Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
And I don't think he can win. The GOP has a poor record when it comes to running moderates and liberals.
For God Gave Us ...A Spirit Not Of Fear But Of Power....2 Timothy 1:7
Well said, and true. I love it! Sincerely. It's a sad smile, though: "Win the fight" -- by electing a politician with a documented record of advancing five major liberal positions that I've always voted Republican to oppose.
See, that doesn't look like a "win," especially when evidence is ample that the polished, slick individual in question has demonstrated pretty progressive tyrannical tendencies and has a camp that is ruthless, arrogant, devious, and holds conservatives in contempt.
That looks like losing, to me.
It looks like losing in order to avoid a confrontation with Obama, a guy most Americans either loath or have come to regret. The reason "rebellion is in the air" is because a tyrannical minority has illegitmately seized power of the majority -- the fracas over voter ID is a small but profound indicator of that. Most Americans loathe Obama; observation tells me that regardless of what image the MSM tries to project, the reality is that most Americans are sick of Obama. We already know that most Republicans reject Romney.
Just some observations.
Any strategy to clear Romney out of the nomination to make way for a limited government conservative, is okay by me.
The other issue on my mind is that of allowing the fifth column to attach the moniker of conservative to Romney. His actions will be purposely misconstrued as conservative as well, even as we know them to be a continuation of socialist statism. If obamacare is upheld in whole or part the resulting catastrophe will also be attached to a four year Romney admin.
I hope I haven’t been sactimonious, but I can’t vote for a pro-abortion, big government, anti-gun liberal like Romney.
And I don’t think he can win. The GOP has a poor record when it comes to running moderates and liberals. No sale.”
You certainly haven’t been sanctimonious to me and I appreciate your position. However, my position on another 4 years of the insinuation of outright Communism into every facet of government and our personal lives by Obama and his minions, feverishly working to implement the “fundamental change” they’ve dreamed of their entire lives, is likewise...”no sale”. And of course Romney can’t win if a sufficient number of people don’t vote for him, but Obama can be denied a final crack at destruction if enough do. What I’ve seen so far (even with a Repub-dominated House) gives me zero encouragement that Zero will be reined in in any meaningful way in the coming term. I never gave a thought to voting for Romney until it became apparent that he’s the only one with a theoretical chance of beating Obama, but I don’t think it’s “chicken little” thinking to be concerned that the effect of the 2008 coup may never be sufficiently undone if it’s allowed to continue for another 4 years. If nothing else, Romney’s not remotely as skilled at (or committed to) destroying the country and implementing Communism as Obama is. I understand that your mileage may vary :)
We are hunting RINO!
It is a target rich environment!
Yawn. If you actually were being honest about Mitt Romney’s positions, you’d actually record them accurately rather than respam the same old biased GIGO.
“If you want to influence the outcome, you choose D or R”
“No, if you want to influence the outcome, then you take the game away from the GOP-E and the rest of the politicos who have gamed it to their advantage.”
Letting Obama win another term doesnt do that.
Instead it lets Obama complete his project to turn USA into a Euro-socialist secularist big government cradle-to-grave welfare state.
The place to move the party is in primaries; the presidential primary is over, there is a chance to impact the GOP-E in other primaries (eg replacing Lugar with Mourdock in indiana).
“As it stands now, “choosing D or R” is not exercising influence. It’s exercising no choice at all. “
The choice is Romney v Obama. If you dont see a difference, you are not paying attention.
That's the contempt of Pro-Romney folks for ya ... letting quite a few of us here, including the site's owner, know loud and clear that you're so stupid you would reject Romney only and purely out of rage, like a little spoiled child, because you are such a dolt. You reject Mitt only because of your "rage," silly little thing.
“Let’s take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!”
I do so agree Jim. Let’s respect the fact that we don’t always have to agree on each and every issue - as long as we do agree on the “basics”.
1. We are a Republic - and saving the Republic, our Constitution and our Bill of Rights is more important than our little petty disagreements.
2. We have people in our government who are hell bent on tearing this country apart .. and I, for one, am hell bent on not allowing that to happen.
3. R-e or not, we do know the R-e are terrified of the Tea Party .. and well they should be. I’ve seen a total resurgence lately, which proves they are not dead at all .. as the left hoped. With this information, we do have leverage we can use to nudge (or shove - as the case may be) the R-e more to the right.
