Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I don't recall telling anyone to put up or shut up.
I have said, and will continue to say that I cannot and will not vote for the big-government, pro-abortion, anti-gun liberal that is Romney.
Correction : Had George H.W.Bush not tore up his life member NRA card and told the NRA he wanted nothing more to do with them, just before the election, Clowntoon wouldn't have been elected.
No Republican in modern times has ever been elected without the NRA endorsement.
The Romney Way/The Alinsky Way.
It only hurts because I laugh so hard at the weaklings/parrots/clueless mimicking it.
If you have already decided to vote for Romney in the general you are PRO-Romney.
It’s disheartening to see that so many people here either didn’t read or didn’t understand what JimRob said. The moral of the story is NOT to turn off your brain, close your eyes, hold your nose, and vote party-line Republican.
The elites aren’t worth our support. Vote for them and you become part of the problem. I’m going to go over my local races very carefully and make sure that no RINOs get my support.
Ping for later
Wrong....that's the whole point...it Does Matter how he won and that the system is broken.
The GOP's are well organized....they forsee ahead of the curve and plan accordingly....we end up 'reacting', often in shock, when they make their plays.
An example...who would have anticipated Romney would proclaim his win prematurely, and without delegates, yet a word in opposition to that came from none. And why did that happen without protest from any? None of the GOP candidates objected and that is telling.
It's not just the players on the gameboard....it's the plays and what might be expected ....and "Preparedness" to intercept...those willing to forsee these things must be in the camp.
done....and wish it was more.
I commend you for your realism - its the mark of a great leader.
I for one am not too proud. I would vote for the devil or his brother to save this country. And NOT voting IS a vote for the communists.
So I will pull the ‘R’ lever, maybe have to squint a little to hide the whore I’ll see in the mirror, but there is not a single sacrifice I wouldn’t make to preserve the republic for my children.
Now we know the battle is gonna take longer than we anticipated - OK, we didn’t get HERE overnight either. But losing to obama is NOT NOT NOT an option. IF you hate romney, fine, so do I, but I hate obama and the congress thats letting him give away ALL the riches this country has!
All the uproar over the data recorders on cars is probably one of the SMALLEST things to get upset about in S-1813, MAP-21. After you get thru the highway and infrastructure crap, you get to the meat and potatoes, and its along the same lines as capncrap and stimulator bills - it takes EVERYTHING.
Get a grip. We’ve done this before. We can do it again. It’s worth it.
I don't know who you think you are, but you have no power to zot me. 2nd. I'm not pushing an agenda. I'm asking a logical question. And you, are pushing an agenda.
1st. Ron Paul is pro-life. The fact that he believes in the 10th amendment does not mean that he does not believe in the sanctity of life. He's delivered over 4,000 babies, and as far as I could tell has never performed an abortion.
2nd, I do not ask my question, "If you can support Romney, why can't you support Paul," for any other reason than to get people to think outside the box Jim opened with this thread.
Why should we assume that Romney has won the nomination? The two largest voting blocks (delegate-wise) are still open. If every Freeper in California and Texas were to get behind Paul, perhaps we'd have a chance to stop Romney.
And if, Lord forbid, Paul actually got somewhere, he'd be a much better choice than Romney. For one thing, Paul appeals to a much wider electorate. I'm just saying. . .
Sorry mate - I should have linked the boss instead of you. I just got frustrated.
You personally - as I have come to know you - get my sword, my back or my wallet any time. Or a guy sitting half a mile away with an X30 scope, if that is what you need!
You’ll have to give up a couple of recipes though!
Foremost among that excellent enumeration of core Conservative principles is pro-God. It is only through Our Creator that America became the birthplace of Liberty. And it was the wisdom of our Founding Father guaranteed the Freedom of We the People though an armed citizenry.
It is worse than that. There is thread after thread anymore trashing solid Conservatives, in the most vile way, just for supporting Romney. The Bachmann thread a couple days ago comes to mind. She was called a whore and it was left to stand. This has to stop or there will be no limit to the level of destruction going on here.
It is very important that we still watch what Romney says NOW, and point out where he is faltering from his own promises, and work to hold his feet to the fire. By not being openly antagonistic, it may help to get a better VP candidate, but we need to be critical when he makes current statements that are at odds with the conservative principles he’s been claiming to follow.
I do think it would be helpful now if we had fewer daily posts attacking Romney for his past positions — we all know what he did wrong, and it won’t help beat Obama to keep bringing up the past.
I'm behind you 100% on this, JR.
Sadly, that is very true. My first POTUS election was in 1992. In 1996, I was a delegate to the CA state convention. All I have seen is the GOP pushing conservatives to the fringe and more and more just bending over and taking it.
