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Field and Stream ^ | 5/4/12 | David E. Petzal

Posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:12 PM PDT by Kartographer

If you’d really like to depress yourself some evening, watch “Doomsday Preppers” on the National Geographic Channel. The show details the plans of normal, well adjusted people to cope with the aftermath of fiscal collapse, nuclear holocaust, the eruption of Yellowstone, solar flares, and so on.

The New York Times noted with outrage that many of these people were accumulating guns and ammunition in order to defend their 1,500 pounds of MREs and dried brown rice, but stockpiling guns is fine with me. My concern is that most of them seem pretty inexpert with guns. One prepper was counting on a Ruger Number One single-shot which, despite its many splendid qualities, is not what you’d pick to blast the mob at your door. Another managed to shoot off several fingers during a practice session. Yet a third, a resident of the Oligarchy of Bloomberg, took lessons in knife fighting because he was unable to get a gun, ignoring the fact that everyone in the Oligarchy of Bloomberg who wants a gun has one, or several, and when the pistol-waving mob comes to this fellow’s apartment I don’t think that he and his knife will last long.

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To: Kartographer

I am going to have to tune in one of the prepper shows as they sound like a hoot.

This is not the first time we have gone through this prepper phase. When I was a youngster (1960s) many people built bomb shelters in their backyards to protect their family in the event of a nuclear war with the USSR. They spent huge amounts of money for concrete and ventilation systems and discussions of how to create a proper bomb shelter appeared in the popular press. So this is nothing new.

Oddly enough, we came within minutes of being in a nuclear war in the early 60s. It was a very real possibility and it nearly happened.


51 posted on 05/05/2012 8:44:13 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: elcid1970

***During World War Two the local ration boards were on the lookout for hoarders & relied on snitches.****

During WWII my brother-in-law’s family operated a ranch in Texas. They canned and killed their own meat and veggies.

One day someone dropped a dime on them and their ranch was raided. All their stored food was confiscated.

They survived by having another hidden cellar way back in the hills.


52 posted on 05/05/2012 8:54:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: davisfh

I always think about that Twilight Zone episode, “The Shelter”......that’s why you need to keep your plans secret.


53 posted on 05/05/2012 8:59:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: panaxanax

***The guy you described above wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a real crisis, especially in Los Angeles.****

We need to ask the opinion of a REAL SURVIVALIST! Is GUNKID out of jail yet? ;-D


54 posted on 05/05/2012 9:03:21 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kartographer

“Doomsday Preppers” is more enjoyable to watch than most of the trash on TV but it does have some serious shortcomings.

On the surface the producers present a seemingly constructive look at the prepper movement in general and individual preppers in particular.

But to me there is no doubt that an intentional secondary message of the program is to portray preppers as a somewhat loco fringe element.

That’s why producers have selected some subjects they can show as incompetent, or even dangerous, gun owners. And they also portray many as obsessive, disconnected and paranoid.


55 posted on 05/05/2012 9:10:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: carriage_hill; NTHockey

Well, if she’s decent-looking, you might be able to use her to trade for goods or services later on.

Yes, that was a joke.


56 posted on 05/05/2012 9:13:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dfwgator

Me too, that is such a classic.

I’ve been tricked before into letting things slip out — and I think I’ve learned my lesson now. (You know, where they made it sound like they’re preparing their families by buying extra food, etc. Then, they end up saying “oh, we’ll just come to your house.” That makes me so mad!)


57 posted on 05/05/2012 9:15:57 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: panaxanax

I thought about it ... and I’ve decided you’re an agitator with little else to feed your ego. When she is desperately hungry, she goes to daddy to keep from starving to death, and when her belly is full she reverts back to her liberalism mindset. Don’t bother trying to bully me with the same bullshyte you’ve tossed at others on this thread.. I’ve run into you before.


58 posted on 05/05/2012 9:23:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kartographer
Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I'm sure many elderly who find themselves in the position I described will find it very helpful.

