Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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I am a county Committee man and you are right.
A true Machiavellian would vote Romney for President and vote for Democrats for Senate/Congress.
Very wise and thoughtful, Jim. We are all in this together and must stand as one. We may not all be able to cast a vote for Romney but we can work hard to get Conservatives into local and state offices.
I was interviewed by NPR yesterday concerning the TEA Party, the GOP, and Gov. Romney. I said many of the things I’ve seen here today. It will air on All Things Considered, 3PM, CST, early next week. Conservatives will put Romney in or they won’t. I am all for keeping Obama OUT!!
>What entities do you expect to exist or come into existence, over the next four years, that will have the power to defeat a sitting Republican president?
We always have the power. What’s happening to Lugar and Hatch right now? Keep the pressure on and people informed. The difference now is that we have a alternative media that is vibrant and growing.
So true. I remember voting for Reagan with gusto. Twice. At 20 and 24 years of age.
"But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination... To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle."
We need to get as many Conservative Senators elected this November as possible, and we need to be ready to primary Romney next time around if he wins in November and turns out to be as bad as feared.
Too many Conservatives sat on their hands when Bush went off the rails, fearful of criticizing him because he was a Republican- that can't happen this time. We should make it clear the alternative to a bad Republican president in 2016 is not a Democrat... but a solid Conservative.
I suspect the truce means that, if you decide prior to the morning of November 6 that voting for Romney is prudent, all things considered, that you can stay.
I, too, am glad and pleased by Jim’s words and direction. Mitt Romney was not my choice at all, but......Obama is out to destroy our freedom, liberty, individualism and our magnificent country. Obama must not be re-elected!!! So....this “Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan” conservative is casting his vote for Mitt Romney. Hate to say it, again and again, but......ABO = “ANYBODY BUT OBAMA”. It is my fervent hope and prayer, that Freepers will heed the wise sage advice from the astute, pragmatic, strategic, Mr. Jim Robinson. Thanks, Jim!!!
Please give some consideration to Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party. For 2012, he is the conservative left standing. There is still a plethora of down-ticket races featuring good, conservative Republicans who deserve our support.
As for the Presidential ticket... yes, this round is lost to the GOP-e/Dem axis, BUT.. a strong statement could be made to the GOP-e schlubs the conservative movement has other options.
I agree. All independents, moderates, and conservatives should get behind Romney and beat Obama. Get conservative majorities in congress. Then the real work starts. Hold his feet to the fire, deal with the fallout as best we can, then work toward 2016.
Jim - good post. But unlike you, I will hold my nose and vote for Ronmey this fall if he’s the one with the R beside his name, for one reason, and one reason only. And it goes to one of the points you made about why Romeny is no conservative: appointing liberal judges.
I can live with, and I think the nation can survive with the centrist to somewhat liberal judges that Romney would likely appoint (tho’ I would much rather be pleasently surprised.) I know our nation won’t survive four more years of the Marxist appointments that Obimbo has made.
Keep the House, take the Senate and may the conservatives hold Ronmey’s feet to the fire.
I will be interested in the answer to your question, since I am supporting Paul over Romney in the Texas Primary. But I don’t want to get banned like so many others for saying nice things about Paul on FR.
I will vote for Mitt Romney even though I don't like him, because it takes time for a new president to get sufficiently entrenched in the presidency to do a great deal of damage. Obama and his followers have hurt America, and they will do even more now that they have their plans and people in place. I will vote for Romney to get rid of Obama, then to work to get an American who understands and adheres to the Constitution to replace Romney.
Personally IMO, and FReepers certainly may disagree with me, I firmly believe what we have in the Presidency, Senate, House, and Judicial system is proof positive of the beginning of God's judgment on this nation for turning away from Him. This nation is no longer willing to repent, turn away from its increasingly wicked ways, and restore its faith and obedience in the Almighty Creator that gives us our unalienable rights in the first place.
