Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
The supreme irony is that if Perot hadn't gone nutso in July 1992 and then dropped out, only to get back in mid-October, he most likely would have won in Nov. He had a solid lead in the mid-40s% range in most polling across May and June of 1992, which is more than enough to net you the needed EVs in a three-way race.
Please give some consideration to Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party.
Virgil Goode will do in Virginia for the Republicans what Ralph Nader did in Florida for the Democrats.
Virgil Goode won't get more than a fraction of a percent of the vote nationwide. However, in his home state of Virginia where he served as a congressman and has name recognition, he could pull 5%. A five point handicap to Romney in this alternating red/blue state will be devastating. If the Republicans lose Virginia, Obama will be President for four more years.
Think about it.
I may see that elusive unicorn but won’t be winning any lotteries. Last lottery I entered and won was the Draft.
Nice to have hope about Palin, though; isn’t it? One of my more pleasant thoughts.
OMG!! What part of his background did you overlook that you so easily believe his known lying tongue and flip flop ways - it permeates his background!
Correction: Had George H. W. Bushs not broken his No new taxes pledge, Bill Clinton would not have been elected.
>>Our last Civil War didn’t prevent national elections; this one will because of the utter chaos in the Democrat-controlled cities will prevent it.<<
There won’t be any weapons in the cities? Just who is going to be protecting these Democrats/communists?
I plan to. That's why I'm voting for Virgil Goode.
Oh wait, you meant I could only vote for the more conservative candidate from among the narrowly circumscribed set of candidates that you would like to restrict me to.
Even then, it's hard to tell from between Obama and Romney which is the "more conservative."
There is less incentive for a presumptive President Romney to care about that after being elected, though he ought to care about it at least for the sake of getting re-elected.
Anyhow, part of the Tea Party’s weakness is the lack of a nationally heard voice. Maybe there ought to be a Tea Party Network, if enough dollars can be drummed up to found one.
At the least, I’d urge protest voters to write in Sarah Palin.
If you haven’t seen it then you haven’t been paying attention.
That’s a great post.
We’ve been looking for a George-Washingon-type of President every since Read My Lips Bush. There is at least one potential candidate that fits the bill but has been blocked at every turn from getting in the Republican primary process this go-around.
I am too old to vote out of fear. The election in Nov. is a perfect opportunity to rid ourselves of the GOP-Whig Party. Romney knows he is killing the GOP, I know it and I know he knows I know it and he expects my vote. Think about it yourself.
Look. If you want the zot - keep pushing your FURP agenda. And in the meantime - consider what JR thinks of Paultards.....
By the way, same with Ron Paul. His insane foreign policy would be a threat to us and to our allies. He's not going to do well outside of Iowa anyway. Spam monkeys be damned!
Yes, Ron Paul is a whackjob nutcase Alex Jones truther. All 911 truthers can go straight to hell as far as Im concerned. You too if you push that crap.
Post that nutjob crap here on FR at your own peril. Im hereby giving the mods the greenlight to whack your account if and when you go over the line posting Ron Paul/whackjob truther nuttery.
Jim -- what's your stance toward FReepers like me who would like to actively campaign against him and urge readers/lurkers to consider voting third party in order to reject liberalism at the top of the party, and risk the possibility of Obama's re-election? I think people vastly overestimate Obama's threat to their freedoms, especially in a context of more conservatives elected to Congress and Obama winning a weak plurality (because of conservatives' rejection of liberal Romney) and entering office with a clear majority of Americans opposed to him.
In other words, as long as I keep it civil, is it okay if I campaign against Romney on FR?
The blame falls squarely on the GOP-E and their bashing conservatives (Rove, et al), dirty tricks, and mid-game rule changes.
I would think that Boehner needs to go, as well as the RNC leadership. That would be a good start towards taking back some ground.
I don't think they believe they need to go after conservative votes to win.
First, they know many conservatives will vote for Romney just to avoid a second Obama term.
Second, The current resident of the White House has been such a disaster, it should be a 40+ landslide for any GOP candidate.
Romney is going to win this thing. The only question is how much dirt he's going to kick in conservatives faces after he wins.
“Let’s face it - this thread is about surrender. Plain and simple.”
Perhaps, unless of course, you’re prepared for martyrdom!
“...We’d rather sit back and grouse about how we got gyped again, while huffing and puffing about how next time, we’re really gonna get ‘em. ...”
Nothing will change unless Conservatives actually MOVE into leadership positions at all levels - township, county, state, etc., - where public policy can actually be influenced. IOW, where we can actually DO something according to principles.
If we sit at home and don’t run for office, how do we change anything? If want to change the GOP, WE have to BE the GOP.
Like scumbag ALinsky said (and he was right): YOU be the Delegate...or the township supervisor...or the county tax collector...etc.
That’s how they did it. The OWSholes and other street mimes are just sideshow and distraction. They aren’t the real threat; the real threat is the nameless, faceless apparatchniki raising your taxes every year, fining you for having your grass too high, or too many cars in your driveway, or sitting on the school board and having radical lefties lecture your children in school on a daily basis.