Leni

59 posted on 05/05/2012 9:26:45 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: CharlesWayneCT

LOL! (Funny anyway!)


60 posted on 05/05/2012 9:30:30 AM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: MinuteGal

Thank you for your thorough and thought provoking answers. You really added something to the thread.


61 posted on 05/05/2012 9:32:23 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

This has been a heated discussion among Evangelical Christians lately. What is unclear is how bad things are going to get before the Rapture and how long will it last. The Tribulation will bring more horror, violence, despair and destruction than man has ever seen. Just looking at history and the misery that has already happened in the past, one could see preparing for a terrible future even if it lasts a relatively short time. There is a wide range of opinions among Evangelicals - from preparing for a two or three week crisis due to extreme weather all the way to having a five year supply of food, water, meds, guns, ammo, etc. The struggle many Evangelicals have is spending tens of thousands of dollars on preps that could be given to the church or to charities. I don’t have the answer, but I can tell you that not all Evangelicals are critical of preppers and I can assure that no true Christian wishes God’s wrath on anyone. Maranatha.


62 posted on 05/05/2012 9:39:23 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Kartographer
US Army Survival Manual

Lot's of good information here!

63 posted on 05/05/2012 9:53:38 AM PDT by Sarajevo (http://rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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To: dfwgator

I remember that episode and as I recall, a large crowd came to visit.


64 posted on 05/05/2012 10:03:47 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: MHGinTN

“I’ve run into you before.”

I really don’t think you’ve ever posting anything that I have disagreed with, maybe so, maybe not. Please spend the rest of your day looking and please post. If you need me to vent your anger, then fire away.

All I’m saying is that ANY father that would throw their own kids to the wolves during a time of national crisis is less than a sliver of a man.

Any one of my kids and/or their families could show up on my doorstep wearing 0bama T-shirts and they’re gonna get fed. They’ll hear plenty of $hit from dad about their attire, but they damn sure won’t go away hungry and they’ll have a place to stay until things cool down.


65 posted on 05/05/2012 10:16:55 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: SVTCobra03; MinuteGal

Who says its the Rapture? No one knows when it will come only the Father.

Yet the History of Man of man is full of direr times which were cause by nature or man himself. Man has proven repeatedly that they can well muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.

You can’t escapes God’s Armageddon but you should do what you can to provide for your family and get them through natural or man made ones.

How many Jews setting in Cattle cars on their way to Death camps wished they had heeded the warning signs better?

A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. Proverbs 22:3

The bible tells us also that:
In the house of the wise are stores of choice food and oil, but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20

This reminds me of one of my favorite jokes:

A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says “get in, get in!” The religous man replies, “ no I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle.”

Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in god and god will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again cause “God will grant him a miracle.”

With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grand me a miracle and I have been let down.” St. Peter chuckles and responds, “I don’t know what you’re complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter.”

Maybe some need to read The Parable Ten Virgins: What It Means to Be Ready (Matthew 25:1-13)

Or just read 1 Timothy 5:8: But if any provideth not for his own, and specially his own household, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.


66 posted on 05/05/2012 10:23:39 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: panaxanax

These are my last words to you on this thread, asshat. Read the story of the prodigal son. Did the father even dump the son with plenty of money, anticipating the son would squander it? Yes. There comes a time when the children MUST go out on their own. That doesn’t mean the father doesn’t love the son, he just realizes experience teaches what the son refused to take from his father. The daughter being a liberal has a mental disease. Perhaps you have the same disease and want to justify it in your own mind. Who knows. I just don’t think you’re worth responding to further since it appears your flailing ego needs to snarl. Have Nice Day


67 posted on 05/05/2012 10:39:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I think some serious research into conditions during WWII on the American “homefront” is in order for those of us who treasure liberty.

For most, WWII is about Pearl Harbor, D-Day, & Hiroshima. On the homefront, they know about Japanese internment, gasoline rationing, & Rosie the Riveter. That’s all.

