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To: 3D-JOY
Marco Rubio’s parents were not illegal immigrants.

If you want to try to invent things in the Constitution that are not there clearly spelled out - knock yourself out.

The Constitution as written by the men who wrote it - included only three types of citizenship - at the time of adoption - naturalized and natural born.

The framers obviously didn't worship Vattel like birthers began to late in 2008. The view circa 1790 was that the children of U.S. citizen parents born overseas were natural born citizens of the USA. Vattel thought they had to be diplomats or soldiers to convey that status - our founders disagreed.

91 posted on 05/04/2012 1:32:56 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream; 3D-JOY
Marco Rubio’s parents were not illegal immigrants.
If I may...where in reply 88, the reply you're responding to with your rejoinder, did 3D-JOY even intimate that Rubio's parents were illegal immigrants?

YOU seem to have the reading comprehension problem as is evident.
You're the one reading something into what isn't even mentioned.

92 posted on 05/04/2012 1:40:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream
Well you've answered my question despite your best intentions not to...
...the children of U.S. citizen parents...

It takes two citizen parents to make a natural born citizen.
Thanks.

94 posted on 05/04/2012 1:43:10 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream
The view of 1790 was what was written by Thomas Paine, as I excerpted in post 65.

Paine makes it clear that the Framers intended natural born to be a child of two citizen parents. Anyone else was either a "foreigner" or "half a foreigner."

-PJ

95 posted on 05/04/2012 1:45:11 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: allmendream

I certainly never said the Rubios were illegals...we were discussing categories of citizens.

His parents came...before the Castro revolution and the later laws created for those who had to leave or be persecuted in Cuba.

They may have been in the process of applying for citizenship when he was born...if so it took a long time. They did not receive citizenship for several years, as I remember the facts. Original stories about his candidacy did not tell the truth. They bragged that the family were citizens even when he was conceived. They must have known they had a problem.

I still believe the question is one of allegiance. He is a skilled speaker and fine American...he does have deep roots in the South Florida community. He and I disagree on his positive statements about the UN and definitely we disagree strongly on integration rules that are proposed for the future. Continuing to allow people to not speak the language or become part of the larger American family is a recipe for deep and continuing divisions.

His largest constituency is South Florida. That’s fine and why we have 2 senators. I wonder if it can be said that the entire US would be treated equally. That is what the writers of the Constitution wisely tried to promote.


100 posted on 05/04/2012 2:07:42 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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