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Amish farm kids remarkably immune to allergies: study
Reuters ^ | May 4, 2012 | Kerry Grens

Posted on 05/04/2012 10:07:46 PM PDT by neverdem

Amish children raised on rural farms in northern Indiana suffer from asthma and allergies less often even than Swiss farm kids, a group known to be relatively free from allergies, according to a new study.

"The rates are very, very low," said Dr. Mark Holbreich, the study's lead author. "So there's something that we feel is even more protective in the Amish" than in European farming communities.

What it is about growing up on farms -- and Amish farms in particular -- that seems to prevent allergies remains unclear.

Researchers have long observed the so-called "farm effect" -- the low allergy and asthma rates found among kids raised on farms -- in central Europe, but less is known about the influence of growing up on North American farms.

Holbreich, an allergist in Indianapolis, has been treating Amish communities in Indiana for two decades, but he noticed that very few Amish actually had any allergies.

As studies on the farm effect in Europe began to emerge several years ago, Holbreich wondered if the same phenomenon might be found in the United States.

He teamed up with European colleagues to compare Swiss farming children and non-farming children to Amish kids in Indiana.

Amish families, who can trace their roots back to Switzerland, typically farm using methods from the 1800s and they don't own cars or televisions.

The researchers surveyed 157 Amish families, about 3,000 Swiss farming families, and close to 11,000 Swiss families who did not live on a farm -- all with children between the ages of six and 12.

They found that just five percent of Amish kids had been diagnosed with asthma, compared to 6.8 percent of Swiss farm kids and 11.2 percent of the other Swiss children.

Similarly, among 138 Amish kids given a skin-prick test to determine...

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KEYWORDS: allergy; amish; asthma; farmeffect; immunology
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To: neverdem

This is in Northern Indiana. There are vast fields of mint.


51 posted on 05/05/2012 4:52:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ramius
The report is not about ALL Amish kids ~ just those in Northern Indiana where, among other things, the prevailing winds from Illinois push Chicago's stench in on top of everybody.

We really do need more information.

BTW, raw milk eaters, if all Amish drink the stuff why aren't they all without allergies.

I think some of them cheat eh!

52 posted on 05/05/2012 4:57:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Right Wing Assault

Years ago, before we knew about the peanut allergy, they died ~ end of story. That’s why you didn’t hear about it.


53 posted on 05/05/2012 4:59:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tench_Coxe

I have personally observed Amish children walking barefoot in their family’s dairy corrals...


54 posted on 05/05/2012 4:59:29 AM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: ckilmer

Amen. They are also open to chiropractic, which can help with allergies.


55 posted on 05/05/2012 5:01:24 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: neverdem

I’m guessing 2 things:

Early exposure to a multitude of natural allergens from living a country life.

Consumption of relatively natural, unadulterated foods & drink.

I think science will ultimately find that young children need wide exposure to the natural world, not sheltering from it, in order to build the immunities they need in life. City living is inadequate to fortify a child to live in a dangerous world.


56 posted on 05/05/2012 5:13:35 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da

I would throw in a third - lots of physical exercise.


57 posted on 05/05/2012 5:27:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"penaut"

The peanut allergy problem totally amazes me. When I waa growing up in the fifties and sixties, that kind of allergy was totally unknown. I know it's real, but why? And if we have problems with allergies that were unknown twenty-thirty years previous, what new allergies will arise in the near future? Scary. Should we send everyone to the farm for a month or two when they're young?

58 posted on 05/05/2012 5:28:19 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Notwithstanding

According to the article, drinking raw milk did appear to have something to do with it.


59 posted on 05/05/2012 5:38:23 AM PDT by Ford4000
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To: Notwithstanding

You need to clean that up. Half your pictures and l8inks no longer work.


60 posted on 05/05/2012 5:39:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: goodwithagun

ChiroQUACKtic is a big scam.


61 posted on 05/05/2012 5:48:18 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: dirtboy

Absolutely!


62 posted on 05/05/2012 5:51:09 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: driftless2
I have known about this effect all my life. We now live in the city but go out of our way to have our kids spend tons of time in the country in the summer.

4 kids - not an allergy among them.

63 posted on 05/05/2012 5:51:25 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: TexasFreeper2009
And it's not JUST allergies, I hardly ever got sick as a kid period, and my kids are the same way.

In fact at one point my children's pediatrician thought we had moved or something since it had been so long since we had been in :) I said nope... they just never get sick much beyond a runny nose.