But domestic surveillance on citizens was more than finding out who was spying for the Nazis & the Japs. Being overheard saying the wrong thing and suffering bad consequences didn’t just happen under the Gestapo, NKVD, or Kempetai.

Glenn Beck has talked about citizens ratted out & arrested during the First World War for things that had nothing to do with enemy spies.

Just what was the government going to do with those homecanned foodstuffs, anyway? Destroyed them as a warning to others, I’ll guess.

Anyway, I don’t do prepper stuff and all my guns were lost in a mysterious boating accident. For the record.


68 posted on 05/05/2012 10:49:47 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Kartographer

We may not know the hour or the day,but we will know the season. And the signs of His return are becoming more frequent every day. The Church will not see God’s wrath or what you are calling Armegeddon. It is that time between now and the Rapture or the beginning of the Great Tribulation that I was addressing. Everyone has to decide in their own mind how much of their resources to dedicate to prepping. It’s up to you to decide whether we will go thru another Depression or Zombie Apocalypse or TEOTWAWKI.


69 posted on 05/05/2012 11:18:22 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: MHGinTN

Nobody asked you to respond to my original post and yet you jump in and call me an “agitator” because I wouldn’t throw my kids to the Zombies?

I can see where it would be embarrassing to be identified as one who would abandon their own children, but you’re taking this to the extreme.

You are, however, making a wise choice by surrendering and I do hope you keep your promise to curtail any further responses.


70 posted on 05/05/2012 12:19:25 PM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: All

So, looks like I’m in the teeny minority when it comes to assisting others too stupid or lazy to prep. How many of you have children that whatever mom and dad say they will do the direct opposite, each and every time? That’s my cross to bear. Just as I choose how mto prep and how much.


71 posted on 05/05/2012 12:29:21 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: SVTCobra03; MinuteGal
"Everyone has to decide in their own mind how much of their resources to dedicate to prepping."

Very true, but explain to me why those who do not prep are the first to tell those that do that they should share what they store? Didn't Paul write in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 :"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." So if a person has been exposed to the tenants of prepping and yet refuses to do the work why should they eat?

I have repeated warned many that there will will be people among us like MinuteGal who will want to punish them for being right and proving them wrong with their prepping, they will even go as far as blaming you for the troubles because in their twisted way of thinking your prepping brought the 'troubles'. Some of the 'it's God's will' crowd will want to see preppes punished as they will see them as trying to dodging God's punishment, even though they have no way to know the mind of God and can not tell if the trouble be man's folly or God's retribution. These righteous 'Christians' will be among the first to report preppers so they can make sure that they too suffer, what they see as the rightful wrath of God as if they know the Lord's mind.

As far as this being the beginning of the Great Tribulation that has been thought by many in past times and just as the Rapture itself no one knows. I can point out many times in man's history that times were worse.

If the start then so be it, but I repeat their have been plenty of times in history man has caused Tribulation like events which have no connection to the Rapture unless you consider the Tribulation started when Adam and Eve were forced from the garden, or when the Romans fed Christians to the lions, the beginning of WW I or maybe when the Nazis gas millions of Jews and so forth.
72 posted on 05/05/2012 12:42:10 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: MHGinTN
If the gal is truly a liberal, when you bring her in to save her butt, she will take the first opportunity to rat you out to the ‘collective’.

I'm not sure how that will happen unless they come with her. They aren't welcome and there will be no doubt in anybody's minds about that. If anybody wants to force the issue, it will get ugly fast and most Liberals aren't into "ugly" if it means them on the receiving end.

In a SHTF scenario, power and cell phones will be down and there will be little communication or free movement. She will have no transportation available anyhow and it's a bit of a walk to town much less to any "friends". My rules also include remaining in place and not wandering around making yourself a target of opportunity. Prepare for a long stay, plenty of guard duty, hard work, diet discipline, and no iPods or TV.

