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Field and Stream ^ | 5/4/12 | David E. Petzal

Posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:12 PM PDT by Kartographer

If you’d really like to depress yourself some evening, watch “Doomsday Preppers” on the National Geographic Channel. The show details the plans of normal, well adjusted people to cope with the aftermath of fiscal collapse, nuclear holocaust, the eruption of Yellowstone, solar flares, and so on.

The New York Times noted with outrage that many of these people were accumulating guns and ammunition in order to defend their 1,500 pounds of MREs and dried brown rice, but stockpiling guns is fine with me. My concern is that most of them seem pretty inexpert with guns. One prepper was counting on a Ruger Number One single-shot which, despite its many splendid qualities, is not what you’d pick to blast the mob at your door. Another managed to shoot off several fingers during a practice session. Yet a third, a resident of the Oligarchy of Bloomberg, took lessons in knife fighting because he was unable to get a gun, ignoring the fact that everyone in the Oligarchy of Bloomberg who wants a gun has one, or several, and when the pistol-waving mob comes to this fellow’s apartment I don’t think that he and his knife will last long.

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It's not just the Libs that are shocked and angered by this, there are any number of people who consider themselves to be conservatives right here on FR who are angry at preppers. Some what to bring God's Armageddon into the discuss as if they know that it will be God's will should some contastrophy befall us. Despite the fact that the history of man is full of direr times which were cause by nature or man himself. Man himself doesn't need God to help them muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.

How many Jews do you think while crammed into a cattle car on their way to some death camp didn't wish they had heed the signs more and prep for what was coming?

I want to warn you who prep, beware these pseudo-conservatives they will be the worse in someways more than many of the Libs. Many will want to punish you for being right and proving them wrong, they will even go as far as blaming you for the troubles because in their twisted way of thinking your prepping brought the 'troubles'. Some of 'it's God's will' crowd will also want to see you punished as they will see you as dodging God's punishment, they will be among the first to report you so as to make sure you too suffer what they see as the rightful wrath of God as if they know the Lord's mind.

OPSEC is not just for you Lib neighbors many that you think as being conservative thinkers will be just as dangerous.

We have talked a lot about safety in numbers and that is so true, just keep in mind not all enemies sail under their true colors.

Beware these people listen to their words carefully and keep in mind this quote from one of my favorite westerns:
"Most times a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear."

1 posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:18 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Please consider this our weekly Preppers’ Thread.


2 posted on 05/04/2012 8:56:24 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

For later


3 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:24 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kartographer

Weird story, that mixed the issue of prepping with some loser who prepped then murdered his family then holed up in his bunker, where the constables blew the door off to find him a suicide. Well of COURSE it was in vain. Shed no tears for him.


4 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Kartographer
One prepper was counting on a Ruger Number One single-shot which, despite its many splendid qualities, is not what you’d pick to blast the mob at your door.

Perhaps for himself so as not to be torn apart by the mob! (Not a very wise prepper.)

5 posted on 05/04/2012 9:04:39 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Kartographer

I suspect that the best “prep” is the silent prep.


6 posted on 05/04/2012 9:06:59 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: davisfh

Undoubtedly so


7 posted on 05/04/2012 9:09:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: davisfh

I suspect that the best “prep” is the silent prep.

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Yeppers. Had that very convo with a good friend of mine in the neighborhood.

“Loose lips...........”


8 posted on 05/04/2012 9:10:16 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Kartographer

I’ve been a sort of prepper since high school in 1960. One thing bothers me, as shown in the movie DELIVERANCE.

Several business men and a survivalist (Burt Reynolds)run the river and encounter hillbillies. The survivalist saves their bacon but in the next rapids breaks his hip and has a compound fracture. And he is scared! He is now totally useless.

What happens in a SHTF situation when the most prepared person is out of action?


9 posted on 05/04/2012 9:16:44 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kartographer
Excellent advice. Liberalism may be a mental illness, but the spectrum of evil does not know any one ideology. Most humans can be reduced to animalistic behavior including cannibalism.