Only - they AREN’T nameless, and they AREN’T faceless; they’re people that live in your neighborhoods, and they are doing things that directly impact you and your families.
The other side USED THE SYSTEM, gamed it, and got elected.
Seems to me our side needs to do the same thing, challenge them publically, door-to-door, mailbox to mailbox, neighbor to neighbor.
We accomplish ZERO by not being in these positions. The system is what it is. We should learn to use it, and learn fast.
I don’t pretend to have the answers to this, but it seems to me that, even as repulsive as we find Alinsky, the SOB was right, and they pulled it off. What did another commie bastard Ho Chi Minh say - cherish your enemies, they teach you the best lessons?
You can start locally by getting on your own town council, or even run for Sheriff, or deputy, or whatever. Just get in the door by whatever means you can.
We have bright people out here, with incredible political minds...why aren’t we in positions to put it to good use?
You are a true patriot and speak the truth without question.
The GOP and Romney prove the fact that elections are now bought and the candidate who is not “their fair haired child” is deemed an outcast and will be crushed under the continual incoming fire from the “selected one” and his surrogates thanks to the money alone.
We have lost the ability to vote freely and elect the best person for the job simply due to the fact that the one with the most money always wins.
It is time to change this “thuggery” upon the common voter by either voting power or if that fails, actual revolution.
Romney cared about the republic he would have not run for the Presidency.
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All Mitt cares about is power and earning Godhood (which is also about gaining power).
Hey, a fella can dream can’t he?
Feeding the beast by voting for liberals "this last time!" is only going to make it continue. The only way to make it stop is to vote such that liberals LOSE.
I’m with you Boss.
The way I see it, my vote for President is irrelevant so I can safely write in my conscience.
If conservatives were really as worthy as we like to thump our chest and point to ourselves as being, we’d get out and work for a real conservative - six months or no - instead of rolling over and pulling the Rom-knee pads out of the drawer.
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Sorry old friend.
I can not go there. Not only do I have grandkids to worry about, I just found out that I am gonna be a Dad again. (Yay, with as many sarc tags as can work!)
I am 57 years old. Fought in three wars on the dirty end, only one of which was justified by my oath to the Crown - the other two were matters of state and pulling US chestnuts out of the fire.
No one has the right to tell me what to think or do. We talk, dispute and tease each other - that is fine. But I’ll not be told to put up or shut up.
That I cannot accept.
BINGO! And some are hell bent on embracing liberalism/socialism and trying desperately to get others to join with them with fear tactics.
Just let the weak go their way, as for me my roots are firmly planted in Christianity that made this country great. The weak have surface roots that are easily shaken loose like a tooth - the toothless, the faithless.
I also cant support the fiscal liberal that Romney is
His record proves he is just that - the weak listen to his lying tongue.
That's it in a nutshell.
Besides, We need to listen to the people that have already passed judgement relating the Ron Paul. He simply isn't POTUS material, according to voters. Why didn't he run for Senator in your state? My guess is that he had no chance of winning. Personality is important, as well as positions at the national level. Ron seems like a good man, but he's not someone that 1/2 of the voting public nationally can get behind, me included.
It’s a damn inportant issue and far too many conservatives throw away their ENTIRE ballot with a write-in protest vote.
Damn few understand that it will void their whole ballot!
Thanks. I read you post and just want to say it stands out....
On another thread, SaraJohnson has posted a very insightful comment about the Republican Party and their dereliction of duty:
“The truth coming out is a huge threat to both political parties who abbetted the crime through disinformtion and harassment of people trying to uncover their treasonous action.
As Sheriff Joe exposes the scam with documentation, Republicans will be forced deeper into the criminal cover up. This single betrayal of the Republic could be behind their rejection of the power offered to them by the Tea Party. They have to smear the Tea Party as extremist kooks because the Tea Party is the source of political power that will demand the truth on Obama and expose what the criminal Republican leadership has been hiding. They dont want to deal with the consequences of what they have done to the country.”
36 posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 10:37:22 AM by SaraJohnson
Voting in a new class of T.E.A. Party candidates will help ensure Romney stays in line.
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What makes you think that? The Tea Party candidates have all rolled over for Romney as it is.
Pip pip jolly ho!
as a tea party libertarian... yes i consider myself the classic definition of libertarian, not the pussilious isolationists, but the do business with those countries emulating the values of the US constitution and freedom.
we hold our nose and pray romney can win the day and we vote out the gop elites and place in the house and senate those who will stand up for our way of life... the president will follow, he’ll have to... even barack obamma is finding out his despotism is hard to playout as he wishes.
and keep the powder dry, cause they will come for it soon.
That is the majority position. 90%+ of conservatives were going to vote for Romney no matter what this or any other website said. The idea that we should tear down the Republican nominee, lackluster though he may be, is a very fringe position among conservatives. The reaction on this thread alone shows that even amongst a group of otherwise very conservative people, the overwhelming majority were going to vote for the GOP nominee anyway. I am assuming this "truce" means now they can say so, argue their position and advocate voting Republican in the 2012 presidential general election. If true, this should prevent the very vocal minority from stomping all over the true majority opinion here. I am hopeful that we can now get serious and focus on defeating the dog eater in chief.
