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Posted on 05/04/2012 3:07:15 PM PDT by Libloather
RNC might block entire Nevada delegation over Ron Paul delegate mischief
By Justin Sink - 05/03/12 08:53 AM ET
The Republican National Committee is warning the Nevada GOP that if supporters of Ron Paul are allowed to take too many slots for the national convention, the party may opt against seating the state's entire delegation.
"I believe it is highly likely that any committee with jurisdiction over the matter would find improper any change to the election, selection, allocation, or binding of delegates, thus jeopardizing the seating of Nevadas entire delegation to the National Convention," said John R. Phillippe Jr., the chief counsel for the RNC, in a letter obtained by the Las Vegas Sun.
The RNC is concerned that the Paul campaign will game the state-level convention this weekend that selects delegates to the national convention. While Mitt Romney should be awarded 20 of the state's 28 delegates, based on his dominating win in the state's primary, it's possible that Paul supporters could exploit their strength in the Nevada GOP to get named to some of those delegate slots.
The national party is apparently concerned those delegates would then ignore party rules that would bind them to vote for Romney on the first round of balloting.
"If a prospective delegates name is certified to the RNC but has not been approved by an authorized representative of the candidate he or she professes to support, grounds for a contest may exist," Phillippe wrote. "In any case, to the extent a prospective delegate is purportedly elected in excess of the number of slots allocated to his or her preferred candidate, such delegate will be bound to vote at the national convention for the candidate to whom that delegate was allocated."
The national Republican organization is increasingly anxious over the ability of the Paul campaign to take over state-level organizations, especially in states like Iowa and Nevada that have outsized importance on the nominating process. National Republicans worry that if grassroots party loyalists aren't supporting the presumptive nominee, the party could struggle against President Obama's fundraising and organizational efforts. But Paul supporters say they should be credited for their ability to organize and win all-important delegates.
The congressman himself said Monday that his campaign was "doing very, very well" by exploiting some of the party's more obscure delegate selection rules.
"Just look at this last week. The news is very favorable to us. We could even end up winning Iowa, ironically enough. In Minnesota, we're doing well, and Maine, Nevada and Missouri. We're doing very, very well. Some of the states we could very well win or come up very much because the delegate process is completely different than these straw votes," Paul told Bloomberg TV.
"We're pleased. ... It's another month or so until they count all the delegates and we find out where we stand."
Read an article about Lamar County Georgia delegate issue with the Ron Paul’ers.
We have diluted the original intent of the Tea Party essence. Further allowing Ron Paul and his crazies to subvert the process any longer is masochism. To tell you the truth, this crap should end now.
Either we have a delegate system or we don’t. Set the rules and live by them. I’m tired of the Rino’s and others gaming the system. And people wonder why we have such bad government. It starts before anyone is elected.
Our election judge called the county officials, and put him on the phone. He was told to stand no closer than 10 feet from the building. I watched him from the window and made sure I clarified with every voter who took his flyer that it was a Ron Paul supporting slate. Voters have a right to know. I was really angry at their tactics. I reported it up to our area leader who assured me that it would be discussed with lawyers. I never heard whether there was further follow up. I expect this was going on county and state-wide here in PA. Voters usually don't know anything about the delegates so it's relatively easy to sway some of the votes. In a low turnout primary, it could easily make a difference.
COP: Halt or I'll fire!
The child runs right between BILLY and JAKE while the COP stops and raises his gun.
COP: Move, voters!
JAKE: (Grabbing BILLY to stop him from moving) Move an inch and I'll crush every bone in your body.
The COP has lost the girl, but he does not lower his gun -- it's an automatic weapon that looks all too loaded. He approaches the group angrily.
COP: You helped an enemy of democracy escape. She was stealing an apple of the people.
JAKE: (Whipping out his badge in an aggressive manner) Bullet. Cybernautics!
COP: That's traffic control.
JAKE is crestfallen and turns his badge around to look at it. The others, sans SEBASTIAN, can't believe their bad luck.