73 posted on 05/05/2012 1:19:30 PM PDT by Gritty (Government money is not about the money. It's about the government and social engineering-Mark Steyn)
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To: Kartographer
"explain to me why those who do not prep are the first to tell those that do that they should share what they store?

It's the Obama "social justice" & "wealth redistribution" mentality.

It's just not fair for you to have more than someone else.

The fact you worked hard, planned, set priorities, did without luxuries to obtain necessities is irrelevant.


74 posted on 05/05/2012 1:24:51 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: SVTCobra03
The struggle many Evangelicals have is spending tens of thousands of dollars on preps that could be given to the church or to charities.

Why spend tens of thousands of dollars on prepping (saving) for retirement when that money could be given to the church or to charities?

75 posted on 05/05/2012 3:28:49 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; SVTCobra03

Why buy insurance? I guess those that do, must not have strong faith? In fact I wonder how many churches themselves carry property insurance? Those churches must be weak in their faith.


76 posted on 05/05/2012 4:20:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: richardtavor
On November 2008 I started a preparedness group here in my home city - we have an active web site and a monthly meeting that usually draws 25-35 participants. Each month we cover a different topic - last month was radio commmunications and this month will be practical use of solar power.

Starting that group was one of the best things I ever did - I've met some of the finest people of my life as part of all this, and our participants have begun to network nicely amongst themselves.

Our participants have included members of a true cross-section of society - SWAT team members, doctors, lawyers, farmers, young couples, etc - and true friendships have been formed.

Currently I'm trying to scrape together the funds to join up with a couple of other families in developing some rural land in N. Florida where, even if the world doesn't collapse, we'll have a heck of a nice little hunting camp. I've also started a little machinist shop with one of my prepper friends, and would really love to start some sort of country feed store (which I believe is an excellent preparedness measure).

And, BTW, there's a lot less "nuttiness" in our group than you'll encounter in most walks of life.

77 posted on 05/05/2012 6:09:03 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: panaxanax

In the sage words of that imminent Philospher, Lazamataz, ‘Bite me, troll.’


78 posted on 05/05/2012 6:26:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Rearden

naptha


79 posted on 05/05/2012 7:59:43 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Kartographer

Day one - “Ok, the power is out. Stuff happens.”

Day three - “Dang, the water and gas are out. This ain’t good.”

Day five - “I wish we had bought a battery powered radio - I have no idea how long this will last.” Or, “This radio must be busted - not even AM gets a signal.”

About day seven - “There are hordes of people approaching...”


80 posted on 05/06/2012 8:11:17 AM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: panaxanax
That guy actually said at the end part... Like I'm going to really tell you what I am doing.

He's the only one I believe. I think he was basically trying to tell people ... at least know your local flora; local foraging.

81 posted on 05/07/2012 10:04:27 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: blam

All my prepping stuff got lost in that boating accident along with all my guns and all my ammo.

We Freepers are very poor boatmen.


82 posted on 05/07/2012 10:10:35 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Kartographer

Its simple.
Do think a SMART Prepper would allow National Geographic to tell the world he has a stash, and what he has to defend it with?


83 posted on 05/07/2012 10:12:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: SVTCobra03
This has been a heated discussion among Evangelical Christians lately.

Matthew 24:45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food at the right time/in due season?

Considering the context of the chapter... Watch, watch, watch; know the time and season; comparing to days of Noah (who built an ark of safety)... I'd say it is scripturally appropriate to do as Jesus warned us to do (plainly in v 25: I have told you beforehand (some versions say I have warned you)).

84 posted on 05/07/2012 10:16:45 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Tarantulas
The Zombie Apocalypse isn’t quite the same when you are facing an emaciated family with a couple of kids, or maybe an infant.

Absolutely correct.

It's important to make a policy early on regarding how you will handle the situation when the emaciated family shows up on your doorstep. Make everyone agree on the policy and enforce it.

Very much like a lifeboat situation; pulling one too many people out of the water and into the boat dooms everyone aboard.

85 posted on 05/20/2012 8:24:02 PM PDT by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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