Skip to comments.Why College Football Should Be Banned
Posted on 05/05/2012 6:28:24 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
In more than 20 years I've spent studying the issue, I have yet to hear a convincing argument that college football has anything do with what is presumably the primary purpose of higher education: academics.
That's because college football has no academic purpose. Which is why it needs to be banned. A radical solution, yes. But necessary in today's times.
Football only provides the thickest layer of distraction in an atmosphere in which colleges and universities these days are all about distraction, nursing an obsession with the social well-being of students as opposed to the obsession that they are there for the vital and single purpose of learning as much as they can to compete in the brutal realities of the global economy.
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>>My alma matter is Michigan State. <<
Sorry to hear that! </wink>
Seriously, you make a great point on grades. The NCAA requires athletes to be making steady progress towards their degree - 12 hours a semester. I knew people who slump around and do less than that and didn’t care much about their grades. But the athletes did. I remember a class I had my last year in college with a bunch of baseball players. Hell they were there more than I was and I made good grades!
We need to reform the institution of college but athletics is way down on the list of priorities.
Of course they had never won the Rose Bowl before that either.
On the other hand, Berkeley kept its football program, and they won the Rose Bowl as recently as 1938.
“... get these ape training programs off our colleges and off our campuses!”
“Our” college? “Our” campus? Which one do you own? Let me guess... you belonged to the chess club?
“Football is a violent sport which arms our society with a martial class of humans who may be called upon in time of conflict or strife. It also teaches group struggle on a level that is not even achievable by our economic competitors.”
That is an accurate statement however..
“Young men are brought to the peak of there athletic potential.”
Football players are nowhere close to the most athletic-gifted athletes in the world today. While they may be brought to their peak, their peak ain’t very high in most cases.
The men who are the best athletes would be the Tennis players. While it is not a contact sport, it requires more athleticism than any other sport out there due to the high level of fitness, hand-eye coordination and mental aptitude.
On top of that, it teaches independence and reliance on ones self.
Just saying ;)
I don’t know. Different people get different things. What do you get out of whatever activities you participate in? I’ll bet what you get out of one or more of them are things I couldn’t care less about — does that mean you should abandon those activities because *I* don’t value what you get out of it?
They don’t have to get anything out of it. They can do it for any reason or no reason at all. Why do you have a problem with that?
Leftists secretly agree, and that's why they have it out for the tribal warfare game of football. They want to destroy America. Football, religion, guns, and hunting make America strong, competitive advantages our envious foes do not have.
The next time you are in an airplane coming in for landing look out the window at American life below. It is amazing how many football fields and churches there are. We are a nation preparing to fight. Our biggest threat, and probably demise, is our domestic leftists slowly rotting America from the inside.
A top level safety has to be able to cover a very tall and fast wide receiver, and also be strong enough to stop the run and take on 205-250lb running backs running straight at you or around you depending on whether they are speed or power backs.
“I can not believe the foolishness I am hearing on this subject. Football is a violent sport which arms our society with a martial class of humans who may be called upon in time of conflict or strife. It also teaches group struggle on a level that is not even achievable by our economic competitors.”
Your entire post was spot on. 90% of my fellow Marines played high school football. There is something about shared suffering, struggle and acomplishment that brings a team or a unit closer together. Your teammates become family. If someone messes with one guy he ends up getting his ass kicked by all. Football has a place in our society. Buzz is just pissed he never had the cojones to play the game.
I own a share in ALL of the publicly funded ones.
Let me guess... you belonged to the chess club?
You say that like it would be a badge of shame. I don't think an intellectual pursuit like chess is any less deserving of respect than some talentless, neanderthal pursuit like football. I would guess that in all of human history, those who helped make the world a better place were far more often chess players than football gorillas.
Man for man, at the individual soldier level, the World War II German army was as good as any in modern times. Germany is a soccer playing country. Maybe we’d have better results here if we scrapped the gridiron game and played more real football like they do in Germany.
“.. I did play ball in high school. It kept me focused on my grades....”