Over the past couple of months my thinking has evolved on how I plan to vote. Firstly, I plan to vote FOR any candidate I believe exhibits true conservative principles. That part never changes. The part that has changed is where there is no conservative candidate to vote for. When you think about it, most every argument is framed in the context of who one plans to vote FOR. Well, from now on, I don't necessarily vote FOR one candidate over another. For the upcoming election and future elections, I've decided I will vote FOR conservative candidates. Where no such candidates exist, I will be casting my vote AGAINST the loathsome candidate that I absolutely refuse to be led by.
Others may see this as simply wordplay and that I'm still voting for the lesser of two evils. That's their opinion. Only I know the real reason I vote the way I do, and I will choose to vote AGAINST the evil that is currently destroying this nation at an increasing pace. May God have mercy on us in this upcoming election, although as a nation we no longer deserve it.
I think people on this forum should stop telling other people how do vote.
As you know, I am voting for Romney but it is none of my business who anyone else votes for. You can vote for Palin or Goode or Obama or even Hugo or Fidel for all I care.
Just one concern -
Does this mean I can’t call Romney a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey sh!t anymore?
Our focus should be on the house and senate when it comes to the federal government.
The January after every election cycle we need to:
These should be coordinated projects, not just wish lists.
While the presidency is the golden ring of American politics, we need to remember the power of the presidency can be greatly limited IF the congress is willing to fight like hell and do so.
I am heartbroken over the GOPe’s choice of Romney. I will never vote for him and am leaving the GOP (something I never thought I would do) because they have already left me.
I will be voting against BOTH Romney and Obama by voting for Virgil Goode (not perfect but at least conservative).
Keep on fighting, because we lose no matter who becomes POTUS.
JR, I was a Santorum supporter on these pages, dealt and absorbed some stings. Now we’re left with Romney, don’t tell me about a Constitution Party or Ron Paul, vote for Mitt, don’t ask me to volunteer or contribute, hopefully wait his term out, pressure Senators on appointments and the House on taxes and spending.
The mods were at all times during primary season proper and respectful to all; no truce is needed, JR.
That’s why I like it here.
In my opinion, our chances of winning the fight on another day are better if Romney is elected. If Obama is re-elected, there's an excellent chance that another day will come only after a long dark age.
Is it possible that a brokered Republican Convention could deny Romney the nomination and result in the nomination of Gingrich?
A conservative-enough House, and a Republican controlled Senate would limit the damage that Romney could do.
The focus should now be getting Obama out of the White House, obtaining conservative control of House and Senate, and then start looking at upcoming races in 2013 and 2014.
NJ and VA will have their governor and legislative elections in 2013. In 2014, a third of the Senate, all the House, and thirty-six state governorships will be up for grabs. It's not over yet.
Been saying this for quite some time but I will reiterate:
As a Christian, Romney is not my first choice. But by declaring you wont vote for Romney who may not share your religious or philosophical views, you are voting for more Obolshevik. If that is what you want, say so.
But face up to the political reality: elections have consequences.The key is to elect as many true conservatives to Congress, so that the president can be overridden if he makes bad choices.
If Obambi is returned to office, no more complaints; just look in the mirror for the right person to blame.The fact is that any republican president with a conservative Congress will be a vast improvement over this train-wreck poseur that is currently occupying the White House.
My tag line says it all at this point...
And, while the lesser of two evils is still evil, in the long run, strategery says to do what we can, no matter how feeble at this point, to stave off the unthinkable.
BTTT. I wholeheartedly applaud this post. The conservative movement in this country has merely lost one battle (GOP POTUS '12) in a much larger war for the very survival of this great Country. How each conservative chooses to react to this loss in the voting booth in November does not need to be debated here. That vote, based either on principle or strategy/pragmatism, is equally 'conservative' with the objective of winning in the future.
I believe this virtuous and humble example by you will be a huge positive for the future direction of FR and tea party movement. God bless you Jim.
I agree with your statement 100% —we must vote ABO if this nation is to get a tea party candidate next time....
Unfortunately we must vote for Romney, because of rule by regulation and by Executive Order.
Lugar and Hatch are legislators, who should always expect primary opposition.
Presidents are another matter.
