Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
Probably not. I can't stand his lying liberal ass.
But a vote for him is the only one that hurts Obama. Even a little bit.
It sends a message that does NOT end up in the trash can.
Besides.. maybe Romney's magic underpants are REAL and will help him win.
As Donald Rumsfeld would say, "You go to war with the army you've got - not with the army you wish you had."
The important thing now is, we send Obama and his Communist thugs packing, decisively take over the Senate, and increase our numbers in the House. We need to do this simply to survive and continue the war.
Once we send the main enemies into retreat and reverse the deadly course we find ourselves on, we can concentrate on eliminating the Quisling factions within the GOP and our own ranks and restoring this country to what our Founding Fathers intended it to be - a Constitutional Republic ruled by a sovereign and free people and not by a self-serving fascist oligarchy!
If they felt older, I don’t envy them!!
Last time I changed a diaper was a quarter century ago - not exactly looking forward to it again. Have no idea where green poo comes from, but my Lord does it stink.
Tea Party conservatives
Being a Republican president is the hardest job in the World. Reagan had to cut deals with the Democrat Congress and Bush had to compromise with both. parties to keep the finances for the WOT going. Meanwhile, the entire body of people who are against you never stops attacking.
Most Pizza Hut's have anchovies if you ask for them.
I think just staring at the listing for 0bama/Biden might just be enough for you to endure it. Imaging out country after another 4 years of 0bama makes me nauseous enough to endure almost anything.
Broken-Glass Republican here.
I’m glad we are calling a truce. I hated to see FR torn apart and such low morale.
I’m late to the party and this may have already been suggested:
My hope and dream, and those of many I talk to, is that before the next election we form a huge, powerful conservative coaltion with an extremely well funded super PAC. Before the next mid terms and especially before the next Presidential, we have a plan in place to “pre-vet” and pre select OUR conservative candidate. We have a platform that any potential candidate to our “wing” of the GOP, or new “Country” party, or whatever we call it must pledge, and we have leadership that looks at those who dare call themselves conservative to see what they’ve really stood for. Set a standard for what is acceptable % compliance and then from among the available candidates, vet them and come up with ONE that will run either within the GOP against whoever the GOPe decides to put up for “their” candidate, or on a third party ticket. I think we could take back the GOP but we cant do it with this continual circular firing squad. As someone said, even Reagan might not have gotten the nomination in this climate.
Conservative Candidate selection, DONE BEFORE THE PRIMARY SEASON STARTS!
ONE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE to go up against the GOPe choice!
How do we select them out of the media eye, yet include true conservatives in the selection process? I don’t know — but we better figure it out, or we are going to get even more liberal/socialist candidates every year from now on, if we even survive to another election.
Well, you know.. I've known Jim for a while now and I don't really think he would presume to tell me or anyone else how to vote.
Actually, I think he would be appalled at the notion of doing so.
Jim can certainly persuade and recommend and dictate what HIS site is used for,
but I've never seen him try to tell anyone how to vote. He fought for your FReedom to choose that.
You can take it however you like and more power to you.
Me, I reckon this ain't fantasy football. You can pretend it is all you like.
I didnt leave the Republican Party. The party left me. Ronald Reagan, 2012
So how about the recently banned Romney supporters who long ago recognized the futility of a third party. You going to reinstate them?
That is the most insightful and true thing I have read here all day. Thank you.
Oh dear! Has it been so long that you've forgotten which end to diaper? lol
I will do what I have to to get Obama out of office. I’ll lose my mind and my country if he gets another four years. And I will keep my eye on Sarah Palin for 2016 as the backlash to her may be a little less by then if Obama is out. The woman was born to be president and for four years I’ll continue to urge her to run. In the meantime, it’s a conservative movement from the bottom up. Infiltration and domination.
I’ve already contributed to FR this FReepathon. It’s vital. Thx, JimRob for your wisdom.
It is the way to look at it, an agenda-ized perspective, to compensate for the fact that in voting for Romney, you're voting for a liberal.
A more complete way to look at it is that by casting your vote for someone other than Obama OR Romney in the General, neutral between those two, you are using your vote to weaken either liberal victory.
Some suggested themes for future 'Unity Threads' ...
Abraham Lincoln: Liberator or Tyrant?
Microsoft or Apple?
George W. Bush: Conservative or not?
RINO: the conclusive definition.
Good post. Thanks for posting it.
I do think you are on to something, pegging Responsibility2nd as an Alinskyite. He certainly seems to have those tactics down well. Sad that he uses them so fiercely against any conservative that would dare suggest Ron Paul is a less evil choice than Romney.