I never underestimate both the levels of depravity and at the same time heroism exhibited by people. I have seen it first hand in my travels.
10 posted on 05/04/2012 9:21:38 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: davisfh

Ditto That!

I actually cringe when I watch Doomsday Preppers
Like...Hello!


11 posted on 05/04/2012 9:26:12 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Lurker

I do the 72 hour thing, not a prepper by a long shot. I am armed, practice weekly with my guns, and can last a while hunkering down in teh home front. I went through Katrina so I have an idea of what I needed.

I have camping gear (propane stoves etc), fire starting tool, knives, some water put away.

My wife is a nurse, not a psych nurse, ER, and we discuss those people, they all really need psychiatric help. The new york fire fighter, you can guess why he has a psychosis. Some of them really are undiagnosed schizophrenics and compulsive behavior issues.

Its possible to prepare for an emergency without going as far as they go. I mean the Zombie Uprising is my biggest worry, and I am prepared for that :)


12 posted on 05/04/2012 9:26:56 PM PDT by USAFJeeper (Who Dat Nation - Loving the Manning Face!)
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To: Kartographer

The show is of mixed interest to me. It seems Nat Geo went way out of their way to pick some of the most laughable Prepper loons in existence. A few can be taken seriously, but mostly it is comedy.

On top of that, Nat Geo seems to have gone way out of their way to pick the Preppers with the lamest reasons for prepping. A few are believably prepping for economic collapse, but the rest is pretty farfetched compared to the main reason I find people prepping: fear of a totalitarian takeover attempt by a Marxist-inspired Federal government. Not ONE Prepper on the show, as far as I know, has ever come within a country mile of uttering a single syllable along those lines, despite the history of the last 100 years.


13 posted on 05/04/2012 9:29:44 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Kartographer

The show is of mixed interest to me. It seems Nat Geo went way out of their way to pick some of the most laughable Prepper loons in existence. A few can be taken seriously, but mostly it is comedy.

On top of that, Nat Geo seems to have gone way out of their way to pick the Preppers with the lamest reasons for prepping. A few are believably prepping for economic collapse, but the rest is pretty farfetched compared to the main reason I find people prepping: fear of a totalitarian takeover attempt by a Marxist-inspired Federal government. Not ONE Prepper on the show, as far as I know, has ever come within a country mile of uttering a single syllable along those lines, despite the history of the last 100 years, and the events rapidly unfolding before our eyes.


14 posted on 05/04/2012 9:30:37 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: davisfh

Yep.


15 posted on 05/04/2012 9:30:46 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer
I have read that the government has a law on the books that it is illegal to stock over one month's worth of supplies. If you do, they can confiscate them for the “good of all”.
16 posted on 05/04/2012 9:37:11 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Kartographer

By definition, a prepper would not go on Doomsday Preppers or otherwise publicly broadcast their preparations. Why? Because that’s the opposite of being prepared. That’s setting yourself up to be one of the first targeted in the aftermath of a true doomsday scenario.


17 posted on 05/04/2012 9:40:51 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

What happens in a SHTF situation when the most prepared person is out of action?


...if I wanted to be crude and stick with the ‘Deliverance’ theme I’d joke that you’d start ‘prayin’.


18 posted on 05/04/2012 9:42:01 PM PDT by bramps
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To: Bellflower

There might still be some “anti-hoarder” laws dating back the FDR that were never sunsetted.


19 posted on 05/04/2012 9:44:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

the=to


20 posted on 05/04/2012 9:45:09 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Bellflower

i plan on stock piling a couple years worth of lsundry detergent.
one bar of fels nsptha, one cup of of borax and one cup of arm and hammer washing soda. ace hardware is selling all three including this recipe.
you can find this on you tube and the internrt.
also check out getting amoxicilan and other antibiotics at california vet supply. fixmox and fishflaxin.


