Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Santorum was probably the best, but he didn;t have enough money.
Romney is loaded, the Establishment swine who backed him are loaded and they attacked conservatives via PACs while Romney was able to present himself as above personal attacks.
The mainstream media - both liberal and FOX News were i the sack for Romney for different reasons.
Jim is right about fighting for other offices. We can;t take over a party from the top down. We need to run conservatives at the local levels - County Committees, local offices, etc. In this way we can leverage the establishment swine out from within. The lower levels of elected office are also the proving grounds for new fresh conservative candidates.
But our bigger problem, in my mind, is what is going on in the “educational” system. American Children are being taught a revised, biased, false story about western civilization and America. They are leaving schools with no knowledge of what America is, and how we evolved to become the world's first and most successful democratic Republic. And so, they become ready tinder for minds like Obama’s.
I understand how many conservatives can't support Romney. I hate the guy. But I don't want the Marxist Muslim Fraud to have another four years to destroy our country. I could be wrong. Maybe it is better Obama succeeds again rather than have a RINO be elected. But some of us thought that way when that other Turkey McCain, won the primary back in 2008 and that gave us CAp, more corporate buy-outs, Obama Care, a reduced Military, a war on Christianity, and a foreign policy which is anti-American.
I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. But I will work hard to elect real conservatives on the local and Congressional levels.
Here in my state of New Jersey, there is a battle going on between Leonard Lance, a mainstream establishment RINO who bills himself as a “fiscal conservative” yet voted in favor of cap and trade and IGNORED an NRA questionnaire.
He is being challenged by a REAL conservative for that congressional seat, David Larsen
I urge New Jersey conservatives to support him with a vote, money and time.
ALSO, its important to get CONSERVATIVES elected to those County Committee seats. They are the hidden government and power base of the GOP party.
You said: "I'd rather shut the place down than be involved in any effort to install abortionist/gay rights pushing RINOS like Romney or Giuliani into the White House!!"
Does the truce change this stance?
You know you will always have my support, Mr. R. On this issue in particular, I think you are right on......
I’m not sure what the “fight” has been about. The way I see it, we’re screwed in this presidential election. There is simply no choice.
I know some think that not voting for Romney is a tacit vote for obammy—but I don’t see it that way.
I will vote the down ticket, picking as many conservatives as possible. As far as the presidency goes, there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two top candidates. I guess I could vote for Ron Paul-—he looks better when he’s compared to O and R.......
Who knows, we could very well see a second American revolution down the road in other words then.
I despise Romney for everything that he stands for. He is a liberal, a liar, an elitist, and someone who will say and do anything to be president.
I despise Obama more because we have seen the evil that he is and know the evil that he plans to do given another four years.
I was not going to vote for McCain until he put Palin on the ticket. I cannot honestly say that I will be able to vote for Romney.
What I can say is that I want Obama gone with every ounce of my existence. If Obama gets a second term, there will be another civil war in this country. Tensions are high now, just wait until the American patriot is finally pushed to that breaking point.
A President Romney can be held in check with a continuing republican majority in the House and by taking back the Senate.
I'm FULLY on board with that and sincerely hope this brings the purges and putsches to an abrupt end!
Absolutely. We can turn to George Washington and the American Revolution for inspiration. He managed to hold the resistance together through seemingly impossible times to "fight another day" and eventually defeat a powerful enemy.
Thank You, Jim.
Amen to what you said.
The Presidency @ the top of the ballot is NOT the election.
As has been demonstrated repeatedly, it’s the House and Senate and the State Legislatures that matter most in determining the course and future of the country. It matters NOT what the POTUS wants if Congress isn’t going to deliver it. Alternatively, it matters NOT what we think we want if we don’t take care to elect a Congress that WILL deliver.
I want ‘almost’ anybody ‘not Obama’ waving the baton and will figure out how to vote against him when the time comes.
JimR’s point seems to be ‘ ... Well, we can’t have the POTUS we want THIS time but we MUST get rid of the POTUS we have AND pick up every Congressional and State Legislative seat we can get’. Seems an adequate strategy for this and every future election cycle.
‘Eating our own’ because we don’t have the POTUS nominee we want is simply self-defeating.
One Man’s Opinion
"You know this is not a choice between Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan. This is a choice between Mitt Romney and the most radical leftist president in American history."
(I will still be puking as I pull the lever)
Well said Jim. Finances have been tight for my family lately but I finally received back some of the money the IRS seized from me last year, so I am sending in my part today.
God Bless FreeRepublic!
What entities do you expect to exist or come into existence, over the next four years, that will have the power to defeat a sitting Republican president?
Which of these entities will be conservative?
