Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
It’s not just Obama we’ll be voting against. It’s everyone in the Obama administration, including Holder, Geitner, Clinton and all the czars and every appointed judge to come.
Truce is a GREAT idea. Maybe we can move past the endless “I won’t vote for Romney/Then you’re voting for Obama” threads and talk about something constructive, like saving this country.
“...there’s a chance, however small, that Romney will govern to the right of Obama.”
Ditto. See #810.
Well he has worked really hard and pretty smart for a really long time and he has a lot of smart, wealthy, hard-working core supporters who helped him all along the way.
So there is that.
Politics is the art of the possible. Otto von Bismark said that, and he ended up getting pretty much everything he wanted in time. What that means to me is that practical politics means having to make deals you don't want with people you don't like for only part of what you're after. A lot of idealistic politicians find that out the hard way when first they descend, starry-eyed, into the bowels of government.
I can articulate what I'm after: it's a smaller, less intrusive federal government that lives within its means and makes an honest effort to minimize its load on the electorate. Basic conservatism. I hesitate to use emotionally colored cliches such as ruling class, but there really is something to that term, and its referent spans both formal political parties, and smaller, less intrusive government is not in its interest. And so "part of what you're after" may not be available from either, in which case there isn't really much point in compromise at all.
This business of "vote for A or B will destroy the country" strikes me as little better than crude extortion even if it happens to be the case. Chaps a bit to have to pay the extortionist off, doesn't it? This is not, of course, open sanction for everything the extortionist has in mind, but it will certainly be represented as such by media openly hostile to smaller government, and they too have a stake in larger government because they're now an active part in it. Hence your dissatisfaction. Hence mine.
For me the real danger is from 0bama's decidedly left-wing, decidedly radical academic hangers-on who have been happy to leverage his administration into lasting political power. The hope some seem to hold that under Romney they will all go away is, I am afraid, a bit naive. It is they who promise to cause lasting damage to the country through control of the institutions that he hasn't the slightest desire to rein in. This is a very frustrating time to be a conservative.
No *%#&ing way! Please don't do it, Jim. "The Cloud" is not your FRiend.
Miss her greatly:
if Romney wins, we are guaranteed to have a left winger in the White House for at least 8 more years.
“Me, Im going for more ammo and liquor..”
Common sense and reason live to fight another day.
Miracles do happen.
Clinton was a narcissist. The 43% plurality that he received by those who rejected both him AND HW Bush, made for the Republican Revolution. And Clinton wasn't loathed and despised, which -- regardless of what the MSM tries to deflect and spin -- IS what the majority of Americans feel about about Obama. He is a stinker to most Americans. His narcissim has him convinced of his invincibility. And you're buying it.
Thank you very much, MindBender26!! We will fight on!!
That's as dispassionately accurate an assessment as I've seen. Exactly correct.
Other than that, it's over, in some people's minds.
I was never an Anybody But Obama voter, and swore that I would never vote for Romney.
But I CANNOT and WILL NOT, under any circumstances, let my vote be FOR BHO. So if Romney is the nominee, I will hold my nose and throw up.
I am still hoping and praying that some miracle will come by the Hand of Providence and Romney will somehow NOT be the nominee.
Thank you very much, CatherineofAragon!!
SENIORITY LIST - HOUSE - November 29, 2010
28 Terms: John Dingell, MI
23 Terms: John Conyers Jr., MI
21 Terms: David Obey, WI
20 Terms: Charles B. Rangel, NY and C. W. Bill Young, FL
19 Terms: Fortney Pete Stark, CA and Don Young, AK
For once I have to agree with you, gunner. Doing a write-in is off the table for me in terms of using my vote to its best effect.
Election Day this November will be the one real opportunity for all Americans to privately, and without fear of repercussions, express their like or dislike of Obama.
I think Americans hate the guy more than any President since Carter in 1980, and probably even more than that.
People always talk about how pompous and arrogant and unlikeable Newt Gingrich is. Obama is the same way plus he hates God, America, and white people. Americas hate that about him.
Obama is going to get shelled in November.
Thank you very much, tomkat!!
We are the resistance!!
Thank you very much, ZULU!!
Can you “lease” the website concept you have developed? You keep the patent and rights, but allow it to be “used”..the format is incredibly THE best!!
I have gone to other sites on occasion to check out something or other and they are all awful to slog through!
Roger that, Sir.
I quit posting on campaign threads once I noticed that even people I chat with here were at each others’ throats.
Jim the convention is not until the last week in August. I have still not voted in the primary and neither have you. Anything could happen between now and the end of August and I am not going to sit by and surrender while there is still a snowball's chance in Hell that ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY might still get the nomination. There could be a scandal or Romney could decide not to run or he might pick some left wing liberal as a running mate.
I am not going to give in to any truce until there is no fight left in me. By his own admission the only tie Romney has to the Republican Party is that both Republican and Romney begin with an "R". We need to realize that if Romney gets the nomination and wins, then the first opportunity we will have to actually get a conservative president (one who will pick conservative constitutional judges and actually live by the constitution) will be in 2020.
Sorry Jim, but you and I part company on this one. I will continue the good fight. I WILL NOT SURRENDER!
Did God even enter the primaries?
It's still awfully exciting and wonderful, though! Lucky baby. :^)
That we can agree on. A baby is a blessing. Even if she is somewhat unexpected.
My second wasn't planned, but she now has my power of attorney and is the executrix of my meager estate. And she scored expert in basic training with grenades. What's not to love about babies that grow up to be great people?
Nor will I. We fight on!! But FR and the tea party must survive to continue the fight. Our energies must be directed at the enemy and not at each other. The truce is amongst ourselves.
We are the resistance!!
Miracles do happen.
Too conservative for the GOP. You stepped into that one. ;)
Thank you very much, basil!! Resist tyranny we must!!
“What that means to me is that practical politics means having to make deals you don’t want with people you don’t like for only part of what you’re after.”
I asked a lawyer friend about his grueling and public case on a business thing a couple years ago. “Oh - the media makes it sound worse than it was. But we reached a compromise that worked for both parties. And while it all ended up okay, it felt like such a .... well, a compromise!”
Thank you very much, ETL!!
And which one do you think will be replaced by a staunch Tea Party conservative in their district if they’re term limited out?
Thank you very much, Never on my watch!! God bless!!
What does it matter - federal judges have ruled.
I’m with you. Supporting and voting for Conservative candidates down ballot is all important. It does make a difference. Lugar is losing to Mourdock, the conservative and Elizabeth Warren, Miss Fake Cherokee affirmative action is like dropping out giving Scott Brown a chance to keep the seat.
As I feared, your call for a truce has been misread, and to Romney-ites previously in hiding on FR have started to monopolize threads.
I cannot, and will not bring myself to vote for someone who does not share my values. I cannot be convinced to vote Romney.
I certainly hope this site isn’t going to endorse Romney’s leftist agenda and start attacking/purging those who won’t support them.
It will have to cease being a conservative website to support Romney.
I am going to give Romney ONE chance to earn my vote...
If he picks a REAL conservative as a VP like Rubio or Palin and not another North Eastern RINO like Chris Christie... then MAYBE I might vote for him ... maybe.... but I will be keeping my eyes on Romney ... and if he even LOOKS left, he will lose my vote forever, and the country be damned.
Those two thoughts are delusional.
Thanks Jim, it is good to hear this.
And most importantly ... the data. Having the data in your possession is not the same thing as a contract granting you the right to access the data, no matter how binding the legalese may be.
(I know that you understand that. My statements are for the benefit of others.)