21 posted on 05/04/2012 10:27:27 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Yep. A person who is serious about it is going to do it and not get themselves on TV so that EVERY BODY knows exactly what they have. Amazing!

By the way, I saw the one program where the guy blew the end of his thumb off. He put it in front of the muzzle when it “misfired”. Uh huh. I’d like to slap that guy. He lives some where south of us in Phoenix.


22 posted on 05/04/2012 10:33:18 PM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: dagogo redux
On top of that, Nat Geo seems to have gone way out of their way to pick the Preppers with the lamest reasons for prepping.

That is done to make their "experts," who come on at the end of the show and say that whatever they were prepping for is statistically never going to happen, that much more believable. The unwashed masses can then flip back to Dancing With The Stars with nothing to worry about.

23 posted on 05/04/2012 11:22:44 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: atomic_dog

I’ve only seen one episode of that series, but in that episode the expert analysts provided recommendations on the completeness of each person’s preparations and offered recommendations for improvement. One guy carried a backpack full of basic supplies, and planned to live on the natural vegetation that grew around the drainage canals in Los Angeles. The experts at the end of that segment said “You should think about carrying a gun for self defense.” I thought the show was going to be all about “Let’s make fun of all the wackaloon survivalists,” but that one recommendation changed my mind. If they’re going to be serious about the topic, then maybe the show is worth watching.

I have a few basic “hunker down” supplies, and I’m right on the edge of joining up with a group of like-minded folks who would band together in a defensible location during a SHTF scenario. The main problem I see in the Phoenix area is trying to defend your position and your supplies from a million starving fellow citizens. The Zombie Apocalypse isn’t quite the same when you are facing an emaciated family with a couple of kids, or maybe an infant.


24 posted on 05/04/2012 11:48:15 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Tarantulas

” I’m right on the edge of joining up with a group of like-minded folks who would band together in a defensible location”—smartest thing you can do. You can’t survive on your own. The other thing, if you can, get a bug out house in a way rural area. Also, in a prior comment, don’t advertise what you are doing.


25 posted on 05/05/2012 12:28:35 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: dagogo redux

>>It seems Nat Geo went way out of their way to pick some of the most laughable Prepper loons in existence.

Seems?

I thought the entire purpose of the show was to make fun of people who might be taking prudent steps to handle a major earthquake, hurricane, economic troubles, etc.


26 posted on 05/05/2012 12:40:38 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kartographer

Conversation among the family was about bug in vs. bug out. My home is completely indefensible - low ground, dense woods, etc. So this is an ongoing discussion and we will bug out.

I laid the law down to my one (liberal) daughter. If you want to bug out, don’t come to my house empty-handed. I will not share.


27 posted on 05/05/2012 1:16:52 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Someone else will become the most prepared.


28 posted on 05/05/2012 1:33:04 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Kartographer
The New York Times noted with outrage that many of these people were accumulating guns and ammunition in order to defend their 1,500 pounds of MREs and dried brown rice,p>Yes, how dare we gather survival supplies, while they do nothing but leech off us, and then have the audacity to intend to not share with the leeches.
29 posted on 05/05/2012 3:35:37 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: davisfh

There ya’ go.


30 posted on 05/05/2012 3:39:31 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: Donnafrflorida

napalm


31 posted on 05/05/2012 3:43:40 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: Tarantulas

>>”One guy carried a backpack full of basic supplies, and planned to live on the natural vegetation that grew around the drainage canals in Los Angeles.”<<
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I’ve seen maybe a half dozen episodes and don’t care to waste my time watching another.

The guy you described above wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a real crisis, especially in Los Angeles. Does he really think he’s going to defend himself with his stone arrowheads and pocketknives from a gang of Mexican Zombies? Ha!

Sounds to me like you’re doing the right thing by aligning yourself with “like-minded” folks.