I voted for McCain (held my nose) and that was the last time.
I’m done with the GOP. I will put my money, time and energy to back a party that agrees with my beliefs rather than marginalizes them.
Aw man, I’m puking from looking at those pictures.
I am with you Jim. I can’t vote for a liberal democrat in republican clothing aka Romney. But will do all I can to vote conservatives into office.
Might be because woman have a built in "need" for a sense of security....they "feel" more secure voting for Romney.
Men are moreso Protectors and fighters...in order to provide that security...and with it Risk...
I'm a woman and 'I'm voting against them both'.
He didn't run for senator in my state because I live in Missouri. : )
Don't forget the majority of people who voted in the 2008 election gave us BO.
If we can support Romney, why can't we support Paul - especially in upcoming primaries where giving him more delegates has the possibility of stopping Romney at the convention?
“If conservatives were really as worthy as we like to thump our chest and point to ourselves as being...”
There’s no shortage of that.
I am going to do what it takes to fire 0 -- and that means at this point voting for Mitt.
I respect your decision though.
“If you have already decided to vote for Romney in the general you are PRO-Romney.”
The supreme irony of these pro-Romney “conservatives” is that they don’t realize they’re using the same broken logic as the “pro-choice” movement to justify an insane position: they claim that they’re not actually in favor of the action, but they support it anyway.
Get poise and stop trying to ruin the truce!
Just being blunt about it, Reaganaut, we don’t despise abortion as much as the abolitionists of their era despised slavery.
We accept a 2 week or a 12 week old pre-born being sliced and diced, or we accept a bastard pre-born from some faulty union being sliced and diced, but we don’t really rail against it. In fact, we vote for it, apparently.
The abolitionists would have been better, I suppose, to have insisted on 40 hours of free time per week for each slave.
Then they could have rested easy.
The didn’t think of that, so they went all out and formed a new party.
That is my only moral, purposeful choice. To vote for conservatives up and down the ticket is the right thing. Jim is right about that. I’ll do that.
But, I’ll also vote Goode for President, since he is the conservative in the race.
However, that vote truly is cast out of futility if I don’t couple that vote with a real purpose. Somehow that vote must be intended for a greater end. That greater end can only be the intention to build a new vehicle for conservatives that has a real chance to win presidential elections.
I am not into casting symbolic votes. I need a real purpose behind my vote. It must be cast as my opening round in the fight to secure a new political home for my conservative beliefs.
Thank you so very much!
>>>”If they see Romney rejected in the General because of his liberalism and in spite of the specter of Obama as a consequence, just WATCH as those Rs “grow a pair” in order to save their own skins. It will have been proven clearly to Republicans in DC that being “moderate” or “liberal” is dangerous for their political health.
On the other hand, if Romney wins, they will have every reason to think it will behoove them to move “to the center,” and Democrats will be hailed and praised for being so nobly bi-partisan when supporting Romney in his quest to “fix” ObamaCare to be more like what he continues to maintain is successful RomneyCare in MA; come up with the “right kinds” of cap-and-trade global warming regulation to “save the planet” and “be responsible”; going full-bore to force acceptance of open homosexuality in the military; making sure that we “compassionate” Americans will make abortion available on-demand to “poor” women who otherwise couldn’t afford it; and appointing activist liberal judges to “adjust” laws properly for the most control over personal freedoms. THAT IS ROMNEY, and Democrats will look fabulously broad-minded for reaching across the aisle to support his progressive “enlightenment.” No matter what you think you’d be voting against, THAT is what you’d be voting FOR.
People have given a lot of thought to what would happen if Obama won, and have done it in a vacuum; now, they should give serious, honest thought to what would happen if Romney wins. The consequences would be, IMO, more dire.”<<<
Now, is not the time to surrender to the progressives in the GOP.
Romney is NOT going to preserve the republic. You do what you have to.
The country that I grew up in is already destroyed with LBJ's Great Society.
I won't support evil in any form. Liberals are evil. And Romney is a pro-abortion, big-government, anti-gun liberal.
“If you have already decided to vote for Romney in the general you are PRO-Romney.”
If the choice is Obama or Romney, I’ll take my chances with Romney. I will not take my chances with a write-in and be stuck with Obama. Call it what you must; it’s important that you feel special.
If I lived in California, I might well vote for the best conservative candidate on the ballot, since Obama will win no matter what.
Since I live in Virginia, I’m probably going to vote for Romney, because we are sadly a presidential battleground state, even though our republican governor won by double-digits, and we won our state races last year by double-digits (I think a better conservative would have made this state an easy republican win, but that’s water under the bridge).