Are you running for President in 2016?
“It wolud be nice to have four more years to stock up on ammo then...guns are on the to do list for Barry if he wins.”
Many knowlegable people believe without question Obama will be reelected and sometime late in his next term will gain control of the Supreme Court.
April 30, 2012
Obama: Supreme Court at stake in 2012 election
byJoel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer
President Obama rallied supporters last night by noting that he would likely get to appoint more Supreme Court justices in his second-term, which could have very long-term significance.
“There are going to be some Supreme Court appointments probably if you look actuarially for the next president,” Obama said at a fundraiser with former President Clinton. “There’s so much at stake here.”
He used the court appointments as a way to drive home the historic significance of the 2012 presidential election: “this one matters,” he repeated.
Three current justices — Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (79 years old), Justice Steven Breyer (73 years old), and Justice Anthony Kennedy (75 years old) — are regarded as potentially near retirement.
If Obama wins reelection and those three judges retire by 2016, he’d have the opportunity to appoint a five-justice majority during his two terms (including Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan).
The powers that be have so dumbed down our society and been successful at keeping the masses ignorant, one does not have to be Machiavellian.
People in my own local republican party (many of whom I would consider good people) are just woefully ignorant of history and the plan of the leftists. They really do not see evil for what it is.
Don't think of it as a vote "for" Romney; think of it as a vote that cancels out one vote for Obama.
JimRob's advice about downticket voting is absolutely right.
My only concern is that, even if we were to stack the House and Senate with Tea Party conservatives, given the way Obama prefers to govern illegally, through executive orders and administrative and executive departments which write the regulations that are ensnaring us, without recourse to Congress it may not be enough to stop him from destroying the Republic.
This criminal conspiracy MUST be removed from the Oval Office. This is the most corrupt executive I have ever seen in my life, and perhaps in all American history. I worry the Republic cannot survive four more years of it.
My two-cents' worth, FWIW.
Good thought, but two points. First, the GOPe is unlikely to grow a pair and will sound a lot tougher than they will be, and second and most importantly: Obama is moving heaven and earth to marginalize Congress. He has established some sources of funds no longer subject to Congress (like the funding for the Consumer Financial Protection Agency), money paid back from bailouts, and the Fed purchases of debt; and he is ruling by regulation and decree and a super-majority in Congress would be required to even try and stop him. An Obama win in 2012 will end our present form of government de facto if not de jure. Look to Venezuela on how this can play out.
As always, well said my friend. I'll be here fighting to get our party back.
>>Are you running for President in 2016?
I can’t, I resided in Japan from 2000-2005.
“It’s far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day”
Great message today, but if only we’d could have put the above attitude into practice six months ago . . . :sigh:
At any rate, Jim, would it be possible to ask Freepers from every state to round up a compilation of down ticket conservatives as a voting guide. That would be awesome and helpful.
AMEN and Amen!
And this, FRiend, is why we love and respect you. Well said, JimRob.
And in your post is the kernel of why I do not think there will be elections in 2016.
But I also do not think Obama will finish his term.
I believe that he is one of two things:
1. The amateur that he appears to be to many. In which case he will go down hard.
2. He really IS as smart, and deceitful as many believe. In which case he is probably the beast in Revelation and it will take God’s overt, direct involvement to clean up the mess.
We’ll know soon enough.
Nicely said, BUMP!
It’s time for us like-minded people to stop beating ourselves over the head over the fact that Romney has weaseled his way to the top.
Let’s start concentrating on what we CAN do instead of what we haven’t been able to do.
Good point. It might be 8 years of Romney. And after that, a democrat may well get elected. Hopefully, Romney will respond favorably to conservative pressing during his time in office.
I understand your point, its like keeping the bulls away from the heifers till they are out of season, but I find as I get older its better to just avoid fools.
Just call him a Yankee, it's easier and it encompasses all those things in your diatribe.
I would almost bet that he will pick the anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-queer agenda slob, Chris Christi.
That is what Rove and the GOPe want, and Mutt is too liberal and stupid to do anything else.