4. Don’t forget your local and state-wide elections .. they can be more important than you think.
“Letting Obama win another term doesnt do that.
Instead it lets Obama complete his project to turn USA into a Euro-socialist secularist big government cradle-to-grave welfare state.”
And he has been primed and trained his entire life to accomplish just that, and he has saturated the government with people of like mind. We underestimate his skill and determination to destroy the country at our peril. The full extent of the inroads he’s already made won’t be fully known for years, if ever. Four more years of these termites wrecking the foundation - and institutionalizing their presence in perpetuity via regulations - may present an unrecoverable situation.
Try going back to some Romney threads during the 07-08 primaries when Romney supporters were an open part of the FReeper mix. The "concerted" part was more concentrated on the conservatives' side, and the "ugly" part was most assuredly dominated by the Romney side. They were cleaned out because they were ugly and shrill and hostile, pretty much as a group -- it was amazing.
This site’s owner and other anti-Romney folk don’t reject Romney out of rage, “like a spoiled little child”. OTHERS DO, and their spew has been evident even though you “haven’t seen it”. Once again, if the shoe doesn’t fit, DON’T WEAR IT. The fact that you repeatedly insist on carrying that banner indicates that perhaps it does.
See, that doesn't look like a "win,".... especially when evidence is ample that the polished, slick individual in question has demonstrated pretty progressive tyrannical tendencies and has a camp that is ruthless, arrogant, devious, and holds conservatives in contempt. That looks like losing, to me.
It looks like losing in order to avoid a confrontation with Obama,..... a guy most Americans either loath or have come to regret. The reason "rebellion is in the air" is because a tyrannical minority has illegitmately seized power of the majority.
Most Americans loathe Obama; observation tells me that regardless of what image the MSM tries to project, the reality is that most Americans are sick of Obama. We already know that most Republicans reject Romney
Just some observations"...........
I am well aware of that tendency in both parties.
As I have said before, I do not trust Romney. But I still may end up voting for him. Between now and November, I want to see if he continues to campaign as a conservative or if he reverses course. I will be looking especially at three issues and one decision: abortion; same-sex marriage; Obamacare; and VP choice.
During the primary campaign, Romney has said, more than once, that he is opposed to Roe v. Wade and that he would appoint SC justices like Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas. Romney has said, more than once, that he is opposed to same-sex marriage. Romney has said, more than once, that he is opposed to Obamacare. What remains to be seen is if he will continue to hold these positions during the general election campaign. Likewise with the VP choice. And even if he does continue to run as a conservative, we still don't know if he will govern as one.
But I do know that there is a heckuva better chance that Romney will govern more conservatively as President of the United States, with a relatively conservative Congress, than he did as Governor of the Communistwealth of Massachusetts, with an 85% hard-lib legislature. And it is sbsolutely certain that he will govern more conservatively than Chairman Obamao.
My "line in the sand" on voting for President, VP, Governor, Senator, or Representative has always been on the issue of abortion. I will not vote for anyone who is avowedly pro-abort (e.g., Giuliani). So if Romney were now to come out in favor of abortion, or pick a VP who is pro-abort, then I would be faced with a crisis of conscience. I cannot stomach the thought of Obama getting re-elected, but at the same time I cannot pull the lever for a pro-abort ticket.
But for right now at least, Romney is running as opposed to abortion (and same-sex marriage and Obamacare). If he continues to do so into November, then I will vote for him.
I wish there was a candidate I could have full confidence in, who also has a realistic chance of beating Obama, but there isn't. Right now the best option to me seems to be: elect Romney; elect as many conservatives as possible to the Congress; try to make Romney govern as conservatively as we can; and hope for the best. Obama is not an option.
Believe me, I know all about the dangers of progressivism and of this administration in particular. I don’t know if I can express how sick I am that I can’t vote to get that pencil-necked, flap-eared dictator out,
But for me, the big picture you mentioned is God above country, above everything else. Lord knows I’m far from a perfect Christian. But I’ve been praying about this, and I have a strong conviction that I am not supposed to pull the lever for Romney. Picking him to lead this country would be sharing in his sins. So what do I do? Disregard what God is telling me? I can’t.
And that is exactly the kind of bullcrap I was just talking about.
“And that is exactly the kind of bullcrap I was just talking about.”
I couldn’t agree more. Anyone who’s received guidance from God about who they should vote for is blessed, but it doesn’t make them any more of a Christian or patriot than someone who might have received a different message from their God.
