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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: expat2

Seriously, you think making Romney President and head of thr GOP is going to empower conservatives?


901 posted on 05/04/2012 4:08:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Jim Robinson

Accurate and thoughtful. Well done Jim.


902 posted on 05/04/2012 4:09:14 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: MaxFlint
You've stated what I've been thinking. Multiple things about Romney's time in Massachusetts could be opportunism instead of liberalism. For instance, Romneycare got, I believe, many hundreds of millions of dollars from the US government for the Massachusetts government. It's not too unlike the State of Illinois agreeing to high-speed rail to get similar amounts of money, ostensibly to grow its coffers at the expense of every other state.

Unfortunately, we can't really know if he's just an opportunist or a hard-core liberal. And as you describe, that's at least slightly better than Obama.

903 posted on 05/04/2012 4:11:05 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: dirtboy; Deb
As you said, it's hard to be a Republican. But it's even harder when you spit on the base and then turn around and demand they follow your unpopular squish of a candidate into the breach. ...

... and, if you decline, they are arrogantly derisive, scolding you that you're acting like a little child having a temper tantrum, and if you happen to mention that your Christian values make Romney taboo because he's been an active agent in expanding both abortion and the gay agenda, they shriek that you're a hypocrite and a Mormon-hater.

Oh, yeah, for sure though, if they win due to conservatives' votes, they're going to treat conservatives in the party real nice once Romney's in the White House. *rolls eyes*

904 posted on 05/04/2012 4:11:29 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Magic Fingers
If Obama wins it will be 100% Communist, 100% of the time...

If it was that certain and that easy, why hasn't he done it already?

The sky is falling!!!!!!!

905 posted on 05/04/2012 4:16:27 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I will be keeping my eyes on Romney ... and if he even LOOKS left, he will lose my vote forever, and the country be damned.

LOL, sounds like a bad case of "battered conservative" syndrome. Giving ol' Mittsky just ONE more chance, eh? Even after he just flunked on the auto bailout and student loan subsidy issues last week? He hasn't done anything to earn my vote so he won't get it. Neither has Obama of course. I am not voting on the basis of "anybody but Obama." That's fundamentally flawed logic because it would apply if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Achmedinajad, the Ayatollah, or Kim-Jong Il were on the ticket too.

If anything, maybe FR should ban discussions of Romney altogether. Because the only useful thing we can do now is to help elect conservatives in Congress and regional races. This endless discussion of Mitt is not being productive at all. And no matter who wins the presidency, we will NEED a conservative Congress to block them when they go left. With Romney, though, we'll need far more conservatives elected. We realistically couldn't possibly get a big enough majority this year to counteract all the RINOs and cowardly "team players" who will rubber stamp whatever he does. The conservative movement has a better shot of thriving under a second Obama term than a Romney term. Obama would give us a huge win in the next mid-terms while Romney would likely give us a loss of indeterminate proportions.

906 posted on 05/04/2012 4:16:34 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: maddog55

That would be great!! Thank you very much, maddog55!!


907 posted on 05/04/2012 4:18:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: struggle; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


908 posted on 05/04/2012 4:20:49 PM PDT by narses
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To: Jim Robinson; xzins
Our energies must be directed at the enemy and not at each other.

Romney is and always has been the enemy of the Tea Party. He is the Trojan Horse sent by the GOP-E to destroy the Tea Party and all that we stand for. The GOP-E is the enemy.

We, as constitutional conservatives and patriots must either take over the GOP (which is unlikely as they are so deeply entrenched) or the Tea Party must make a clean break from that organization. They are currently a wholly owned subsidiary of the Tarp Recipients and the Crony Corporatists.

Fight on. Certainly we must no not fight the true constitutional conservatives, but we must continue the war against the establishment GOP. They are neither conservatives nor constitutionalists. They are Corporatists and they have purchased whatever power they now wield.

Never give up.

Never Surrender.

909 posted on 05/04/2012 4:21:23 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Finny
The sky is falling!!!!!!!