32 posted on 05/05/2012 3:52:38 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: NTHockey

>>”If you want to bug out, don’t come to my house empty-handed. I will not share.”<<
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You’d turn your own daughter back into the streets to fend for herself? Really?

It’s people like you that give preppers a bad name.


33 posted on 05/05/2012 4:03:53 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: panaxanax

Being a liberal, she can be like Julia and wait for the government to help. When she changes her outlook on life and takes responsibility for her actions, I will help. But, as in the tale of the ant and the grasshopper, if you play all summer, I can’t feed you in the winter.

If that makes me a bad person, so be it. I will not starve those in my house already to feed a slacker. It will be survival of the fittest.


34 posted on 05/05/2012 4:14:36 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey

WOW!!

Sounds like she’d be better off on her own, huh?

That’ll sure teach her a lesson.

I wonder what she’ll be thinking as she’s fighting off gangs of rapists, hungry, sick, cold & sleeping under a bridge while her a$$hole father feeds his fat face?

“Jeez, I should have listened to dear old dad and been a ‘prepper’ like him.”


35 posted on 05/05/2012 4:48:28 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: rockrr

During World War Two the local ration boards were on the lookout for hoarders & relied on snitches. Citizens suspected of hoarding rationed goods were summoned to appear before the board. This was backed up by local police. Confiscations were rare but not unheard of.

Now.... who in these times will even utter a peep about what they have, especially weapons, if they’ve got their sense? Seems that mum’s the word if you want to be safe.


36 posted on 05/05/2012 5:07:39 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: elcid1970

There’s someone around who tells a tale of his family’s main food supply being cleaned-out in this manner ... they only survived because they had part of their food supply hidden somewhere else.


37 posted on 05/05/2012 5:24:41 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: davisfh

If not Post of the Day, real close.


38 posted on 05/05/2012 5:35:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: davisfh
"I suspect that the best “prep” is the silent prep. "

What's prepping? (ahem)

39 posted on 05/05/2012 5:45:00 AM PDT by blam
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To: NTHockey
Being a liberal, she can be like Julia and wait for the government to help

I couldn't do that to one of my children despite their political or other foolish views.

Instead, I quietly prep for them now as well, not even sure if they will ultimately arrive. If they don't, then I have the increased ability to help others whom I deem need and deserve it.

But I figure it is likely these family will show up with their hat in hand when/if the SHTF. They will get my help then if they need it - but only if they agree beforehand to follow my rules and be a part of my team and not a sponge. If they refuse the deal, then they have made their choice to leave and seek help elsewhere. If they stay, they can expect no free lunches or preferential treatment and we will work together to make it through.

It is my view any Liberal-minded (or not properly prepped) family members who might make it to my door will change their views mighty quickly when the rubber hits the road and the cold reality of hunger and danger arrives at their door and their comfy bubbles are burst by genuine events. They certainly already will be at that point if they manage to arrive at my door. So, I prepare for them to join us and help us all survive together. After all, there is strength in numbers.

In the Bible, the man forgave his Prodigal Son when he finally left his squandering and foolishness and returned home. I think this is likely to be the case with a lot of folks if the SHTF.

I would rather accept the burden of extra prepping now (foolish old dad!) and hope for reconciliation with others in my family when the time comes rather than turn them away to certain disaster and perhaps an awful end. I would have a hard time living with my conscience for doing so just because of their current foolishness.

40 posted on 05/05/2012 6:07:25 AM PDT by Gritty (Where once space was our final frontier, now we frolic in the canyons of our mind-Mark Steyn)
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To: NTHockey

When “it” happens, you’ll change your mind about her, I’m betting. Perhaps she’ll bring some skills to the group. Prep for her, anyway, Mr Dad. I wouldn’t turn my own flesh-and-blood away, even if they were lib-slackers. (Might do that to the in-laws, though...)


41 posted on 05/05/2012 6:31:03 AM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: carriage_hill

??Prep for her, anyway, Mr Dad. I wouldn’t turn my own flesh-and-blood away, even if they were lib-slackers.<<

Truth be told. AND you will have the everlasting glow of “told ya” to sweeten your survival time!


