Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
11 words, Johnny.
I cut and pasted 11 words from her screech.
Tell me which of those words she did not use.
Oh, and I'm a lady (but one who was taught, like all conservative women, how to be rational).
You do as you please! I will stand against the greater evil!
what slime did I throw? I merely stated a truth known to any parent.
I post on TBL. I am a proud newbie there.
Is it now a crime to post on another website?
Sorry, if I have a choice between discussion and following the party line, I will pick discussion every damned time.
As I just said - I ain’t in the army now, and you certainly are not worthy to fill my Top’s shoes. JR I respect immensely, but not even he gets to say where my vote goes/who I support.
I will not vote for a pro-abortion, anti-gun, big government liberal. Not even one with an R by his name.
When was the last time the GOP ran a liberal and won the general election? Romney is toast.
I will not write someone else in. I will vote for Romney, as difficult as that will be. The more people who don’t will give all the more strength to the Democrat vote. Sorry, but I’ll not enter into a 2nd Obama term (hopefully not...) knowing I did nothing to prevent it.
You are wrong there as well! The primary is my one and only chance to send him a REAL message!
In the general I will stand against the greater evil!
Great. I'm relieved that a truce does not include voting for Romney. Pick and choose the conservative holds the most promising for the future. That said those acclaiming 'I am a conservative' sounds like "I am Spartacus'. It has become self-defining.
My own definition is 1] supporting ending Roe v Wade. 2} no long term war actions without a formal Congressional declaration of war. 3} Restore the power of our production capability to make what we import.
thx for the heads up
“I would almost bet that he will pick the anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-queer agenda slob, Chris Christi.”
Chris Christie is pro-life.
Yeah - I mis-aimed. We call it friendly fire in the services, then go for a beer.
While I am here, you need back up, ping me.
“Take your chances, you will regret it.”
Not remotely as much as we’ll all regret it if Obama prevails.
“My view may not be popular, but I will sleep with a clear conscience.”
As will I.
I do love the military!
Interesting. That presumes there isn’t a republican running as an incumbent in 4 years.
I’m voting a straight conservative ticket, just as JimRob said to: “ it’s doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots.”
But since Romney isn’t a conservative, I’ll be writing in Palin. Straight conservative up & down the ticket.
None of us is able to see the future (if one of you thinks you can, please send me the DOW openings and closings for next week - it would help me a lot!) I disagree with your assessment because I believe Obama has shown he is perfectly capable of bypassing the Congress and ignoring the law. An honorable man could be controlled by a more conservative Congress, but Obama is not an honorable man. And even an honorable President would have wide latitude in foreign affairs - that's what the Constitution anticipates.
So, respectfully, I think you underestimate Obama's ability to take away our freedoms. One of us is right ... and if Obama is re-elected, I sure as heck hope it is you!
Obama is a narcissist; he will not be affected by a weak plurality. Even if he doesn't take a majority, he won't care. As he himself has said, after the election he will have "more flexibility". He said that to one of the leaders of Russia, directly, in a public place (although he thought the mics weren't on - supposedly.) How can he make it any clearer that, if re-elected, he will do what he damn well pleases?
To quote Shakespeare's Henry V: "In cases of defence 'tis best to weigh
The enemy more mighty than he seems:"
My experience has conditioned me to assume the worst about Obama, and plan accordingly. And that means defeating him in the 2012 election. (If you all can figure out a way to impeach him before the election, that's fine with me too).
A vote for Romney as the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
I hate these candidates who get in the race just to muddy the waters. They willing are used to bait and switch people who are not aware of the game plays...and to cover the flanks of other candidates....making it difficult for the average voter to determine who is really running the ball and who is just setting up another player to take it for the touchdown.
In this Primary it was evident the GOP was to keep Romney from being criticized, they accomplished that, and ready to take the ball for the touch down........where people got distracted is by those candidates being used by the GOP to run the ball for a time...and the media's cooperation in framing the race accordingly.
Romney certainly didn't win because of who he is...he only had to stay on the sidelines while the party, the Obama press, and his money took each candidate out one by one.
The voter took the bait and ran with it...and we saw that right here on FR.
So the fact is we lost....it's not surrender...it's facing the reality and moving ahead to what we can do to shut them down.
You have said that as long as I have known you!
It’s cool bro. You can’t. Well you can’t. Close the book, end of the tale.
And anyone who thinks fear is involved for you - send em to me.
Please consider not leaving it blank. It is better to put any name in the field than to leave it blank where the potential exists for anyone to put in their choice for you!
Christie's first decision was to select a pro-choice running mate as Lt Gov. She would take over if he leaves.
Then you will re-elect OBamby—
I’m interested in your comments on this thread.
My first impulse is that this is the most important point I have read while lurking on this thread. But on second thought -
Lets say (and pray) that Romney wins in November. The only way a primary challenger has a chance in 2016 is if President Romney crashes and burns on an Obama-itic scale. I doubt that will happen. Maybe the focus for the next four years should be on increasing the conservative presence is the House and Senate. Just because, for one thing and also to encourage Pres. Romney to steer to the right whenever he is inclined to waver.
That is BULL EXCREMENT. By all means, crawl over broke glass to vote straight conservative downticket.
But voting for Obama is as nuts as voting for Romney. There's another alternative. I remember what happened to Clinton when 57% of the vote count was against him, and he won on a 43% plurality. He got his ASS KICKED in the mid-terms. I am voting against liberalism in the General because it is the best way to make my vote, an oar in the water, steer the course such that whichever socialist wins, Obama or Romney, wins on as piss-poor a plurality as possible, with a vote count where well over 57% of votes cast, were cast in opposition. It would be a blow to the political gut, power-wise, for whichever liberal statist gets the White House.