As far as I'm concerned it fell in the early '60s.

I'm fighting a maquis action. FedGov is out of control.

/johnny

910 posted on 05/04/2012 4:22:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim Robinson

Truce or not, I still refuse to vote for Romney. Period.


911 posted on 05/04/2012 4:22:23 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (He has Risen!!! If you do not know Him, this is the perfect week to seek Him out!!!)
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To: Red Badger

Thank you very much, Red Badger!!


912 posted on 05/04/2012 4:25:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Romney describes moral conservatives as "forces of intolerance," equates "sexual orientation" w race
913 posted on 05/04/2012 4:27:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The most fearsome words in the English language 'I'm from the Romney campaign and I'm here to help!")
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,

I will vote for Romney in the distant hope he is the lesser of two evils. Your editorial is spot on. A house divided against itself cannot stand and we must continue in every way possible vote to for and support true conservative candidates.

I respect your position to not vote for Romney. We CAN still be heard and be a force that helps turn our country around. It may take longer than we want. But this is a war as well, and we need to be in it for the long haul.

God Bless You, sir, for all you do for this Free Republic!

914 posted on 05/04/2012 4:28:00 PM PDT by libsrscum
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To: Lando Lincoln; Jim Robinson

Maybe we disagree and that is okay. But this is not a breathless obituary. I am sure FR is not going anywhere anytime soon. It will continue to exist in some form. However, the wounds are deep and the scars will be permanent in that so many long-time posters are now gone. Posters with sign-up dates of 1998, even 1997, have been culled from the herd. Some have been among the most insightful posters FR ever had and perhaps ever will.

In my view, the most harmful participants are those who gang up and encircle a person, drive them to the ground and then claim they failed the purity test of the moment. All while professing to speak on behalf of the owner.


This nails it. We lost some terrific folks who made this board a much better place. I am very disappointed, but not surprised, that Romney is the presumptive nominee. Most of those who voluntarily left or were banned when everyone was angry felt the same way.

Jim - emotion aside, my wife said I was miserable for weeks when Romney seemed inevitable, you must answer this question to lay down the rules once and for all.

Do you truly believe in your heart that Mitt Romney will be as destructive and dangerous to this nation as Barack Obama?

I believe for many of us that is the question that needs to be answered and I know it will be a difficult question for you to answer.

I am going to go out and work on the garden because I believe my family will need it regardless of who POTUS is. Like someone said earlier, one of two unpalatable choices might give my orchard a little more time to become productive!


915 posted on 05/04/2012 4:29:00 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: volunbeer

I will not give my consent to an abortionist/socialist. Period. Do not ask me to do that. It will not happen!!

We are the resistance!!


916 posted on 05/04/2012 4:32:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Lando Lincoln
In my view, the most harmful participants are those who gang up and encircle a person, drive them to the ground and then claim they failed the purity test of the moment. All while professing to speak on behalf of the owner.

And then what do they do? They send sappy, glittering pictures to one another with expressions of friendship.

Amen Lando - Amen! Reading this thread just makes me mad all over again. Truce? Yeah, right. I hope the bully cliques enjoy their echo chamber.

As long as they are allowed (or tacitly encouraged) to spew their name-calling, insults and judgmental hatred, this site will continue to fade from prominence. It's very sad what has happened here.

917 posted on 05/04/2012 4:32:24 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Bikkuri
And the Pizza Huts HERE have Tuna, mayo, octopus, Corn, Potato, ...

I love anchovies on pizza but the thought of those things as toppings just makes me shudder. And I can eat mayo right out of the jar.

918 posted on 05/04/2012 4:35:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

Thank you very much, JPII Be Not Afraid!!


919 posted on 05/04/2012 4:36:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree with you JR...I would personally gnaw my arm off before voting for Romney...but will vote Senate and House.


920 posted on 05/04/2012 4:36:16 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: freeangel

Thank you very much, freeangel!! God bless.