The Primary has not come to California yet. When it does on June 5th, it looks like my Republican Candidate choices will be down to only Mitt Romney or Ron Paul.
Electing Romney will seal the deal for the Rino Republican Elite for probably the remainder of my lifetime. Conservative influence over the Republican party will then have been quite effectively neutered.
Still being a voter of the Anybody but Obama and Anybody but Romney persuasion, and no longer having the option of Palin, Cain, Santorum, Bachman or Gingrich, etc. I will grit my teeth and vote for the last non Socialist/Marxist/Fascist/Statist Republican candidate standing, warts, flaws and all. (Not Romney)
This nation’s worst enemies are not Obama or Romney. They are the people that would vote for Socialism/Marxism/Fascism/State-ism over our Constitution.
In my opinion, a great many Romney Primary voters, knowingly or otherwise, fall into this category.
Romney as the presumptive nominee shows that our electorate has yet to learn from the mistake that Obama represents.
In the General, I think it likely that Romney will name a non Natural Born citizen to the VP slot, to provide ongoing cover for Obama. He won’t get my vote then, either, although I can and do understand the temptation to perceive Romney as the lesser evil Compared to Obama. (or as simply a chance to get in a few more years of preparation before the SH** finally Hits The Fans that both of these candidates have steered us towards their entire political careers.)
And no, Responsibility2nd, I too am not and never have been a 911 Truther, Pro-Abortion, Anti Military, Gay Agenda supporting, Drug Legalization supporting Paul-bot.
I AM an Anti-Socialism, Anti-Marxism, Anti-Fascism, Anti-State-ism, Pro Limited Government, Pro US Constitution voter.
Jim declared a truce. Perhaps it’s time to give the Alinsky tactics against those who love the Constitution at least as much as you do, a rest.
I am almost as depressed over Romney being the nominee as I was when Obama was elected. I feel like we are fighting a losing battle. The libs have all the power and seemingly the money. Maybe God has just abandoned the United States now. I don’t have much confidence in the future of America.
“We have to work together. My plan is not to talk to sellout Rombots at all.”
Do you not see something wrong with those two sentences?
You need EVERY vote to do anything and to break off into little factions is political suicide. Russia has a ton of disparate parties. They insure the Communists win everytime.
I think it's time for lunch.
Well said sir. I became a monthly this time around and will try to do more.
I want you to know that the list of Ron Paul positions I posted came verbatim from his web site. They did not deal in specifics, and I believe that your answers are so definitive, that one would have to read all that Dr. Paul has said or written on the various topics in order to respond completely.
Since one of my purposes in bringing up his name was to respond to Jim's initial post, I'm sure taking the time to do all the research needed for a fair answer to your post is beyond my current brain power. So. . .
I'll take it that you don't want to support Ron Paul as opposed to supporting Romney. And I'll consider all your reasons during the next few days. Thanks for your consideration and for all the work you've done here.
“Lesser of Two Evils Fails”
These lesser of two evils arguments fail for at least two important reasons:
First, as an individual voter you have almost no chance of casting the deciding vote in an election.
Second, your vote is a powerful expression of your political will.
Your vote sends a clear signal to present and future office-holders about ‘what you value’ in a candidate:
- principled decision-making or political pragmatism
- consistency or compromise
- moral/ethical behavior or personal charm
It also shows what ‘principles’ are important to you as a voter:
- peace or military adventurism
- liberty or social controls
- property rights or coerced charity
- human equality or socialism
- free markets or government regulation
When you vote for the lesser of two evils ... you send a very weak message to future office holders:
...”that you are a loyal party member”.....
The respectable man, so called,..... has immediately drifted from his position, and despairs of his country, when his country has more reasons to despair of him..... He forthwith adopts one of the candidates...Thus Proving That He Is Himself Available For Any Purposes Of The Demagogue.......
(Thoreaus .....Civil Disobedience”)
You repeat yourself.
Being a Republican president is the hardest job in the World.
Oh, I agree it's not easy. But IMO the uneasy truce between the Rockefeller and Goldwater wings of the party has been trashed over the last two elections - by the GOP-E - after they trashed the GOP brand the last decade with their excesses. And for every critique of the GOP-E that has some merit (such as the problems we saw with O'Donnell in Delaware), you also have competely insane delusions such as the claim that Palin was detrimental towards McCain in 2008 - to the contrary, she was the one decision that gave him a shot to win.
As you said, it's hard to be a Republican. But it's even harder when you spit on the base and then turn around and demand they follow your unpopular squish of a candidate into the breach.