COP: Kneel, voters. You are under sentence of death. (To SEBASTIAN in the shadows) Come out of the shadows, voter.
SEBASTIAN walks forward, arms raised in surrender.
SEBASTIAN: What's the beef? Did she steal your lunch box?
The COP finally gets a look at who he's talking to.
COP: M-mm-many apologies, Voter Colonel. Had I known it was you...
He slowly lowers his gun, lowers his head, and clicks his heels in a salute.
COP: Forgive me.
SEBASTIAN: You know me?
COP: Of course, Voter Colonel.
SEBASTIAN: Who am I?
COP: You... are... Colonel Sebastian Doyle. Section chief of CGI. Head of the Ministry of Alteration.
SEBASTIAN: Remind me a little. What do we do at the "Ministry of Alteration?"
COP: You... change people, sir.
SEBASTIAN: In what way?
COP: You change them from being alive people, to being dead people.
To purify democracy.
COP: No one has done more to purge the ballot boxes than the Voter Colonel.
What’s that from so I can read it or watch it.
-—and the Nevada Republidunces can’t do anything right, anyway-—
I recommend starting with Series I Episode 1, "The End"
You probably will like it.
He is not, to my understanding, making any attempt to force the proportionality rules on Florida.
The corruption runs from top to bottom in that crowd ~ it will run out over the floors and spill into the Senate and House elections.
The degree of corruption at the RNC is so great it probably explains why our 2010 advances were not equaled in 2011 in the various by-elections around the country.
I think we have the sort of problem at the top that ought to probably lose the confidence of the Republican big dogs around the country.
So, what do we do next?
National Republicans worry that if grassroots party loyalists arent supporting the presumptive nominee, the party could struggle against President Obamas fundraising and organizational efforts.
What does a National Republican look like? Pink faced little pudgy guy like Karl Rove? The National Republican peoples didnt do so well in 2008 and plans are afoot to pee on them again this year.
It's like when OWS types complain that wealthy people use IRS loopholes that dumocrats themselves helped write to pay less in taxes.
The GOP is morphing into the DNC in more ways than one.
Nevada is probably just one of a couple of dozen states being gamed by hopeless minorities of losers ~ who were the guys who did this before the Paulistas decided to do it? Maybe McCain's crowd ~ think they did that stuff? Or could be even the Bushbots, or whoever. You might have to go back some years to find out why those rules are that way, but you'll end up with the IDs on the guys who game systems in the Republican party.
Maybe idiots shouldn’t have been enfranchised in the first place.
Anybody who thinks Americas problems will be solved electorally has rocks in their head
I am curious. Could you explain exactly why you loathe Libertarians?
Please take enough space to explain fully, as I am not so familiar with Libertarianism, and would really like to know.
Great series. The recent story arc on Eureka reminded me of that episode.
Poor widdle RNC same as the DNC. They got gamed!
I'd vote RP before MR!
Yeah! Now that you mention it...
No need to take a lot of space.I disagree hugely with (not loathe) libertarians because they invariably have far too much in common with Rats for my liking.The more one has in common with Osama Obama and his ilk the less I trust or respect him.
Wait a minute, ron Paul is a republican. Rnc, you made the rules, now live with it.
Actually I’ll bet the RNC would do that for any state that dared not to send a slate of delegates holding Romney signs.
Since the one who loathes Libertarians would not answer, and I am not so familiar with Libertarianism, but you did give good explanation, that they invariably have far too much in common with Rats, this raises the questions, what exactly do they have in common with rats? I have heard many of them desire decriminalization of marijuana, like many rats. What else do they have in common with rats?
I proposed that we can get Priebus' attention real quick by giving up Walker to the Democrats ~ else he can get in line and start running the RNC like he's a Republican and not somebody's staff aid.
“Read an article about Lamar County Georgia delegate issue with the Ron Paulers.”
We had issues with them in Gwinnett County, gA as well as district 4.