A vote FOR Obama is an exceedingly stupid vote.
That'll send a message.
Voting for people who aren't running is beyond stupid.
Yeah, I know. I saw that thread and it was vile. Notice though that it was pretty much just the same handful of people that have spewed that sort of venom. It really isn't that many members involved, it's just that they felt emboldened because the majority who plan on voting for the Republican nominee (which will be Romney) didn't feel they could fight back without risk of being banned. And really, I'm pretty sure it was just one seriously deranged poster who was responsible for the really incredibly vulgar stuff directed at Bachmann. With the majority now free to speak their minds and support the Republican nominee, I think you'll find that fringe opinion will have a much harder time of dominating the forums.
Good to read this. It’s what I’ve posted on here thru the Operation Chaos primary season. I didn’t see any of the candidates as true Tea Party conservatives. I want to see someone emerge for the next presidential cycle who has been elected because of Tea Party backing and has a record to run on. So the best I was hoping for was getting more TP candidates elected to state and local offices. If Romney wins, those are the people of his own party that he will have to answer to. The fewer GOP-e, the better. Bottom line—NO OBAMA!
It is and it's firm...and yes divide and conquer has and will work as well...we've seen it here. It's was the plan and we should have seen it when they threw out there so many candidates running and further saying the more the merrier....it worked against us. The gop played every one of them....and created confusion for the voter.
So here we are. What a mess!
He never said anything like that. The owner has stated that FR will not be used to campaign for Romney. I think that's very clearcut.
As to the other, posting on an anti-freeper site and posting here is normally called trolling. No one wants to see you get caught up in something nasty.
Not “selling” anything just stating facts! You can face them or not.
Not just a retread, but a dishonest one as well. You know darn well what you were implying with that post.
makes no difference who occupies the White House, it is still stock up time. The only difference it makes is if there is ammo to stock up on. We have a better chance of that with Romney.
I think your “politics of personal destruction” post kinda speaks for itself — or rather, smells. It has the thick scent of Romney.
My dear Jim, this decision of yours to make sure your loyal FReepers are not fractionated will help FR’s economy! I could tell people were rethinking their donations because you didn’t approve of them voting for Romney to stop the communist enemy Obama.
This is a wise decision and I personally feel more welcome here now.
I agree with everything you say about ROmney and the GOPe.
We need to start NOW to develop more than grass roots of a true Constitutional Conservative Tea Party (I don’t care what the name is, but it has to be planked on the principles which unite conservatives).
You have made my day with this post. You understand how we feel. Some of us will be voting Romney just to stop this takeover by enemies of our nation. It’s OK if you can’t stomach it.
Also, to everyone, we did not FAIL with the Tea Party. Real change, that you CAN ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN, takes time. What we want to change is to have a party which runs NOMINEES WE CAN BELIEVE IN. LOL. What the Tea Party did was establish that there is a large number of Americans who do not want Washington statists. The statists just wish to protect their own cushy taxpayer money, lobbying positions, country clubs, and seats on tv poli-chat shows. We want to return to the freedom our Constitution promised.
We had hoped our grassroots movement would have been sufficient to give us good strong conservative candidates that would have left the traditional RINOs in the dust.
It was a very good start, but we had to fight the statist media, especially Faux News, who had our parents in their easy chairs completely fooled that the network was somehow conservative, and this phony network bamboozled enough voters to allow GOPe to win with their Democrat with an R by his name.
We couldn’t get far enough that fast. We have a few miles to go before we sleep. But we need to PUSH NOW for the new party that will allow us to dump the GOP. For they will forever take our votes for granted, knowing we can’t go the other way. It is time for a third party that will knock the GOPe to its knobby knees. We can’t start soon enough for 2016.
I disagree. Being disruptive or spreading FUD is trolling. Posting on a wide variety of discussion sites is normal.
You seem to think this is a republican website. It’s not. It’s a conservative website. That makes you beyond stupid.
I’ll be voting against Obama, voting for a conservative. I’m not going for more of the same.
For for the same reasons they didn't vote for him in all his other runs. Truly he is not a stable minded man...and now certainly beyond the will to be President as he has stated. He simply wants to go out with his voice heard...and said as much to that affect. We already have a President who doesn't want his job....why put another one in office who doesn't.
Further he'd have no chance against Obama at all....Romney's going to have his hands full as well.
I’m not voting for Obama, I am voting against him. I vote conservative. Go ahead and betray your principles if you have any.
You can disagree. But belonging to an anti-freeper site and complaining about FR and then coming here is trolling and no different than trying to be conservative and liberal at the same time.
In some states you have to be careful about write in voting. I was told by a poll worker ( the one handing out ballots ) that if you wrote-in anyone that didn't register in advance as a write-in candidate, it was a spoiled ballot and wouldn't be counted. That protest Donald Duck vote would cause your entire ballot to never be counted. That could void all your down ticket votes. If in doubt of your state law/rules on write-in voting, leave that slot blank. An under vote won't spoil a ballot.
Oh...I missed the “complaining about FR” posts. I did a quick scan but couldn’t find the dirty deeds. Perhaps you could point them out?
That only counts if you vote for someone who is actually running.
You seem to think this is a republican website. Its not. Its a conservative website.
You seem to think this election is fantasy football.
It ain't. It's reality. You have to choose from the menu.
Go to Pizza hut and order the fish. You get NOTHING.
Because fish ain't on the menu.
Best post EVER, Jim!!!! The Tea Party will hold Romney’s feet to the fire and I’m praying he’s smart enough to sustain few major burns.
In my 13 years here, I have made it a practice not to respond to lowlifes.