Most Pizza Hut’s have anchovies if you ask for them.
***Yes, even further away from the original notion of a fish restaurant.
Just beware of the Viking Kitties - they love pizza too ... and will do anything to have it ...
Gingrich and Santorum have suspended their campaigns. It was probably a done deal when Santorum suspended. He was the only conservative who had any success in beating Romney.
It's over. Now it's a choice between Obama, Romney and whatever small party candidates get on the presidential ballot in your state.
As for write in votes, they're almost never reported on, and in some elections I've seen them classified as "other" with no public record of who the protest votes went to. If you do a write in you really are throwing away your vote.
Not trying to be a downer here, but we have to be realists about our options.
Let me explain...”We” does not include the later.
Oh dear! Has it been so long that you’ve forgotten which end to diaper? lol
Oh Lord, I wish I forgot which end!!!
It is always the end aimed at you!!!!!!
But ... breaking off into little factions is SO much fun ...
Actually both ends are capable of unwanted gifts. But the smiles and gurgles are worth it. :-)
Deb, what you say about Russia was true once upon a time. Today, United Russia is the party in charge. The Communist Party is now a minority party.
I think it’s time that RINO’s get defeated at all levels.
Oh, heck! That was a dark day in FReeper history.
Some poor fool tried to order pizza for the Mods and numerous drivers got whacked trying to deliver.
Thumbs up to the security at the FR Mod compound, but just damn...
Exactly!....The Republican Party did not want anything to do with Reagan but the people elected him! We will win over them all, damn it! I’m going to fight harder than ever! To hell with the whack left Democratic Party AND the idiots running the Republican Party. We will bury the Rino Republican Party by electing local conservatives first that will overwelm their sorry asses and take the Republican Party control away from their weak hands! Screw ‘em all! Tea Party or nothing!
It ain't over until the fat lady sings. Romney does NOT have enough undisputed delegates to lock up the nomination.
I pray daily for a protracted and bloody floor fight at the convention.
If you vote for Sarah as a write in you risk voiding your whole ballot. Just leave it blank.
They probably especially like anchovy pizza. That’s OK! I always order the extra large even if I think I’m going to dine alone. You never know who will sail in at the last minute! ;^)
“A more complete way to look at it is that by casting your vote for someone other than Obama OR Romney in the General, neutral between those two, you are using your vote to weaken either liberal victory.”
If Obama wins it will be 100% Communist, 100% of the time, with him and his appointees (cabinet posts, czars, judges). The destructive regime won’t be weakened in the slightest by a symbolic protest vote.
I am overly passionate in my hatred and disgust of Ron Paul and anyone who defends him or - like yourself - would vote for him.
All through this thread I’ve explained his role in the campaign has been as a useful idiot for Mitt. Paul’s only objective was to divide and conquer the GOP away from real conservatives like Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Newt and so on.
They (conservatives) now are all gone. Who’s left? Mitt and his stooge RoPaul.
Truce? Jim has called for a truce relative to the ABO crowds. He has not backed off his opposition to “911 Truther, Pro-Abortion, Anti Military, Gay Agenda supporting, Drug Legalization supporting Paul-bots.”
And unless I hear otherwise - I will continue to lay waste to any pukes who defend Rep. Ron Paul.
Yep, writing-in non candidates is an exercise in futility.
It will make you feel good but that’s about it.
Most places, such ballots will go into the trash, and all down-ballot votes will be uncounted.
Is that helpful, do you think?
I’m here for the dooo-ration! Onward ever onward!
Really? Both houses of Congress and the entire population of the country will just suddenly fall into comas and be silent?
Perhaps they shouldn't have had Rove badmouth conservatives, and not played dirty games, or changed rules mid-election.
Eff the GOP. Romney won't win anyway. And I won't vote for that liberal.
You’re not listening to the reasons people are giving you why Ron Paul isn’t supported.
The man doesn’t want the job!... as many Paul supporters you’re in denial.
Further he’s been protecting Romney’s flank from day one. Why would any one consider supporting Paul so he can hand it over to Romney?
Most Pizza Hut’s have anchovies if you ask for them.
That is the most insightful and true thing I have read here all day. Thank you.
Sure they have anchovies, but barely anyone chooses them and they will never be a winner with the public.
All the groups I am involved with are coming to this same conclusion. For some groups, it means a “President-free zone” and a complete focus on local, state and Congressional races. But in all cases, “Nobama” suffices.
I say: Don’t stay home. Skip that “President” box if you must but GO TO THE POLLS on election day for the “down ballot” races!
Ping to 734, since you were there...