Excellent point, Darren. My son plays high school football. How has this benefitted him? For one, the players have to stay eligible. That means, they have to have a decent GPA. If the player has any hopes of being considered by a Division 1, 1A, 2 or 3 school (partial or full scholarship) then their GPA/SAT’s better be outstanding. Secondly, a high school suspension means you are off the team. Period. Our high school players go out of their way to avoid any sort of confrontation so that they aren’t suspended. High school parties are all around them (literally every weekend). Want to know where the football players are on the weekends? They are home. They won’t go to a party for fear that people will be arrested for underage drinking/pot etc. They know with today’s access to cell phone cameras... the coach will find out if they drank a beer or smoked a joint. Their fear of parents is one thing... the fear that they will disappoint their coach is quite the other. They know they will let down an entire team.
Another point I would like to make is the simple training for the sport. It isn’t just one a days, and two a days. They take weight lifting as their gym, many belong to gyms with a trainer, and many meet after school to lift/work out. Want to see a level headed teenage boy? Let them run and lift weights till they are tired. The physical training levels them off in a way. They are just not tense after a healthy session. All of that teenage testosterone is guided into physical exercise.
Lastly, it is a team sport. You have the big guys, the thin/fast guys, the middle of the chart size guys. They have to come together and work together to succeed. My son’s team is quite diverse. Pretty much every religion, race, socio-economic background but one thing brings them together as equals. That is their team.
I’m speaking in averages here because of course their are outliers in every sport. That’s why the NFL exists! haha
Take, for example, high school football. The average high school football player is not very athletic and can barely catch a ball or cover a WR adequately.
In comparison, your average tennis player (Go to any country club with a training program for juniors) and you will see kids playing tennis for 4-5 hours per day, running drills, lifting weights, etc.
This brings me to my next point: For such an athletic group, it’s pretty sad that they can only play for 5-10 seconds before needing a break and oxygen.
Again, I speak in averages.
To those that say football does nothing to teach students about life..
From the Rutgers Family to the Bucs Family: Tampa Bay Signs LeGrand
LeGrand, who played for new Bucs Head Coach Greg Schiano at Rutgers, is once again serving as an inspiration to others with spinal cord injuries
Eric LeGrand is, in his own words, an athlete. Is, not was.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers understand that. On Tuesday, the Buccaneers signed LeGrand to their 90-man offseason roster, adding him to a team full of accomplished athletes.
Why is this remarkable, one roster move during a long offseason of countless team-building maneuvers? Because LeGrand is currently in a wheelchair and hasn’t walked in 19 months. On October 16, 2010, he was paralyzed from the neck down while tackling Army kick returner Malcolm Brown in a game played at Giants Stadium.
LeGrand was and is a part of the Rutgers Scarlet Knights family. The Buccaneers and especially their head coach, Greg Schiano, understand that. Schiano was the head coach at Rutgers from 2001-11, which means he recruited LeGrand, helped shape him into a young man and a football player and exulted in his successes. And it means he was there when LeGrand fell stiffly to the Giants Stadium turf and didn’t get up, and he was there at his hospital bed that evening and he will remain there for every step forward LeGrand takes in his recovery and his life.
LeGrand believes some of those steps will be literal ones. He was told after his injury that he would never come off the ventilator he was attached to in the hospital. He left the ventilator behind after five weeks. He was told he would never walk again and he doesn’t believe that either.
Last October, a year after his injury as he engaged in the early stages of therapy to regain the ability to walk, LeGrand told SI.com’s Jon Wertheim that his goal was to visit the spot on the Giants Stadium field where he was hurt, lie down there once again, and then get back up and walk away. He also told Wertheim that he believed the strength he had developed in his body as a college football player was aiding him in his rehabilitation efforts.
It is the strength of LeGrand’s will, however, that prompted the Buccaneers to sign him to their roster. If Tampa Bay’s personnel department developed a scouting report on LeGrand, as they do on all players they are considering signing, the first line was surely: “Will never quit.”
LeGrand was just a junior when he suffered his injury, so it’s impossible to predict if his football path would have ended in the NFL under other circumstances. At the time, he had played in 31 games and recorded 60 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks and three fumble recoveries. Still, his signing with the Buccaneers this spring is still the fulfillment of a dream, as it allows him to bring attention to the issue of spinal cord injuries and the ongoing research to find a cure. LeGrand’s unfailingly positive attitude has amazed many, but he draws strength from his desire to be an inspiration to others who suffer similar injuries.