921 posted on 05/04/2012 4:37:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: Magic Fingers

Sorry, I don’t buy that for a minute.


922 posted on 05/04/2012 4:37:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep. What you described is where I have been for a while. I always expected Romney to get the nominee but did not expect to happen the way it did. If conservatives continue to split the vote and can’t even unify around a Santorum or a Gingrich or get a strong enough candidate that forces such a unification then frankly we don’t deserve the Presidency. So we don’t give up - we regroup and recruit better stronger candidates and replace RINOs with conservatives in Congress. It’s a marathon not a sprint.


923 posted on 05/04/2012 4:39:28 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: CharacterCounts

Well, Obama is doing a great job of being stinky. It would sure help Mitt if he would himself try to refrain from being stinky. However what’s this I see, one of his campaign spokesbeasts (and not the gay one who left recently) has called the Christian Coalition homophobic? That’s the way to charm ‘em, Mitt.


924 posted on 05/04/2012 4:40:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No Mitt for me... let the chips fall where they may.


925 posted on 05/04/2012 4:41:06 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: Magic Fingers; All
I was responding to a comment that such a vote would somehow (unexplained) weaken the liberal agenda.

If Bill Clinton had won with 53% of the vote instead of 43%, do you think he'd have been hit with the Republican Revolution? He was vulnerable because "symbolic protest votes" denied to him AND to Bush made it clear where his political support WAS LACKING, and that 57% of the voters voted against him. When liberals lose, their agenda is weakened; Romney is a liberal that REPUBLCANS would be responsible for electing. If Obama is elected in a race where 66% (best case scenario) of Americans voted AGAINST him, his enemies in his own party will have more pull in opposing him, and his enemies in the other party will, as well. Being a minority in political vote count AFFECTS THE POWER DYNAMICS. Does that explain it to you?

However, I’m happy to have given you an opportunity to hawk your seething Romney rage for the 10,000th time.

The same MO Romney supporters had here four years ago: attributing any rejection of him to shallow things like rage, hatred, anger, bigotry, childishnes -- anything but the truth: Attribute my rejection of him to the fact that he is a demonstrated liberal with a record of advancing the very causes I've been voting Republican all these years to OPPOSE.

You think my motive is rage? I know that my motive is common sense.

926 posted on 05/04/2012 4:42:16 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: plain talk

Sarah Palin appeared to be that shining star — until Democrats made her an offer she couldn’t refuse. She didn’t even dare to put in a bid. We wouldn’t be messing around with Mitt Romney now if she had.


927 posted on 05/04/2012 4:42:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: TigersEye
And I can eat mayo right out of the jar.


Ewww. :p
I hate mayo.. but I have grown a tolerance to it since in Japan.. since they eat it on anything from a pancake to their fries..

(I went the Miracle Whip route..) But, sadly, there IS no Miracle Whip here :p
928 posted on 05/04/2012 4:43:30 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Finny

Nothing to worry about, eh?


929 posted on 05/04/2012 4:45:59 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: APatientMan

For what it is worth, I do not think that is harsh at all.


930 posted on 05/04/2012 4:48:14 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Sarah Palin appeared to be that shining star — until Democrats made her an offer she couldn’t refuse.”

Please excuse my ignorance, but are you referring to McCain and the rest of the Democrats having her run as VP?


931 posted on 05/04/2012 4:50:11 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: CharacterCounts

The fail later argument doesn’t work for me. I’ve considered it. But I have two kids and I’d rather we deal with this crap now, rather than potentially push it off on them.

The analogy I like is that we are on a boat heading to a water fall. Obama is steering to the bring with the throttle wide open, full military power.

Romney would prefer to back off to 90, maybe 95% throttle :-).

I’m with Obama, let’s hit that waterfall in a full blaze of glory and call it our Thelma and Louise moment. (Plus then he gets the blame).

The difference is the Democrats and sheeple will be surprised when we start falling, but we’ll have food and savings and guns, especially guns.