64 posted on 05/05/2012 5:53:20 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: driftless2

Actually, peanut allergies are frequently misdiagnosed. Statistically, the vast majority of people with peanut allergies are either misinformed (they don’t actually have allergies because of an incorrect diagnosis) or are victims of me-first parents (my kid is SPECIAL!).

I have a friend who supposedly has a child with a peanut allergy. They gave him a peanut and apparently he got red. To them, this means he has a life-threatening peanut allergy. I’m sure dozens of parents believe this about their children, but again statistics do not support this at all. Food allergies - real food allergies, that is - are responsible for about 150 deaths a year in the U.S. Yet I can guarantee that in any given elementary school, there are probably 50 children or more walking around with epi-pens because they’ve been conditioned to believe they can’t go near peanuts.

I am not convinced that peanut allergies are even increasing. I have said the same thing that you have - when I was growing up (in the 80’s) I had never even heard of a peanut allergy. Hell, even in high school I didn’t. Yet now it seems like 75% of all children born in the 90’s or later has a peanut allergy. That’s statistically not possible without a major environmental change. The most logical conclusion is that it’s nothing more than massive and frequent misdiagnosis. It also may be deliberate based on the lawyer-happy mentality of most people dealing with doctors.


65 posted on 05/05/2012 5:54:01 AM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: aruanan
from an early age their immune system receives a remarkable challenge by a wide range of antigens.

Human beings are not designed to live in sterile environments for extended periods of time. This seems to really shock some folks.

66 posted on 05/05/2012 5:56:16 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Obama is the hopium of the masses)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Oooh! A post-post spell checker! Where can I get me one? ;-)


67 posted on 05/05/2012 5:59:52 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: ckilmer

unpasteurized milk has been redefined by th EPA as illegal contraband.
Engaging in the production and sale of this dangerous substance has prompted the FBI to conduct undercover sting operations against these amish criminals!


68 posted on 05/05/2012 6:05:03 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Poison Pill
Human beings are not designed to live in sterile environments for extended periods of time. This seems to really shock some folks.

Around 9 months is about all.
69 posted on 05/05/2012 6:24:37 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: mylife

They also are not put into daycare from 6 weeks and do not attend school with hundreds of other kids who all have parents that work outside the home and bring germs back.

Schools are a giant soup of germs.


70 posted on 05/05/2012 6:33:03 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: neverdem
What it is about growing up on farms -- and Amish farms in particular -- that seems to prevent allergies remains unclear.

Exposure to every allergen you can think of from conception.

That which does not kill you makes you stronger.

71 posted on 05/05/2012 6:33:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Let’s hope exposure to Obama makes us stronger in the same way that exposure to Carter made us stonger by giving us the Reagan resurgence of America! No THAT is a change we can believe in! (Democrat grammar ends in a prepositon)


72 posted on 05/05/2012 6:43:00 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: aruanan

Were not Eloi... yet.


73 posted on 05/05/2012 6:43:40 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Obama is the hopium of the masses)
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To: Sacajaweau

My daughter is allergic to cat dander. She loves animals. We have animals. It takes her about two weeks to get used to one.

She only has reactions at other people’s houses.

Although I wish she would have a reaction to the new kitten in the house. He is my best friend, in the middle of the night, when he feels my hair MUST have a milk giving nipple somewhere......


74 posted on 05/05/2012 6:43:48 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Abby4116

More than we think.

I have eaten lunch w/Amish: iceberg lettuce in July, canned sauces, such as tomato, commercial lunch meat. I have also watched them in the grocery store: flour, sugar, canned vegetables, juices and out of season produce. Not all of them farm. Some have businesses.

My husband is a medical massage therapist. He has Amish clients. A lot of depression, which can manifest somatically and, of course, a lot of congenital conditions, such as cerebral palsy. They do use the medical system. Some have pacemakers, for example. One local pediatrician used to go out to a farm and give mass vaccinations such as MMR. Entire extended families would bring their kids. Back in the late 60s we had a local epidemic of measles and people remember. This doc and another one set up a clinic that caters to Amish. One even added a birthing area just for them. There is also a midwife who works almost exclusively w/Amish, utilizing an ultrasound. She will call the EMTs and get the mother to a hospital quickly if anything untoward happens.

Point being, that the Amish are no longer as isolated as people think.


75 posted on 05/05/2012 7:04:03 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Ramius
Did you really expect people to read all that?

Well, he definitely won the "hijack the thread spam war".