Of course another massive Tea Party Rally in DC in the September/October time frame would help to get that point across.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'
Winston Churchill - June 18, 1940
I find nothing with which to argue in your post. In fact I agree with it but never could see the need for “cutting off one’s nose to spite his face”.
Job one is getting rid of Obozo and his minions. At the same time we need to elect actual CONSERVATIVES whereever and whenever we can!
God bless you for everything you do. You are a true inspiration!
I don’t care what other members do for Romney, but please do not expect me or any other pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-small government person who declines to support him to join in on the Romney parade. I will not vote for him, will not endorse him, will not support him, will not campaign for him and will not run banners for him. And I will reserve the right to support another candidate if a miracle happens at the convention and a real conservative jumps in.
But I don’t want to see the tea party or the conservative movement or FR to be destroyed because of him and Rove.
Like the man said, we have bigger fish to fry.
I don't trust him, either. There is enough in his background to raise real concerns. However, Romney has at least been campaigning largely as a conservative. He has said repeatedly during this campaign that he opposes Obamacare, abortion, and same-sex marriage. And unless he changes his positions on these issues between now and election day, or puts an avowed pro-abort on ticket, I will most likely vote for him.
The alternative is Obama, and I know what to expect from Obama. With Romney, there is at least a chance--especially with a Congress much more conservative than the Massachusetts legislature--that he will govern in a significantly more conservative direction.
conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty. . . .
That is my philosophy too, as it is for all the good conservatives who have been around here for a while. I think we all agree on philosophy; it is on strategy where we have some differences. And this has led to some good, longtime, conservative FReepers getting zotted or being reluctant to express themelves freely.
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
OK, but what does this "truce" mean? What will be different from the last few months? For example, will those longtime FReepers who were banned be able to come back? Will their posting privileges be restored? I'm not talking about obvious DU-type trolls, disruptors. I'm talking about people who got the zot but whose posting history and sign-up date makes it clear they were not trolls. Is there a way of un-zotting them or letting them know they can come back now? I think it would help the morale around here.
Thanks for allowing a frank discussion of these things.
I can see another scenario. A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party. A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry. And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016, leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration.
Every conservative, IMO, needs to make a hard assessment of whether a Romney win in 2012 would be a Pyrrhic victory in the ongoing fight against entrenched socialism in Washington. I can see both arguments. What I can't stand is the simplistic calls of party unity by too many on this site that ignores the basic fact that the GOP-E has openly knifed good conservatives in the back for too long - examples being Palin in 2008 and many Tea Party candidates in 2010. This fight is much bigger than just this election, and IMO President Romney would be a long detour in that fight.
I won't yell at anyone who says they are voting for Romney because he's not as bad as Obama. But I will tell anyone demanding me to follow their lead to KMA. Conservatives are not GOP lemmings any more. The GOP-E has to make the case for Romney and so far they have done the opposite.
Under Romney Massachusetts was no paradise..far from it.I mean how can you have paradise in a state which has a legislature that's 90% Rat? How can you have a paradise in a state where Barney Frank is the "centrist".But I can assure you all that,while no paradise under Romney,Massachusetts was a far better place under him than it is under Coupe Deval.Far,far,far,FAR better.Better by a factor of 10.
Romney will very probably not be a *great* President.He probably won't even be a particularly *good* President.But as was the case in '92 only one of *two* people will be President next January.In 1993 those two individuals were Bush and Billy Bob.Next January it will either be Romney or the current Community Organizer-In-Chief.The last time a third party candidate got a *single* Electoral Vote was 1972.My guess is that more than a few here weren't even *alive* in 1972.
I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils that will be receiving Electoral Votes this December.Not with any joy in my heart,to be sure.The fight for the soul of the Republican Party can go on at any time *except* between the time that a Presidential nominee is determined (which appears to have occurred with *both* parties) and the moment that the last polls close on election day.Any other attitude today,given the breathtaking danger that an unrestrained Osama Obama represents to this nation in a second term,is literally national suicide.
Well Said Jim
Well, I confess there is that. My faith in them is pretty low too, but I think it’s all we got. It’s why lately I tell people to forget about the government. You’re on your own.
I won’t vote straight R but I will vote straight Conservative. Mittens isn’t getting my vote.
I don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell anyway. The fix is in. Way to go, pubs!
Let the head of the snake think it has a chance to live,while we go for the soft underbelly, stay in it for the long haul...wear them out locally with contested races and then go in for the finish! Go TEA party!
Principled stance perhaps, but a wise stance? What is wise about giving Barack Obama the Supreme Court for the next generation or two?
