and obvious. Anyone But Obama.


1,188 posted on 05/04/2012 11:12:21 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: JediJones

“Giving ol’ Mittsky just ONE more chance, eh?”

Up until now, Romney has had zero chances outside Massachusetts to govern.

“The conservative movement has a better shot of thriving under a second Obama term than a Romney term.”

Another term and we will NEVER REPEAL OBAMACARE. It will be burrowed in like a tick. Another term and we get naother $6 trillion in debt and are locked on the path of becoming greece.

Insanity: giving 4 more years to the most leftist President ever and imagining that is good for conservatives.


1,189 posted on 05/04/2012 11:19:03 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Don't waste money on butt lift's...
Send it to Free Republic!

1,190 posted on 05/04/2012 11:22:27 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: Finny; Magic Fingers

“If Obama wins it will be 100% Communist, 100% of the time...”
“If it was that certain and that easy, why hasn’t he done it already?”

Obamacare, ending mexico city policy, adding $1 trillion in spending, bank regs, amnesty by fiat, EPA run riot, NLRB thugs vs boeing, stimulus deals galore, bailouts for unions at GM etc. sure seem like he was moving as fast as he could. Now his ‘julia’ ad shows his agenda - cradle-to-grave socialist welfare statism.


1,191 posted on 05/04/2012 11:22:27 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: NYTexan
That was harsh, unkind, and uncalled for.

I need eye-bleach. And brain-bleach.

/johnny

1,192 posted on 05/04/2012 11:26:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: WOSG
Attacking him as being as bad as Obama is absurd, wrong and pointless. Team Obama would love for you to be wasting time doing that.

I didn't say that Mitt was as bad as Obama.

Don't post to me that I did.

1,193 posted on 05/04/2012 11:27:47 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: caww; Quix

No. I don’t particularly like it. Have actually posted to that effect - same username there as here, so you can quickly check on that statement for yourself. (Post 15 on the first page of my posted comments on my profile, for ease of reference, though it might be on the following page by the time you read this)

In some peoples cases I understand it, but that no more means I agree with it than I necessarily agree with you on everything.

As to why? Hey, they got libs there to debate! At least three, and two of them are very, very good at tying you in knots in an argument.
Also have a lot of friends there, some of whom I disagree with hugely and love arguing with.
I have people I consider friends here too, who I disagree with hugely. To give you one example from here - Quix (courtesy pinged) and I are about as far apart on the religious spectrum as it is possible to be, and argue about that almost constantly. Yet we are friends.

It isn’t an either/or thing. I am a member of several dozen sites. I am a writer and do script work for movies (usually really bad movies, but that is beside the point). Does that make me a Hollywood liberal?
Your attitude is the attitude that peeved me enough to post in a thread I would not normally post in.
I am me. Not you. Not married to you, related to you or beholden to you in any way, shape or form. You want something from me, you better be persuasive, because dictating to me does not work. The only person that has that right has been my right hand, support and shield for 37 years, and even she doesn’t try to tell me who I can and cannot associate with.

Until Jim tells me I am not welcome on his porch, which is totally his right, I will continue to visit, to see my friends and chat about the day. Yes, I’ll continue to fetch along the odd six pack. So what. Any guest who has even a vague sense of decency does that and respects their hosts feelings.
I am also free to go to other sites and post there too.


1,194 posted on 05/04/2012 11:28:43 PM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Don’t feel too bad, that was my birthday card from my brother.


1,195 posted on 05/04/2012 11:28:43 PM PDT by NYTexan
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To: JRandomFreeper

” there are still states yet to vote, and delegates to get, and a convention.”

Correct, and Romney will get the votes, the delegates, and win on the first ballot at the convention. He’s being endorsed by all candidates except Ron Paul. Romney has over 800 delegates and is close to getting over the 50% mark soon, certainly after texas and Cali he’ll be over the hump officially. Almost every state has a rule where if you get over 50% of the vote you get 100% of delegates. Romney will be getting 100% of the remaining delegates or close to that.

The primary is over.


1,196 posted on 05/04/2012 11:29:04 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: rogue yam

“This year we can run against big government, resentment of success, and identity politics like never before. We are the party of e pluribus unum, equality under the law, and not stealing from future generations. That is a much easier sell. “

True but the awful thing is .... WHAT IF OBAMA WINS?!?

He basically will conclude - rightly - that America has signed up for European style socialist welfare statism.

Because that is what he wants and that is what is being sold in his campaign.

Socialized medicine, a VAT, punitively high tax rates for wealth redistribution, the whole nine yards. Coming in a 2nd Obama term.


1,197 posted on 05/04/2012 11:33:48 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: WOSG
Call it when it's over. Some are frantic to call it early. Talk to me when Romney has enough uncontested delegates, or after the convention.

I say uncontested advisedly.

The primary is not over, and it will settle out the way it settles out.

/johnny

1,198 posted on 05/04/2012 11:35:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jeff Head
I am talking about the nation changing...congress, the executive, the SCOTUS so that they actually follow the Constitution. Well what you listed above is actually 'government' change rather than 'nation' (people) change as alluded to.

To do that involves we the people electing the right people to office who will do so and keep their oath to do so.

How can that be possible when the very people 'running' don't abide by the rules let alone any oaths. There are none who do more than play the one up game and sidestep every ordinance and limitation designed to make this a fair election....

in fact ,as you know, we just recently had a Candidate, supposedly of the People, 'ignore completely' the rules and requirement of a determined delegate count before claiming the win.....but instead, and 'by self-appointment', declared himself the winner of 'the peoples' Primary... Additionally, went so far as to ignore half the voters of the nations people while doing so.

It was not his to claim...it was the peoples to appoint...he jumped ahead of it all constitutional wise and then some....nobody stopped him...nobody opposed..... So what would you call that?

I call that a fix that's been in for a long time....and so won't this Presidency be.

There is no representation of and by the people!

1,199 posted on 05/04/2012 11:36:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: WOSG
Obama is going to win. The loser GOP go-along-to-get-along crowd is expert at losing national elections by putting forward liberals and using dirty tricks and rule changes and bad-mouthing conservatives.

Get used to it. You are the one supporting them.

/johnny

1,200 posted on 05/04/2012 11:38:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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