76 posted on 05/05/2012 7:05:03 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: All
It's the "Shoo-Fly" Pies


Builds Immunity ;>)

77 posted on 05/05/2012 7:10:03 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: reformedliberal

I should add that there was a severe outbreak of salmonella last summer in our Amish community. They had made homemade ice cream for a large gathering with raw eggs. There were a couple of really severe cases and many were hospitalized. A friend took van-load into the ER.


78 posted on 05/05/2012 7:13:27 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Notwithstanding

Really? Tell that to my back and two my two kids who’ve never been sick. With a free market economy, you would think there would be no chiropracters left if your assumption is true. Your purpose on this thread is to stir $hit up and get people arguing. I don’t know who peed in your Cheerios this morning but it wasn’t me.


79 posted on 05/05/2012 8:13:48 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: reformedliberal

The study was about Amish rural farm children having very low rates of allergies.


80 posted on 05/05/2012 8:14:00 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: goodwithagun

Snake oil has always sold well in a free market. So do lottery tickets. So do the scams sold on late night infomercials.

The free market is wonderful opportunity to sell sorts of things - including snake oil and chirquacktic to gullible people searching for a solution to what ails them. Gimmicks work. Just look at all the stuff that gets bought because its “free” or “up to 50% off and more” or “guaranteed”.


82 posted on 05/05/2012 9:22:37 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: Abby4116

Yes.

However, you posted that they ate little processed food. I gathered your point was addressed to allergies.

They do eat processed food. I added the other points because they were, IMO, germane to the idea that Amish live isolated from our culture. They do not, and I refer to my neighbors, who are Old Order, known locally as Shoeless Amish.

Subsequent posts referenced raw milk and other ideas. I added the raw egg information, because , again, IMO, it points out that even Amish-raised eggs, like milk, can carry disease.

Sorry if I strayed from post guidelines.


83 posted on 05/05/2012 9:24:34 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: flintsilver7

This peanut allergy thing, real or imagined, is not confined to this country. My wife has a nephew who lives in Scotland who has it. But I think you might be on to something as far as misdiagnosing these allergies. Similar to the mania for giving every kid , usually a boy, who can’t still still in the classroom a dose of Ritalin. Weird.


84 posted on 05/05/2012 11:00:12 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Notwithstanding

Keep stirring the crap around.


85 posted on 05/05/2012 11:00:30 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Scotswife
unpasteurized milk has been redefined by th EPA as illegal contraband

Isn't it also a pollutant since it has oil (fat) in it? If there's a milk spill, don't they call out the oil cleanup people?

86 posted on 05/05/2012 11:00:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Scotswife

epa-classifies-milk-as-pollutant

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/epa-classifies-milk-as-pollutant


87 posted on 05/05/2012 11:02:30 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

sadly...I don’t find that surprising.
sigh


88 posted on 05/05/2012 11:23:11 AM PDT by Scotswife
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89 posted on 05/05/2012 1:34:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Notwithstanding

Motion to strike. Cumulative.


90 posted on 05/05/2012 2:29:22 PM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: driftless2

They do that too - apparently being a boy is now some sort of illness.

As far as the peanut allergies go, they apparently do tests that cannot differentiate between an allergy to birch pollen (which is very common and not life-threatening) and an ingested peanut allergy. What’s worse, peanut allergies vary in severity and you can’t actually diagnose a life-threatening peanut allergy without feeding them peanuts.


91 posted on 05/05/2012 3:58:05 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: goodwithagun

It’s the raw milk farmers who stir crap around, LOL.


92 posted on 05/05/2012 4:09:01 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: Notwithstanding

You said that about 3 1/2 hours ago.


93 posted on 05/05/2012 4:33:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Scotswife

Engaging in the production and sale of this dangerous substance has prompted the FBI to conduct undercover sting operations against these amish criminals!
...........
so do you think the amish or the FBI is criminal


94 posted on 05/06/2012 7:47:31 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

The amish criminal? LOL.


95 posted on 05/06/2012 8:29:12 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: neverdem
I am not Amish but I grew up in much the same way. We had a cow, chickens, horse, dogs and cats. This was all in what is now central Houston but then it was out in the country. I drank unpasteurized milk and we had our own eggs and killed our own chickens. This was before air conditioning and we went barefoot all summer, also like Amish children.

Both my brother and I had terrible allergies(still do) and severe asthma. So much for fitting into this study.

96 posted on 05/07/2012 5:14:50 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: neverdem

Hormesis - the deadly enemy to a liberal’s perfect world.


97 posted on 05/07/2012 10:43:41 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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