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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!

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To: advertising guy
this tea party festival in September is expectin 50 to 80 k people

I am so happy to see that there is another major rally in the works. The first one really revved alot of us up in this country and we need this one and more in DC on the mall.(and they clean up so nicely after wards!)

It makes the Dems really nervous!

221 posted on 05/04/2012 8:10:33 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: reaganaut; Abathar
Glad to see this Jim, so will a lot of anti-Obama voters here who have been dealt a crap sandwich this election with our nominees but still see another term of Obama as far worse then any other outcome

I didn't understand his post to say you were pro-Obama. Rather, ABO have been trashed, called less than conservative, RINO, abortion loving and banned etc....

In his truce, he still uses the RINO term they have cast over us. I think an apology is more in order than a truce.

222 posted on 05/04/2012 8:10:38 AM PDT by fml
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To: dirtboy
I can see another scenario. A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party. A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry. And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016, leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration.


We need to let the collapse and the civil war happen on Zero's watch. Hold the line on judicial appointees at the Senate. Hold the line on the budget in the House. Zero is not all-powerful; not yet, anyway.

223 posted on 05/04/2012 8:10:42 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Manic_Episode

What is JR and the rest of the sellouts getting in return for this “truce”


224 posted on 05/04/2012 8:11:04 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: reaganaut

I think the exact opposite is true, getting called on the carpet for admitting to crawling across broken glass to pull the Romney lever if he is our nominee was my point.

The fact we all here dislike Obama is unquestionable, but those of us who realize what a disaster he will be with 4 more years will logically vote to remove him and at least have a CHANCE for sane executive decisions being made.

225 posted on 05/04/2012 8:11:15 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: kevcol; MNlurker

I have no intention of staying home. I’m voting against BOTH Romney and Obama.

226 posted on 05/04/2012 8:11:50 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Zman
“If O’bambi is returned to office, no more complaints; just look in the mirror for the right person to blame.”

The blame (100% of it) goes to those that voted for the stupid bastard in the primaries.

If that fits you, look in your own mirror.

If all you wanted was lots of liberal and moderate votes in Nov you should have nominated Hillary for the GOPe.

If your goal is to get conservative voters, you don't nominate a liberal puke like Mutt Romney!

227 posted on 05/04/2012 8:13:30 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: H.Bowman
Romney I suspect, will be more consistently conservative than W.

I have to disagree. President Romney, IMO, would exploit the divisions in the GOP and form alliances between RINOs and Dems to push his socialist-lite version of government.

Oh, and a big reason why conservatives are hesitant to back Romney is that we saw what happened with the GOP-E being let off the leash during the Bush years. They trashed the GOP brand and seem driven to do the same with Romney.

228 posted on 05/04/2012 8:13:37 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson
I most emphatically agree that our fire power should be directed at the Leftist scum that threatens all we hold dear, and not at acerbating differences among Conservatives.

But I wish that we could get more Conservatives focused on really targeting some of the most common fallacies that run through the whole complex of those in what I call the "Academic/Media complex"--that is, on the sloganized fantasy that was inculcated into the useful idiots who attend & attended Obama rallies, and chanted like zombies for changing our heritage into the nightmare we see being constructed, step by step, today.

We need a better use of tactical intellectual firepower. And Free Republic is a wonderful training ground for perfecting delivery techniques.

What exactly do I mean? Well, here is a brief list of absolutely--demonstrably--false premises that underlie most Leftist thought, which can be easily refuted, yet often go unchallenged:

1. Those who fail have somehow been wronged by those who succeed.

2. Experts planning the allocation of resources, both human & material, can improve on what people planning their own lives, and aware of their own strong & weak points, can achieve with themselves & any other resources that they control.

3. That it is "moral" to solve the immediate problems--real or imagined--of troubled individuals & groups at the expense of the multi-generational principles & concepts that have guided all true Western Progress over the Centuries. (This refers to the debasing of marriage, our family structures, our Constitutional contract & liberties, our currency & the sense of who we are & from whence we came, in the name of Marxist theory on such things as "fairness," "social Justice," "gender equity," etc., etc.)

William Flax

229 posted on 05/04/2012 8:13:58 AM PDT by Ohioan
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I need the ability to donate with a visa debit as that is the only plastic I use.

What's the problem? I have been a monthly donor for a long time using Visa debit.

230 posted on 05/04/2012 8:13:58 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Had folks not voted for Perot in protest of George H. W. Bush’s broken “No new taxes” pledge, Bill Clinton would not have been elected. The current president won’t get a majority let alone a plurality of the vote unless there is a similar protest vote. The circumstances are marginally different but Obama is considerably more of an imminent threat to our survival than Clinton was. It is what it is.

231 posted on 05/04/2012 8:14:41 AM PDT by old school
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To: TexasNative2000
The rule is simple; vote for the more conservative candidate. Always.

I can't find where he says that in the post. He said vote for the Conservative candidates, not the most Conservative candidates. I'm not sure if this clarifies anything.