On some issues the Libertarians are doctrinaire Republican.
Here's an issue of FOLLOWING RULES and already the RNC doesn't want those rules followed because, alas, they are "last minute changes', yet in other cases the RNC refused to act on equally disruptive "last minute changes'.
We are all better off with honest people in the RNC. Sad, but we don't have any.
L. Ron Paul and his cult members tried to do the same thing in 2008, but Nevada’s State GOP Chairman, Sue Lowden, put a stop to it and Nevada allocated its delegates to the Republican National Convention in proportion to the results of the state’s caucuses. The Paulestinians never forgave Lowden for preventing their chicanery. When Lowden ran for the U.S. Senate in 2010 as a solid conservative who would have defeated Harry Reid in the general, the Paulestinians started spreading every lie and unsubstantiated rumor possible about Lowden, which, combined with Lowden’s gaffe regarding health care (she used a terrible example of the free-market system, saying someone could pay a doctor with a chicken), ensured that Lowden lost the primary and the not-ready-for-primetime Sharron Angle got the nomination instead.
The principal issue Republican's have with the Libertarians is that the Republican's, like the Democrats, support a Foreign Policy Agenda defined by an extreme Liberal Democrat, Woodrow Wilson, a former political science professor at Princeton, in 1914--spend money; deploy American assets; risk American Lives; define and organize military alliances with other countries many of which do not support direct American Interests; to (in Wilson's words) "make the world safe for democracy".
Libertarian's believe it is time to reexamine these policies. There isn't any real reason to believe that these policies have made America any more secure; or for that matter made the world any safer for democracy either.
We need a foreign and military policies designed to preserve US security in North America; close and enforce our borders; centralize and focus our military assets on policies and action designed to serve direct American international interests.
I suppose a part of that agenda is that many Libertarians oppose use of American Military power to protect Israel. In my own view, Israel is part of our security perimeter so I would dissent from that part of the Libertarian platform.
Libertarians would eliminate our sole monetary reliance on fiat currency in favor of a competing use of monetary metals such as gold and silver as legal tender.
Just exactly what tactics did they do that were wrong? As you said, the guy knew the rules. You sound like a party hack trying to disenfranchise people who want to participate in the political process and don’t tow the party line. I can guarantee you the state GOP hacks were standing in front of the polling places handing out their fliers of who to vote for in many districts. They’re there most of the time I go to vote doing that. Why in the world shouldn’t supporters of another candidate be allowed to do the same? And if he is allowed to advocate for his candidate only 10 feet away, how far away were you standing when you were “campaigning” against his preferred delegates?
“Either we have a delegate system or we dont. Set the rules and live by them. Im tired of the Rinos and others gaming the system.”
The system was designed to be gamed. More power to Paul’s campaign for figuring out how to beat the Rinos at their own game.
I’m tired of having Romney pushed down my throat. For months, we’ve watched the media demolish every candidate who might be a challenge to Romney. Innuendos generated about Cain, belittling Santorum, lying about Newt...
Any damage Ron Paul can do to Mitt Romney is welcome. Ron Paul is at least a radical fiscal conservative despite his nutty foreign policy. That beats Romney’s statism and socialism any day of the week. A Ron Paul presidency would without a doubt do more to solve our debt crisis than a Romney presidency would. Just maybe the party will back a candidate who’s conservative on SOMETHING next time.
Like Ron Paul or not everyday the Republicans come up with reason after reason to stay home in November.
This is great news! Despite the lies in the media from both the DNC and GOPe propaganda machine Romney may not get enough hard delegates to win the first vote at the convention. In the last 3 liberal states he got at most 57% running virtually unopposed. Hes not going to do any better in the upcoming conservative proportional allocation states.
So regardless of what you think of Paul and his devotees. the fact is he is the last chance we have of getting a brokered convention and getting rid of Romney. Do you really think Paul can win the nomination? No. That’s laughable. Can he force a brokered convention? Possible, if conservatives would not fight what hes doing...