932 posted on 05/04/2012 4:50:33 PM PDT by delapaz
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To: treetopsandroofs

I’m talking about the Palin bid for 2012 that never came to pass. She was hinting about it, but the word on the street was that Democrats promised to savage her family in the media.


933 posted on 05/04/2012 4:51:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Romney is and always has been the enemy of the Tea Party. He is the Trojan Horse sent by the GOP-E to destroy the Tea Party and all that we stand for. The GOP-E is the enemy.”

I could never agree more :/


934 posted on 05/04/2012 4:51:51 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Magic Fingers; All
No, that’s Magic Fingers’ way of responding to the blubber hereon by some who have had a special valve installed so they can blow smoke up their own a$$es, telling all that God smiles especially on them because they’re not going to vote for Romney...and that He frowns on anyone who thinks otherwise.

Readers, observe, where the behavior of Romney supporters speaks volumes about Romney's fundamental contempt for conservatives.

935 posted on 05/04/2012 4:52:13 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Jim Robinson
To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

AMEN!

If O thinks it's hard getting his agenda thru now; just wait!


Romney is a deceived MORMON.

936 posted on 05/04/2012 4:53:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jim Robinson
It's STILL a long way to November the 6th!!!
937 posted on 05/04/2012 4:54:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jim Robinson

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938 posted on 05/04/2012 4:54:52 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Jim Robinson

Screw both parties. The Tea Party may fade away as well but the concept of the individualist will never be beaten. It’s in our DNA and it will eventually prevail.


939 posted on 05/04/2012 5:00:10 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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To: delapaz

Romney by chance may have a few decent ideas (he was no slouch as a businessman) but is he gonna p*ss it all away in libertinism and/or big spending pipe dreams?

Mitt! You’re going to have to try harder than that to be “severely conservative” my friend.


940 posted on 05/04/2012 5:00:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: Wilderness Conservative

The Tea Party should become a party and build up a sufficient profile and presence that will allow it to get a plurality in the face of two stinky mainstream candidates. If America can be brought to care. Much of it doesn’t even seem to care.


941 posted on 05/04/2012 5:03:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: Elsie

Miracles do happen!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=X67qgNtZPdQ

Prayers up!!


942 posted on 05/04/2012 5:03:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: alicewonders

You can vote how you like. But if you try to post pro-Romney propaganda that ignores his real record and pretends he is a real conservative while you bash any article that is pro-life or anti-gay or anti-mandate saying things “You must be for Obama”...

or say things like “A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama” you should be banned.

Those are some of the worst and most hateful insults ever devised. (and logical fallacies to boot)

The idea that we should stop posting pro-conservative articles because of Romney’s record is totally antithetical to the purpose of this site.


943 posted on 05/04/2012 5:04:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Thank you very much, skinkinthegrass!!


944 posted on 05/04/2012 5:04:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: jag.drafting

Thank you very much, jag.drafting!!


945 posted on 05/04/2012 5:06:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: APatientMan

Thank you very much, APatientMan!!


946 posted on 05/04/2012 5:07:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is on!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
she now has my power of attorney and is the executrix of my meager estate. And she scored expert in basic training with grenades. What's not to love about babies that grow up to be great people?

That is so fantastic!! Thanks for raising a Good American!

947 posted on 05/04/2012 5:09:38 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Finny
Readers, observe, where the behavior of Romney supporters speaks volumes about Romney's fundamental contempt for conservatives.

They attack us for refusing to vote for a liberal and then accuse of intolerance and being hateful and whatnot.

948 posted on 05/04/2012 5:09:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Finny

“If it was that certain and that easy, why hasn’t he done it already?”

Rome wasn’t destroyed in a day. With no re-election inhibitions, you really doubt he will be a bolder Communist? You’re dangerously optimistic.


949 posted on 05/04/2012 5:11:14 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Mitt! You’re going to have to try harder than that to be “severely conservative” my friend.

950 posted on 05/04/2012 5:12:02 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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