42 posted on 05/05/2012 6:36:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: NTHockey

What the “Julia” scenario didn’t say was that you have to be in good graces with the local bureaucrat to get those “freebies”. If you personally offend the local permit rajah or don’t do what they want (go with son to prom, sexual favors, scoop his dog’s poop), you don’t get the daycare spot for your child, the coveted loan, the medical care.
If the government controls everything, you must bribe or exchange favors to get anything. And if isn’t just bureaucrats. I read an article about why the birth rate was so low in Russia - abortions automatically had anesthesia, if in labor, you had to bribe a nurse to get painkiller.


43 posted on 05/05/2012 6:49:14 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: rockrr
IIRC, anti-hoarding laws were discussed during the Clinton years as they claimed it was the “hoarders” that were driving up the cost of food.

I expect that to be the next line of attack out of the dems since only the “EVIL EVIL EVIL RICH” can afford to buy a years supply of food.

44 posted on 05/05/2012 7:03:52 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: rockrr
IIRC, anti-hoarding laws were discussed during the Clinton years as they claimed it was the “hoarders” that were driving up the cost of food.

I expect that to be the next line of attack out of the dems since only the “EVIL EVIL EVIL RICH” can afford to buy a years supply of food.

45 posted on 05/05/2012 7:03:52 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Kartographer; mickie
What do preppers think about the millions of elderly living alone in condos with no room to store anything....and who are probably physically impaired in some minor ways. They are not necessarily indigent, they don't have gardens, can't lift cases of food and supplies if they wanted to, and generally don't have firearms.

Interesting question.

Leni

46 posted on 05/05/2012 7:11:26 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Gritty

If the gal is truly a liberal, when you bring her in to save her butt, she will take the first opportunity to rat you out to the ‘collective’.


47 posted on 05/05/2012 7:34:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

She already knows her dad is a ‘prepper’. If she was going to turn you in to Big Brother, she could do that from anywhere.

Think about it.


48 posted on 05/05/2012 8:01:50 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: MinuteGal

Interesting question and the answer all depends on the situation. You do what you can with what you have. As for myself and other’s I know we have put back 10% for charity.

I a minor event I would willing give more, but my family comes first. Now let me ask you a few questions:

1. In the event of an emergency how much have you put back? If nothing then do you plan to depend on the limited resources provided by emergency agencies and by using those resources that you could/should have provide for yourself and your family place use resources and thereby limit the ability of responders to help those very people you talk about in your scenario?
2. If there is a major emergency and you are told it would be several weeks before any major relief arrives and you have only enough resources on hand to barely provide for your minor children for a week to ten days how much of those resources do you share?
3. Tell me if only half the people able to do some were to be prepare enough to provide for themselves in a serious emergency how much easier would that make it for those trying to provide relief during such an emergency?
and
4. In an event of an emergency how much assistance will you be able to supply to those you asked about? Or do you just assume that some one else will do it?

By the way in your scenario may I ask why haven’t their families included them in their emergency plans? Providing for your family should always include those member not able to provide for themselves.

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

But such is the nature of things these days that some people just have to be on TV and get their 15 minutes of fame even if it is by providing the ‘money shot’ for the nightly news anchors by being filmed standing on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring them a bottle of water, an MRE and a warm blanket.

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become thier‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be herded in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Now I ask you what’s easier telling your children and loved ones why you prepared or explaining to them why you didn’t?


49 posted on 05/05/2012 8:02:39 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: IMR 4350; elcid1970

I don’t remember it but I’m sure you’re correct. It is a common tactic of the left to 1. Mind everyone else’s business above your own, and 2. Focus attention on your neighbors to take it away from yourself. That’s why elcid1970’s caution about discretion is so important. Why advertise and make your strengths your weaknesses?


50 posted on 05/05/2012 8:09:27 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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