232 posted on 05/04/2012 8:15:19 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
I don’t care what other members do for Romney, but please do not expect me or any other pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-small government person who declines to support him to join in on the Romney parade.

I assume that opposition to him will not be censored? Or will we be expected to be silent?

The goals of mormonism go far beyond this election. It would be a shame if FR were again used as a proselytizing tool for that anti-Christian sect.

233 posted on 05/04/2012 8:16:04 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: Savage Beast

“Make the full of cake.”


234 posted on 05/04/2012 8:16:14 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Zman; betty boop; Jim Robinson
I agree, Zman and betty and so many more. And I thank JR for this much needed thread and post of healing and truce here on FR.

I have been spending a lot of time thinking and praying about this, and as I have stated, despite his warts, past history, flip-flops, etc. And despite favoring Sarah, Cain, Santorum and then Newt, should he go on and get the committed 1,144 delgates needed to win the GOP nomination, I will vote for Romney in order to defeat Obama. It is, IMHO, absolutely vital for the welfare and future of our nation that we remove Obama.

At the same time, as Jim says, we simply MUST also put in place a House and Senate that will hold Romney to the promises and commitments he is making, should he win. On his own site, those commitments are listed...we should all know and memorize tham and then hold him to them, because for the most part, they of themselves are good statements of intent.

However, given his record and background, we must also at the Federal level, at the States level, and clear down to the counties and towns, put in place people who will absolutely in any area of their influence, hold him to them.

If we do, I believe he will have to keep these commitments which are altogether different than what he did in Mass where the liberal State Legisalture had a hammer lock majority on every decsion and appointment he made.

If we are blessed by God in Heaven and His Son, Jesus Christ through the Holy Ghost, in answer to our prayers, to accomplish these things, I believe we can double down on 2010 here in 2012 and begin the turn around we all so desperately desire and work for...and make no mistake, we are going to have to all work, and work hard to make this possible.

But I believe it is possible and I am glad that FR will now be on the mend as a result of the actions and statements of the owner, Jim Robinson, so we can all take part at whatever level of that our conscience dictates we become involved. In this way we can go forward and uniteldy remain a force for good and agent of constitutional change in our society and nation.

God's speed to us all, and may He hear our prayers and answer them in His mercy to allow us to restore this Republic.


235 posted on 05/04/2012 8:16:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (
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To: Phlap
If you can't vote for Mitt you are faced with a dilemma - vote directly for Barry or vote for Barry by not voting? What to do?

You raise an interesting point. If Zero wasn't an ineligible Communist controlled by George Soros, I might consider voting for him, just so TSHTF on his watch.

But I can't do that, any more than I can vote for Romney.

So, I will vote my conscience--probably Virgil Goode of the Constitution party--and let the rest of the deluded sheeple decide which statist gets into the White House.

236 posted on 05/04/2012 8:17:09 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Cheerio

NRA: Obama poised to ‘stack the court’

byJoel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer

President Obama, if reelected. will “stack the court” with a majority that could circumscribe Second Amendment gun rights to a dramatic degree, the National Rifles Association (NRA) warned today.

“If those three left, he could stack the court with a 6-3 majority rule for the next 30 years,” said Chris Cox, executive director at the NRA’s Insitute for Legislative Action. “If that happens, the Second Amendment will be reduced to a government-granted privilege.”

Cox was referring to the possibility that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (age 79), Justice Stephen Breyer (age 73), and Justice Anthony Kennedy (age 75). Kennedy is often the swing vote in 5-4 decisions.

Ginsburg, as Cox noted today and in the past, has called for “a future, wiser” Supreme Court to overturn recent Second Amendment decisions such as the case that overturned the gun ban in Washington D.C.

237 posted on 05/04/2012 8:17:43 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Jim Robinson

You are the bigger man. Matter of fact, you are da man!

238 posted on 05/04/2012 8:18:12 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: jpsb
There is a big Tea Party Express rally for Paul in Austin this week end. If I thought I could get away with it I post an article about it. But I have seen to many banned for doing stuff like that so I am not going to risk it. It is ok to be a Paul supporter here as long as you don’t make to much noise. I think I got a slight pass since Paul is my congressman, I know he is a little nuts and has some crazy ideas but hey no one is perfect and he is very good on spending.
Excuse me? Am I living in a parallel universe? Is this not the biggest WTF ever?
Just Damn! I goolged it and you are right...

Ron Paul to hold Tea Party Express Rally at the Texas State ...
1 post - 1 author - 4 days ago
I think this is the one Cruz and Rand are going to be at, but I'm not sure.

I know that there is a thousand local chapters of "Tea Parties" all over the county and no real central organization. And I understand this (bleep) is in Austin, Texas - hippie liberal capital of the USA.
But - this is a deal breaker for me. If the Tea Party wishes to associate with ass-clown Ron Paul - then to hell with them.

239 posted on 05/04/2012 8:18:20 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: delapaz

adults recognize that they must work together and at times make compromises.

children whine, cry, and stamp their feet when they don’t get their way.

240 posted on 05/04/2012 8:18:53 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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