Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
There are around a dozen USA Presidential Elections a person can vote in during their entire lifetime. I am not compromising on the few that are left. ProLife, ProFamily, ProBalancedBudget.....I will vote, the rest of the way, the Right Way, Right Wing.
“As I understand it Romney promoters are not wanted. Romney is not conservative. This is a conservative site.”
Well, so much for “the truce”...
.....”get CONSERVATIVES elected ‘to those County Committee seats’.... They are the hidden government and power base of the GOP party.”.....
That’s not true. From what I’ve gathered many were zotted for simply expressing their opinion. Many of them were donors. Many more have left of their own accord and will never come back. Traffic is way down. Donations are way down. If you hit yourself in the face hard and long enough eventually it will hurt.
People need to wake up to reality. Jim is in CA, his vote or non-vote is absolutely meaningless in the wide scope of things as is all the other venomous anti-Romney people here.
It’s a drop in a large bucket. Dust in the wind. Good luck but it’s already too late for a truce.
Our Governor engineered Newt and Santorum off the VA primary ballot and is in bed with Etch-A-Sketch.
This November doubtlessly offers the most abysmal choice America has seen for president in its existence.
Whatever faint hope there may be with the RINO is that this person who shall not be named will prove accessible enough and pliable enough to accede to at least some common sense, and possibly depending on the VP, to set up a lot brighter choice for eight years hence. I hope that if this November sees an Obama loss, what little opportunity there is to influence policy in an ongoing manner will not be wasted by the Tea Party.
I very well understand how some are so disgusted they don’t even want to vote, or want to vote for someone who can’t possibly win. My idea of the most meaningful protest vote — since the votee cannot possibly win, anyhow — would be a write in of Sarah Palin. This rebukes the GOP for what they did in failing to defend her back when it counted.
It sounds downright weird to me that Karl Rove would agitate for Mitt Romney, and having succeeded only then to splash a gloomy electoral prediction upon America about Mitt. Is he a closet Obama booster?
AMEN and AMEN!
Glad you’re finally on the reality bandwagon, climb aboard.
There is a difference between compromise and voting your conscience.
I will not betray my conservative principles or my faith by voting for Romney. That isn’t compromise.
Compromise would be voting for Cain, Newt or Santorum, who I may not agree with on all things but are not pro-Abortion, pro Gun Control, pro socialism. Romney is.
Throwing in my support to Jim Rob, too...
it’s not “succumbing to greater forces”, it’s staying focused on the prime objective - getting rid of O’bummer and his band of merry socialists and taking BACK our country from these America-haters...
This is the “grown-up” response to disappointment - thanks, JR...
but it doesn’t mean we don’t hold the wobblers’ feet to the fire.
Think about this: what could possibly stop Romney and give us an open convention? The last conservative is out. If everybody who wants NOT-Romney votes for Ron Paul, maybe there's a chance Romney won't get the needed number by Tampa. Not a very big chance, but a chance.
I voted for Gingrich even though he didn't campaign in my state, but the only chance left NOW to stop Romney is Paul. That's strategy not preference.
Personally I have not, so it would be silly. Plus I haven't really seen that. I have read the you either vote to rid us of Obama or you don't...I guess putting it as pro Obama might hurt your feelings, but it is one way to look at it.
Yes to voting for true conservatives in down ticket races.
No to voting for Romney.
Yes to organising to replace the GOP-E and their broken party once and for all.
FR’s Valley Forge moment.
We have those every few years here it seems at FR. ;-]
The price we pay to have a place to say...
‘Get your mitts off our constitution , you heathenous bastards!’
No way of knowing how many cycles of elections to right the boat.. but I agree, no sense in bashing each other over our heads with the oars between elections either.
I see FR mainly as both a educational and informational platform that also has a unique ability to be on top of issues before they ever hit the lamebrain media’s eyeline.. and has helped many avoid the ruts a two party system has left as the main trail, a trail that fails to deliver new hope and real change, rather seems to be a long downhill ride to embedded socialism.. and worse.
To all those who feeeel like they have lost their voice,,
Party On , Learn Up
Do what you must but I am not prepared to vote Romney. I am not covinced it will be a Romney vs Obama matchup in the general.
There is still some distance left on this road and it is sure to be filled with many unforseen and possibly bizzare twists and turns.
Until the end is in sight I reserve judgment on my vote for president. Right now I think it’s more important to focus down ticket and be especially watchful at the polls for voter fraud!
A clear cut, provable case of voter fraud and/or intimidation could throw the entire election into question and ignite a Constitutional crisis such that The Republic has never seen!
WE MUST BE PREPARED!
If we do, I believe he will have to keep these commitments which are altogether different than what he did in Mass where the liberal State Legisalture had a hammer lock majority on every decsion and appointment he made.
Dear Jeff, I wholly agree.
First I was for Perry; then Newt; then Santorum. But it appears that Romney is the last man standing.
Virgil Goode has absolutely zero chance to be elected president. He has zero name recognition. There are only six months to go....
Just because he is a thoroughly good man, and the Constitution Party has the best platform out there (IMHO), doesn't mean that he can possibly be elected president, regardless of what we do in the next six months. (Short of direct divine intervention, of course.)
Romney is very largely being judged on his record as governor of Massachusetts, which is probably the most dysfunctional state in the Union, ideologically speaking. His critics probably forget if they knew it in the first place that in four years in office, he delivered over 200 vetoes of acts of the Massachusetts legislature. I do not recall a single one of them that was not subsequently overridden, thus to become what passes for law here.
The fact is the Office of the Executive in Massachusetts is weak and made deliberately so over time as compared with the governors of other states. The folks who run the political machine in Massachusetts prefer to do all their business through the Legislature and the Courts. A powerful executive only gets in the way; and so the long-term trend here has been to weaken the powers of the governor.
Case in point: the governor of Massachusetts cannot select judicial nominees, or make appointments to our Supreme Judicial Court. An unelected Governors Council does this. In short, the governor cannot have his own picks, but may only pick from a slate of candidates prepared for him by an unelected body.
To even be elected as a Republican in Massachusetts requires a good deal of temporizing. We see the same phenomenon with Senator Scott Brown, who faces the thorough-going Progressivist ideologue Elizabeth Warren on November 6th. Yet another choice of the lesser of two evils I suppose....
My home state is so gloriously beautiful yet SOOOOOOO politically corrupt. So much so that Romney really didnt ever have a chance to set matters aright. No one man could do that in four years anyway, it seems to me the ideological rot goes so very, very deep here.
Thank you so very much for your well-reasoned, valuable insights, Jeff!
Perhaps, but I am a female No Romney no way’er as are several of my Freeper friends.
I don't believe Ron Paul is as socially liberal as Romney. Candidates (especially at the national level) are not responsible for the shenanigans of their supporters.
Please explain why you consider Ron Paul a POS. He's a believer in the Constitution, has read, understands and supports the Federalist Papers. He is a defender of individual liberty. Can you say all of those things about Romney? And, as an obstetrician, Ron Paul, is PRO-Life. He would never make any deals with PP.
Also, the biggest problem with Romney is that he has no core beliefs. The exact opposite is true with Ron Paul. He has consistently espoused and upheld Constitutional principles the entire time he's been in public service.
So far, Romney is WRONG on just about every issue. In fact, I cannot think of a single issue he is right on.