He’s dead, Dave. Everybody’s dead. Everybody is dead, Dave.
LISTER is still trying to understand what HOLLY is saying.
LISTER: Petersen isn't, is he?
HOLLY: Everybody is dead, Dave.
LISTER: Not Chen?
HOLLY: Gordon Bennett! Yes! Chen, everybody. Everybody's dead, Dave.
HOLLY: He's dead, Dave. Everybody's dead. Everybody is dead, Dave!
LISTER: Wait. Are you trying to tell me everybody's dead?
HOLLY: I wish I'd never let him out in the first place.
Agreed. Disband the GOP since they can’t follow their own by-laws. Nor are they capable of fronting a POTUS candidate capable of even understanding their Party planks.
“The system was designed to be gamed.”
Well it’s time we learn from Paul instead of complaining about him. I still think Machiavelli has his place. Rino’s are my enemy so Paul is my friend. Now if we could at least straighten him out on foreign policy not that I don’t agree we need to get rid of the Neocons while were at it.
Ron Paul supporters are as kooky and nuts as he is...
The guy is not working with a full deck...he needs to be tested for dementia..
has any one heard from him or seen him in the news in the past two months...
his son needs to give dad a pep talk and tell him to stop this nonsense.
Why were you helping Mittens?
Jedi - Sorry not to get back to you. I've been away.
Clearly if the county election officials told the fellow to move further away from the polls, he was not in compliance. Personally, I have no objection to anyone making their case for any candidate or candidates. However, I believe that citizens who are voting have the right to know the source of that advocacy, especially when it concerns delegates who are not committed to proportionately representing the will of the voters at the convention. I made no effort to dissuade voters; I only let them know the source of the recommendation. When a campaign omits that information, I have to ask why they are unwilling to disclose it. All the other campaigns were clear in their funding and advocacy so that voters could make informed decisions.
As to myself, I was there as a GOP committee representative. As such, I am in an elected position, and I represent the local GOP. I don't personally agree with every recommendation or every action. I do my best to provide sources of information to our citizens so that they can make their own informed decisions. I have put together newsletters to constituents and created extensive website links to campaigns on the GOP side. Included were campaigns of candidates that I didn't personally support, in addition to the list of endorsements. I make a point of this out of respect for the voters.
In addition to the above, I stand at the polls on election day, greeting voters and providing guidance for those who seek it. Yes, I hand out the flyer with our local committee's recommendations. You consider me a hack for that; OK. You have your opinion. It's not my favorite activity, but it's part of the role. The flyers are clearly marked with the source of funding, and I let people know what it represents. I also point out the full ballot, which is clearly on display - often in more than one location. I have spent time with many citizens explaining to them what is on the ballot, and what to expect in the voting booth. Many of them come to the polls not knowing what will be on the ballot apart from the most visible race. I don't pressure people, and I can say that most of my Dem counterparts are very polite and also do not pressure voters. At the end of the day, we're all still neighbors, and most of us remember that.
You may not like what you term political hacks. I understand the distaste for those you think do whatever the higher-ups tell them regardless of what's best. To some extent this is the nature of large organizations of any kind. We take up our differences internally, and we have many debates. Our committee has gained more conservative members in recent years, and we're having an impact. These changes don't come as fast as some of us would like, but the internal change is a necessary part of the picture. With unity we can raise awareness of candidates and engage the citizens.
In our precinct, the winner of the senate race was not the state and locally endorsed candidate, by the way. The voters managed to ignore the printed endorsement and support a more consistently conservative candidate. They also turned out in solid numbers for a primary race that, once again, they were probably too late to affect.
Iowa has the same Ron Paul problem.
The state Republican Central committee has been taken-over by Paulisinians. And when the state delegates are finally selected at the state convention, the make-up of Iowa’s delegation will not reflect the caucus results at all... bye-bye first in the nation caucuses... and at this point, I don’t give a flying crap. The Republic Party of Iowa will reap what’s been sown.