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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!

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KEYWORDS: 2012; adminlectureseries; bachmann; cain; elections; freepathon; freerepublic; freerepublichistory; gingrich; gop; gope; jimrobinson; newt; obama; perry; prayer; romney; santorum; teaparty; truce
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To: jpsb

Paul has already stated he does not want the Presidency, rather he wants to be heard and why he’s been running.

481 posted on 05/04/2012 10:21:26 AM PDT by caww
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To: MSSC6644
I voted for Newt in my primary, but If he isn't on the ballot I would vote for Paul.

My opinion of Paul increased greatly during the debates. He's still my next-to-last choice though.

BTW, I have very close, true-conservative friends who have come to really like Romney. I sincerely hope they are right and I am wrong.

And I hereby resolve to no longer make fun of Romney.

482 posted on 05/04/2012 10:23:13 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Oh, the irony)
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To: Finny

Read your whole post. You sound like me.

I suggested here, about a week ago, that with Romney as the nominee, our “best case” scenario would be a democrat president being fought, tooth and nail, by a conservative leaning congress controlled by the R’s.

Not that I would ever vote for Obama, but I will also not vote for Romney. If Romney is the nominee, barring something downright apocalyptic being done by Obama, I’ll write someone in.

483 posted on 05/04/2012 10:24:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: CanuckYank

There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. Both are evil.

I supported Bachmann, Cain, Newt and Santorum. I’m done. If Mitt gets the Nomination (not 100% certain yet), then I will vote against him AND Obama and vote FOR Virgil Goode who is a Conservative.

484 posted on 05/04/2012 10:24:46 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: caww; Jim Robinson
Paul has already stated he does not want the Presidency

Where did Paul say he doesn't want the presidency? I know he wants to better control the convention. One doesn't negate the other.

485 posted on 05/04/2012 10:26:06 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bump for later

486 posted on 05/04/2012 10:28:24 AM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: chopperman

I agree, look the liberals spent 50 years getting to this point, lots of local elections, state houses, AGs and Sec of States. We have to take the same approach.
As for me I concur with the truce, however, I will short my Primary Ballot in NC next week. I will vote local only and Amendement 1 (NO GAY MARRIAGE). If conservatives in NC simple did not vote for a Presidential Candidate Mitts people should take notice of the low percentage and number of short ballots. Amendment 1 will bring every conservative to the booth next week, lets send a message.

487 posted on 05/04/2012 10:30:01 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: MNlurker

Consider it as not voting for Romney, but against 0bama

488 posted on 05/04/2012 10:30:12 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: Jeff Head
..."we can go forward and uniteldy remain a force for good and agent of constitutional change in our society and nation".....

The Constitution is fine as it stands I'm not for cahnging the Constitution, nor how it functions for our nation. It's the leaders who need changing.. not our documents.

Further united with who?...conservatives yes...but the word "forward" and "united" in your post could be something different for some more than others and under a different banner then what I would see as that.

489 posted on 05/04/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

I am not giving Romney my vote. Quite frankly he would have to kma while doing cartwheels in order to remotedly have a chance of getting my vote. Even then its doubtful. Etither way he can kma.

490 posted on 05/04/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Mozilla

You are welcome.

491 posted on 05/04/2012 10:33:10 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“There is thread after thread anymore trashing solid Conservatives, in the most vile way, just for supporting Romney. The Bachmann thread a couple days ago comes to mind. She was called a whore and it was left to stand. This has to stop or there will be no limit to the level of destruction going on here.”

And to compound the lunacy, there’s not a single candidate about whom I’ve EVER seen a consensus here. They all have some foible, quirk, past position, appearance (weight, hair, etc.), or other disqualifier that the self-righteous chest-thumpers attack them for. Who the hell would ever fit the bill? NOT that Romney comes within light years of anyone’s definition of “conservative” (except his own), but NO ONE ever meets the criteria (there’s not even a consensus on the criteria). It’s a shame one of these perfect people don’t run and give the world an opportunity to vote for the perfect candidate.

492 posted on 05/04/2012 10:33:16 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: MSSC6644

And if, Lord forbid, Paul actually got somewhere, he’d be a much better choice than Romney. For one thing, Paul appeals to a much wider electorate. I’m just saying. . .


A wider electorate? Hippies and OWS protestors are that influential? Didn’t know that.

So. You think Paul is the best candidate we have? Please educate us on why you think that? Does his pro-dope and pro-prostitution values appeal to your liberal nature?

You seem to be hung up on your misinformed ideas about the 10th amendment. Does that mean - like RoPaul - you support abortion as a states rights issue?

Are you a truther like Paul?

Do you also hate the military and want queers to openly serve?

9/11 was an inside job, huh?

Let me guess... You’re a bigot too. Like Paul who accepts endorsement from fringe racist groups.

You like government pork? Paul sure does.

Look my liberal FRiend, I could go on and on all day knocking down the irrational reasons why you support Paul.

But may I remind you that this is a conservative forum and for you to come here with you support for liberal trash is zot-worthy?


493 posted on 05/04/2012 10:34:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Finny
Right on the money, Finny. The Henny Pennies crying the sky is falling and the arrogant pseudo-intellectuals who claim greater knowledge are really just giving in. They are building their CYA story so they can claim that they 'did all they could do' regardless of which lying liberal wins. Totally ignoring that no one can stop the freight train of debt hurtling at us and that it sure won't be slowed down by either of these big-government statists.

The bottom line is 'no votes for baby killers.' You vote for that then you support that.

494 posted on 05/04/2012 10:34:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Finny

Ping me if you get a reply to that. I would like to know as well.

495 posted on 05/04/2012 10:34:40 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Jim Robinson

B.Hussein Obama fully intends to transform the U.S.A., from its fundamental bases and from there in every way conceivable and likely in some ways none of us might imagine, into a unitary socialist state with our present still somewhat “sovereign” states becoming provinces ruled from a single seat of executive power, headed by a dictator and administered through his personally appointed Czars, responsible solely to him. BHO has already clearly demonstrated this mode of governance, with virtually no expressions of opposition or concern from the Congress.
But for all his faults and deficiencies, I do not believe that Romney intends or would permit such a radical demolishing of America.

496 posted on 05/04/2012 10:35:36 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Responsibility2nd

Seriously - IBTZ?

Make it a double if it happens. Otherwise grow the EFF up!

497 posted on 05/04/2012 10:35:55 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


498 posted on 05/04/2012 10:36:11 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: MHGinTN; Jim Robinson

Dittos MHGinTN and thank you Jim for allowing us ABO voters to have a voice once again on FR.

499 posted on 05/04/2012 10:36:26 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for this, Jim. Ours will be a very long fight, and the upcoming election is but a start.

500 posted on 05/04/2012 10:36:43 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (- bursting with adequesence -)
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