I don't claim any special privilege but I want you to know something about me so that you don't accuse me of being the casual Freeper. I have been with this site since 1998. I carried JimRob up the steps of the Architecture Museum (of course with the assistance of several other Freepers grabbing a part of the chair.) I have given over $4000 to the support of this site. And I fear for the future of my granddaughters who will have to live with the results of a second Obama term, a continuation of the tyranny, a continuation of using the Constitution as toilet paper. I would vote for Dennis Kucinich if I had to in order to stop this Kenyan Communist Bastard from continuing in office. Anybody who can't vote for Romney to save his and my grandchildren and the ones that follow them is too wrapped up in himself to give a damn about this country. If you can't vote for Romney at this point you are more like Bill Ayers who wanted to destroy the country and replace it with something in his own image.
I see three problems with that asssessment. First, in 2008, Romney supporters on FR said Mitt had no choice but to sign Romneycare given the Dems had a veto-proof majority. Yet Romney to this day extolls the wonders of Romneycare, so that claim has not been borne out by Mitt himself. Mitt LIKES his brand of socialism.
And second, the RINOs have a tendency to simply ally themselves with Dems when conservatives won't go along with the worst socialistic excesses, and I see that happening with Romney.
And third, Mitt supported TARP, possibly the worst excess of the Bush Admin. So he's already on the wrong side on that key issue alone.
It is not an easy decision at all, and the history of both Romney and the GOP-E gives conservatives good reason to contemplate long and hard the potential negative consequences of a Romeny presidency.
But we must recognize that we are right back where we were four years ago post McCain and pre Palin.
FR can't be "The Tea Party" but this would be the right time to open, and broadcast, a discussion on what the tea party movement did right, did wrong, and needs to change.
Otherwise 2016 could be truly dismal.
No. I’m not going to support Romney or campaign for him or vote for him or endorse him, I’m just not going to let him destroy FR or the tea party!! We live to fight another day. And that day commences today by supporting every CONSERVATIVE on our ballots.
Unfortunately, we conservatives have already lost this part of the battle (the presidency) and I’m simply recognizing that reality.
I’m voting down ticket.
No chance of a brokered convention, or a Palin bid, as things now stand.
I’m still not EVER voting for that piece of Robama...
I am still going to write in Palin (if the convention doesn’t go through).
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Sadly, in America in 2012, the words "conservative" and "Republican" can be mutally exclusive.
I plan on scrutinizing closely my downticket Republican candidates.
You remind me of a certain United States Senator (circa 1820), who despite massive criticism from his political adversaries of the time and modern activist historians who would misrepresent his correct interpretation of our founding laws, waged a lengthy political battle for Constitutional law, protection of individual rights, and the God given rights and liberties that so many have defended since the founding.
Well spoken, Sir.
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I put my faith in the Lord that Romney is our nominee for a reason.......just as Obama was elected as part of His plan.
Ours is not to question, but to continue to strive for perfection.
Dunkirk - Normandy. Valley Forge - Yorktown. Many battles in between, but the Good Guys never gave up.
I firmly believe that if Obama is reelected(which I believe he will), conservative websites will be targeted for shut down with extreme prejudice.
I believe we should prepare for life after FR.
This is not a slam on Mr Robinson’s fantastic website which many of us try to monetarily support, but the ruthlessness of the left which will most surely bare it’s fangs if/when Obama is reelected.
It might be a good time to start thinking outside the box on how conservatives can stay in contact while continuing the fight.
Very Dark clouds on the horizon..
“The only way to affect a process is to engage in the process.”
Well, this is an ironic comment given your handle and the Battle of the Little Big Horn.
I’m not about to call you a casual Freeper——I’ve only been here posting a few months, LOL!
I said Jim’s post is wise because of his effort to make peace here. We all have to make our own decisions about voting for Romney. Many will do it to get Obama out-—I understand that completely. Dear Lord, how badly I want him out. Some will just be unable to vote for Romney due to religious reasons, or on the basis of principle, and will vote downticket for conservatives. I happen to fall in the latter group. But we knew this would happen if Romney got the nomination.
I’m with you. Support conservatives particularly on the local levels. We just had two conservatives in our township run against the rebublican establishment and get in as party committeemen. That is how you keep it going. It is not the issue to get in a fight with Romneybots but to defeat socialism on every level. First we defeat Obama and then Romney. We are winng at the local and State levels. Do not give up on this.
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The Republic you save may be your own.
Still no vote for Romney here, Jim. I’m accountable to God for my vote and I can’t vote for an abortionist (or any of the other affronts to Christianity we all know Romney supports). I also can’t support the fiscal liberal that Romney is.
However, it’s good that we at least attempt to get along. The name-calling needs to stop. I will vote for the best conservative I can find, at every spot on my ballot. To me, that’s what FR is all about — to advance the conservative movement.
There are great people on this website whom I respect quite a bit. I’m going to differ with them from time to time but adults can do that and still get along. It’s the petty name-callers who need to be on notice.