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Can Going Without Money Hurt the Economy? One Man's Quest to Be Penniless
Good Morning America ^ | 21 hours ago | ABBY ELLIN

Posted on 05/04/2012 11:34:03 AM PDT by FatherofFive

Not only does he not have debt, a mortgage or rent, he does not earn a salary. Nor does he buy food or clothes, or own any product with a lower case "i" before it. Home is a cave on public land outside Moab, Utah. He scavenges for food from the garbage or off the land (fried grasshoppers, anyone?). He has been known to carve up and boil fresh road kill. He bathes, without soap, in the creek.

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To: FatherofFive

I feel this man is not really “independent.”

I believe that regardless of his “free” lifestyle now, when TSHTF in his life, and he gets sick or infirm, he will wind up on the public dole. Again, that is NOT being independent. Its just being “cheap.”

If he is truly willing to live through all the consequences of his lifestyle, then I applaud him - but I doubt he will.


21 posted on 05/04/2012 12:32:24 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: evets

Nah, that’s a tramp. Hobos are willing to work, they just didn’t like to stay in one place for long.


22 posted on 05/04/2012 12:46:23 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I don’t remember the Romans driving SUVs down the roads either.


23 posted on 05/04/2012 12:47:48 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SatinDoll

You can set up and maintain a website perfectly well with the computer at the public library.


24 posted on 05/04/2012 12:49:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“don’t remember Christ eating roadkill.”

Roman Chariots didn’t go 80 mph.


25 posted on 05/04/2012 12:51:26 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“The Bible says Jesus was a carpenter”

Nope.

It said he was a worker, which was either a mason or a carpenter. Given the lack of wood in the area, and his relative poverty (they sacrifices doves, which was for the poor) he was most likely a mason.


26 posted on 05/04/2012 12:54:41 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Boogieman
They been stealin' them pies!

27 posted on 05/04/2012 12:55:41 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

He must find his way to the Public Library!


28 posted on 05/04/2012 1:00:33 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: SatinDoll; MadelineZapeezda

He uses a public computer w/Internet at the local (?) library.

Seems he does come out of his cave on occasion.


29 posted on 05/04/2012 1:00:56 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: TheBattman

Hence my kudos. He is untaxable and, per his own philosophy, takes from society little more than what happens to fall off the truck. I’m nigh unto jealous (but you’ll get my 3G iPad when you pry it from my cold dead fingers).


30 posted on 05/04/2012 1:04:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: evets

Hobo: Homeless Bohemian. Not so different from today. Except that a lot of people that were driven from respectable society by cruel fortune were called bohemians, which they weren’t.

Bobo: Bourgeois Bohemian. Another one of my favorites.


31 posted on 05/04/2012 1:04:23 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
I don't remember Christ eating roadkill.

How about the guy who baptized Christ?

32 posted on 05/04/2012 1:05:17 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. So vote for Goode.)
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To: FatherofFive

we should be glad that Dan Rather has been successful in finding a new way to live.


33 posted on 05/04/2012 1:11:19 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: FatherofFive

I have to say I identify with this guy some what because I live a frugal lifestyle... about as frugal a lifestyle as a person possibly can without entering a cave.

Actually that’s not true. I do live in a cave...kind of a fiberglass cave. when I saw which way the 2008 election was going, I bought a fixer upper sailboat for about 4.5 k. still some engine work, but getting her ready to go... gotta have options.

Very cheap way to live, if you have a positive attitude and minor handyman skills a big plus. Liveaboard community is very helpful to people starting out as long as they’re cool. if rip offs for a holes come among them they can get a little wild west to cleanse the community so to speak.


34 posted on 05/04/2012 1:12:30 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (Men who stand firm against an army of thousands, run when a tiger appears among them. ~ShirKhan~)
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To: FatherofFive
his idea that money is an illusion," Sundeen said. "The Fed just prints it up, it doesn't mean anything and it's going to lead us down the road to serfdom.

Wealth is different from money. Man by nature possesses the faculty of reason and is a rational being. Wealth is the term for economic goods that function to satisfy natural needs and acquired desires of people who desire to live the life proper to a rational being. The needs and desires for wealth are limitless.For those who practice asceticism, which claims to find value in self-denial for its own sake, there is nothing to say except that wealth is the means to better health and longer life, as well as to greater enjoyment of life. Thus, the value of wealth is logically implied in the very concept of human values which presupposes the existence of living human beings who value their lives.

In a modern division of labor society, money is necessary as an efficient means of indirect exchange. And money enables the division of labor to radically intensify-to the point where each individual finds it to his interest to produce or help to produce just one or at most a very few things, for which he is paid money, which he in turn uses to buy from others virtually all that he himself consumes.

35 posted on 05/04/2012 1:12:36 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: FatherofFive

If all 7 billion people on the planet became this type of scavenger we’d need about 500 more Earth-type planets to sustain them all.


36 posted on 05/04/2012 1:20:19 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: FatherofFive

His vices would have to be at an all time low:
No cigarettes
No drugs
No alcohol
No chew tabacco
No coke
No DEODORANT - phew!


37 posted on 05/04/2012 1:24:19 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: ichabod1; Boogieman
Ha ha. This is getting complicated:
Hobos will work, tramps might work, bums don't work...

Freddie the Freeloader... clown?
38 posted on 05/04/2012 1:24:22 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: FatherofFive

Maybe not exactly the lifestyle of the guy in the article, but he sure brought this song to MY mind!

King of the Road:

Trailers for sale or rent
Rooms to let...fifty cents.
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain’t got no cigarettes
Ah, but..two hours of pushin’ broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I’m a man of means by no means
King of the road.

Third boxcar, midnight train
Destination...Bangor, Maine.
Old worn out suits and shoes,
I don’t pay no union dues,
I smoke old stogies I have found
Short, but not too big around
I’m a man of means by no means
King of the road.

I know every engineer on every train
All of their children, and all of their names
And every handout in every town
And every lock that ain’t locked
When no one’s around.

I sing,
Trailers for sale or rent
Rooms to let, fifty cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain’t got no cigarettes
Ah, but, two hours of pushin’ broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I’m a man of means by no means
King of the road.


39 posted on 05/04/2012 1:25:07 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: SatinDoll

I heard about this guy. He is a dumpster diver, lives in a cave, and uses the computers at a public library to publish a blog about his unusual money-free existence. This kind of existence is pretty hard on one’s body and it will likely shorten his life somewhat.


40 posted on 05/04/2012 1:30:46 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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