Of interest....From Demints site you linked.... “Senate Conservative Fund”...posted 3/23
Last week, we asked our members to vote the candidate for Vice President they like most. Members were asked to choose among the 10 most likely VP candidates assembled by the Washington Post. 8,453 votes were cast. Here are the results:
1.Marco Rubio 40.1%
2.Paul Ryan 21.6%
3.Bobby Jindal 10.3%
4.Chris Christie 7.2%
5.Mitch Daniels 5.7%
6.Susana Martinez 5.1%
7.Bob McDonnell 3.7%
8.John Thune 2.5%
9.Tim Pawlenty 2.3%
10.Rob Portman 1.5%
Several members complained about the list assembled by the Washington Post..... They expressed support for several other leaders who not included...... The two most cited omissions were ‘Rick Santorum’ and ‘Allen West’.
We polled our members on this issue because we believe the Vice President could play a critical role next year in determining the balance of power in the U.S. Senate. If the Senate is split, the Vice President could be called upon to cast important tie-breaking votes.
The results should not be interpreted as an endorsement. The Vice President won’t be selected for several months and opinions on this issue could change dramatically.
To quote from his web site:
As an Air Force veteran, Ron Paul believes national defense is the single most important responsibility the Constitution entrusts to the federal government.
In Congress, Ron Paul voted to authorize military force to hunt down Osama bin Laden and authored legislation to specifically target terrorist leaders and bring them to justice.
Today, however, hundreds of thousands of our fighting men and women have been stretched thin all across the globe in over 135 countries often without a clear mission, any sense of what defines victory, or the knowledge of when theyll be permanently reunited with their families.
Acting as the worlds policeman and nation-building weakens our country, puts our troops in harms way, and sends precious resources to other nations in the midst of an historic economic crisis.
Taxpayers are forced to spend billions of dollars each year to protect the borders of other countries, while Washington refuses to deal with our own border security needs.
Congress has been rendered virtually irrelevant in foreign policy decisions and regularly cedes authority to an executive branch that refuses to be held accountable for its actions.
Far from defeating the enemy, our current policies provide incentive for more to take up arms against us.
Thats why, as Commander-in-Chief, Dr. Paul will lead the fight to:
* Make securing our borders the top national security priority.
* Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.
* Guarantee our intelligence communitys efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.
* End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.
* Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.
* Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job and then bring them home.
* Ensure our veterans receive the care, benefits, and honors they have earned when they return.
* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget.
* Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency.
* Stop taking money from the middle class and the poor to give to rich dictators through foreign aid.
As President, Ron Pauls national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected.
And that is what needs to stop.
The Scorpion and the Fox
One day the fox came a river, and prepared to swim across.
A scorpion was standing there and asked the fox to give him a ride to the other side.
The fox refused, saying, "If if I let you on my back you will sting me and I will die."
The scorpion swore he wouldn't do that, because if he did, he too would drown.
Although skeptical, the fox agreed, let the scorpion climb on his back, and began to swim.
In the middle of the stream, suddenly he felt a painful sting on his back!
He cried out to the scorpion, "Why, oh why, did you do that?! Now we are both going to die!"
And the scorpion, as they sank beneath the waves, replied, "It is my nature."
If they see Romney rejected in the General because of his liberalism and in spite of the specter of Obama as a consequence, just WATCH as those Rs "grow a pair" in order to save their own skins. It will have been proven clearly to Republicans in DC that being "moderate" or "liberal" is dangerous for their political health.
On the other hand, if Romney wins, they will have every reason to think it will behoove them to move "to the center," and Democrats will be hailed and praised for being so nobly bi-partisan when supporting Romney in his quest to "fix" ObamaCare to be more like what he continues to maintain is successful RomneyCare in MA; come up with the "right kinds" of cap-and-trade global warming regulation to "save the planet" and "be responsible"; going full-bore to force acceptance of open homosexuality in the military; making sure that we "compassionate" Americans will make abortion available on-demand to "poor" women who otherwise couldn't afford it; and appointing activist liberal judges to "adjust" laws properly for the most control over personal freedoms. THAT IS ROMNEY, and Democrats will look fabulously broad-minded for reaching across the aisle to support his progressive "enlightenment." No matter what you think you'd be voting against, THAT is what you'd be voting FOR.
People have given a lot of thought to what would happen if Obama won, and have done it in a vacuum; now, they should give serious, honest thought to what would happen if Romney wins. The consequences would be, IMO, more dire.
We're doomed! Doomed, I tell ya.
Thanks Yash - you always make me smile!!
But you know what I mean.
We are adults. Supposedly able to make up our own minds, discuss things rationally and to take responsibility for our own actions.
Heck, even the lefties I argue with agree with that, with the proviso of a safety net for the disadvantaged!
I love the site, have many people I consider very good friends here. But I will not be dictated to in matters of belief. Manners, sure, not a problem. Belief, well you best try to persuade me. I hung up my AS50 last year and have zero intention of “just following orders” any more. If that means I must leave, so be it.
Socially he is the same as Obama. And what about his economic policies when he was Gov? Romney is a pathological lair who will say anything to gain power.