Paul has already stated he does not want the Presidency, rather he wants to be heard and why he’s been running.
My opinion of Paul increased greatly during the debates. He's still my next-to-last choice though.
BTW, I have very close, true-conservative friends who have come to really like Romney. I sincerely hope they are right and I am wrong.
And I hereby resolve to no longer make fun of Romney.
Read your whole post. You sound like me.
I suggested here, about a week ago, that with Romney as the nominee, our “best case” scenario would be a democrat president being fought, tooth and nail, by a conservative leaning congress controlled by the R’s.
Not that I would ever vote for Obama, but I will also not vote for Romney. If Romney is the nominee, barring something downright apocalyptic being done by Obama, I’ll write someone in.
There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. Both are evil.
I supported Bachmann, Cain, Newt and Santorum. I’m done. If Mitt gets the Nomination (not 100% certain yet), then I will vote against him AND Obama and vote FOR Virgil Goode who is a Conservative.
Where did Paul say he doesn't want the presidency? I know he wants to better control the convention. One doesn't negate the other.
Bump for later
I agree, look the liberals spent 50 years getting to this point, lots of local elections, state houses, AGs and Sec of States. We have to take the same approach.
As for me I concur with the truce, however, I will short my Primary Ballot in NC next week. I will vote local only and Amendement 1 (NO GAY MARRIAGE). If conservatives in NC simple did not vote for a Presidential Candidate Mitts people should take notice of the low percentage and number of short ballots. Amendment 1 will bring every conservative to the booth next week, lets send a message.
Consider it as not voting for Romney, but against 0bama
The Constitution is fine as it stands I'm not for cahnging the Constitution, nor how it functions for our nation. It's the leaders who need changing.. not our documents.
Further united with who?...conservatives yes...but the word "forward" and "united" in your post could be something different for some more than others and under a different banner then what I would see as that.
I am not giving Romney my vote. Quite frankly he would have to kma while doing cartwheels in order to remotedly have a chance of getting my vote. Even then its doubtful. Etither way he can kma.
You are welcome.
“There is thread after thread anymore trashing solid Conservatives, in the most vile way, just for supporting Romney. The Bachmann thread a couple days ago comes to mind. She was called a whore and it was left to stand. This has to stop or there will be no limit to the level of destruction going on here.”
And to compound the lunacy, there’s not a single candidate about whom I’ve EVER seen a consensus here. They all have some foible, quirk, past position, appearance (weight, hair, etc.), or other disqualifier that the self-righteous chest-thumpers attack them for. Who the hell would ever fit the bill? NOT that Romney comes within light years of anyone’s definition of “conservative” (except his own), but NO ONE ever meets the criteria (there’s not even a consensus on the criteria). It’s a shame one of these perfect people don’t run and give the world an opportunity to vote for the perfect candidate.
And if, Lord forbid, Paul actually got somewhere, he’d be a much better choice than Romney. For one thing, Paul appeals to a much wider electorate. I’m just saying. . .
A wider electorate? Hippies and OWS protestors are that influential? Didn’t know that.
So. You think Paul is the best candidate we have? Please educate us on why you think that? Does his pro-dope and pro-prostitution values appeal to your liberal nature?
You seem to be hung up on your misinformed ideas about the 10th amendment. Does that mean - like RoPaul - you support abortion as a states rights issue?
Are you a truther like Paul?
Do you also hate the military and want queers to openly serve?
9/11 was an inside job, huh?
Let me guess... You’re a bigot too. Like Paul who accepts endorsement from fringe racist groups.
You like government pork? Paul sure does.
Look my liberal FRiend, I could go on and on all day knocking down the irrational reasons why you support Paul.
But may I remind you that this is a conservative forum and for you to come here with you support for liberal trash is zot-worthy?
The bottom line is 'no votes for baby killers.' You vote for that then you support that.
Ping me if you get a reply to that. I would like to know as well.
B.Hussein Obama fully intends to transform the U.S.A., from its fundamental bases and from there in every way conceivable and likely in some ways none of us might imagine, into a unitary socialist state with our present still somewhat “sovereign” states becoming provinces ruled from a single seat of executive power, headed by a dictator and administered through his personally appointed Czars, responsible solely to him. BHO has already clearly demonstrated this mode of governance, with virtually no expressions of opposition or concern from the Congress.
But for all his faults and deficiencies, I do not believe that Romney intends or would permit such a radical demolishing of America.
Seriously - IBTZ?
Make it a double if it happens. Otherwise grow the EFF up!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
Dittos MHGinTN and thank you Jim for allowing us ABO voters to have a voice once again on FR.
Thanks for this, Jim. Ours will be a very long fight, and the upcoming election is but a start.