The only one who’s implied such a thing is you. Why would you do that?
“The only one whos implied such a thing is you. Why would you do that?”
I’ve never implied it, I have commented on those who have. If the shoe doesn’t fit you (and based on your prior posts, it doesn’t appear to), then don’t wear it. However, if you want to pretend you haven’t seen posters on both sides of the issue use God to bludgeon others and inflate their own egos, I have nothing further to say to you.
I have no problem with posting the truth about Romney.
Well, you actually do, because you did a neat little twist to avoid answering my question. Again, not one person on this forum who is abstaining from voting because of Mitt has even implied that they’re better Christians than others.
You did, however. Why do that?
You’re in denial and I’m not going to argue with you. Good bye.
Magic, you know what running away from the discussion means, don’t you, LOL?
Not so, no compensation needed. We all know who and what he is. Putting the needs of us all above the wants of a few is the bigger picture. If you chose not to participate that way, thats fair and I can respect that.
No victory is weakened, that's political doubletalk and is meaningless. It may make a bunch of you who cast vote knowing you will lose feel good, but what is that really worth?
“Another act of dishonesty” ... by you, who has mis-stated his record *and* his positions to create the false conclusion that he and Obama would be the same. How come you dont mention the fact that Romney vetoed 844 pieces of legislation out of the Democrat legislature ( with over 700 overridden by the liberal legislature)? He’s never been for gay marriage, and it takes very selective rewriting of history to justify claiming that. and so on.
But arguing with fanatics is pointless, so congrats, you ‘win’ ... Obama thanks you for your service in his re-election bid.
So ... are you saying that if Clinton had won with a 53% majority instead of a pathetic 43% plurality in 1992, that in 1994, the Republican Revolution in Congress would still have happened?
Political doubletalk? Really?
Or paralyzing panic? Fear is, after all, the ONLY argument presented anywhere to vote for statist Romney.
If Obama wins then Romney lost it....that's the game. Romney will determine if he wins this ...it's on his shoulders and the GOPS...win or loose.
Nope, if not for a spoiler Clinton would have likely lost. A
Republican Revolution may have been a matter of course
“are you saying that if Clinton had won with a 53% majority instead of a pathetic 43% plurality in 1992, that in 1994, the Republican Revolution in Congress would still have happened? “
First, Clinton treated his 43% win as a mandate as if he won a majority. Second, Obama did win in 2008 with 53% of the vote ... and in 2010, the Republicans came back with a stunning victory as large as the one in 1994.
In both cases, it was the arrogance and over-reach of the Democrats, passing bills America didnt want, not their margin in the prior election, that doomed them.
The important thing here is that Obama will be unleashed in his second term to do everything he can to cement a ‘legacy’ which will disregard us, the voters, the constitution, etc. Obama’s victory will mean socialized medicine, high spending and high tax rates in USA forever.
No candidate wins or loses on their own, it takes a team effort to get the 60 million votes to win.
How does Team Obama help their guy win since they have a lousy record to run no? Attack Romney.
If Obama wins it will be thanks to the efforts of those on Team Obama who went out and attacked Romney and convinced people not to vote for Romney.
Every vote less that Romney gets is one less vote that Obama needs to win.
Stop using logic you will confuse the zombie yes men. /sarc
>I will take a picture of Obama with me in the voting booth. That might enable me to pull the lever for Romney, my last choice among repubs.
I think this is the ultimate choice we have to make. You may not decide to vote for Romney (thus not canceling someone else’s vote for Obama) BUT PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD VOTE FOR YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICANS. Even if you let Obama win, gridlock the country for 4 years.
I don’t trust Romney either, but if he is all we have I WILL vote for him. NOT VOTING FOR ROMNEY IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA. That is what I WILL NEVER DO!
How are we supposed to know not to go there if you won't tell us what it is?
You have my deepest respect, my brother.
You’re telling Freepers not to go to a “certain site”, but you won’t name the site.
If you don’t want to mention it in the clear, whisper it in a FReepmail.
I find it amusing how people always say this to the people who are, actually, paying the most attention of anyone out there.
Write in Palin for POTUS 2012!
Well, no, I’m not telling anyone not to go; I’m advising of a threat and suggesting they keep it in mind.
I’ll Freepmail you. Most people seem to know it already, and they don’t need free advertising from me.