Leading up to the draft, I couldnt help but think that this shouldve been Erics draft class, said Schiano. This small gesture is the least we could do to recognize his character, spirit, and perseverance. The way Eric lives his life epitomizes what we are looking for in Buccaneer Men.
A year ago, in Rutgers’ 2011 spring semester, LeGrand resumed his studies via Skype and he has also continued to be an impactful member of the Rutgers football team. Last October, just over a year after his injury, he led Coach Schiano and the Rutgers team onto the field at their home stadium before a game against West Virginia. LeGrand also joined his fellow seniors on the field for Senior Day festivities prior to kickoff of a win over Cincinnati on November 19.
LeGrand’s signing with the Buccaneers is only the latest way that he has inspired others across the nation since his injury. His courage and determination has garnered national attention, such as his appearance on the cover of Sports Illustrated shortly before his return to the football field last fall. In the magazine’s 2011 year-end issue, that return was voted SI’s Moment of the Year. LeGrand received the Most Courageous Athlete Award from New Jersey Sports Writers Association in January and will also receive the Unsung Hero Award at the New Jersey Hall of Fame induction ceremony on June 9 for his representation of courage, strength and character.
LeGrand is planning to graduate next fall with a degree in labor studies and most recently partnered with IMG to help him transition to the broadcasting booth. You can follow Erics remarkable recovery through his very active Twitter feed @EricLeGrand52.
“Excellent point, Darren. My son plays high school football. How has this benefitted him? For one, the players have to stay eligible. That means, they have to have a decent GPA. If the player has any hopes of being considered by a Division 1, 1A, 2 or 3 school (partial or full scholarship) then their GPA/SATs better be outstanding.”
High school academics are a joke. When I graduated high school 4 years ago, I had a 4.32 weighted GPA, was taking all AP/honors, and I slept through school or just skipped. I never did any work and never applied myself. Aced the SAT too without studying.
“They wont go to a party for fear that people will be arrested for underage drinking/pot etc. They know with todays access to cell phone cameras... the coach will find out if they drank a beer or smoked a joint. Their fear of parents is one thing... the fear that they will disappoint their coach is quite the other. They know they will let down an entire team.”
No offense meant but that’s a load of BS. Unless high school has changed in the last 4 years since I graduated, this is false.
In my state (NC) football players are routinely getting A) High, B) Drunk, C) Arrested. It’s a given that they’re out at parties Friday-Sunday.
But what gets me is how some people can't discuss the issue without getting personal, can't talk about the issues without getting into Bissinger's appearance or speculating about his own school experiences.
Is that a sign that they don't have any real arguments or just don't want to think seriously about the topic at all?
“... those who helped make the world a better place were far more often chess players than football gorillas”.
You are right, IJ. The chess type players were the people who left England to come to America. The chess type players were also the ones to fight in the Revolution. I am sure close to 100% of the men fought on Iwo Jima were chess players. Google West Point and Naval Academy football players. An interesting person was Pete Dawkins (West Point class of 1959). Brigadier General, Heisman Tophy Maxwell award winner, Rhodes Scholar, Ph.D from Princeton, paratrooper, recipient of two Bronze Stars during Vietnam, and the only cadet in history to be a Brigadier Commander, President of his class, captain of the football team and a “Star Man” (top 5% of his class academically. Your issue is that you see black and white. A man with strong athletic ability cannot possess intellect. An intelligent man cannot possess strong athletic quality. Check mate.
That may be your perspective, Black Shark. It isn’t mine and it isn’t the way our high school handles its football players. Perhaps it is a difference between different states. If what you are saying is true... the coach takes partial blame. IMHO.
It is tough to stop the elitists when they take on a cause. They just can’t stand that a bunch of red necks from Alabama arebringing in more money to their university than NYU or Columbia... and that someone like Nick Saban, the leader of the rednecks that couldn’t ever hold a conversation in any of their intellectual cocktail parties discussing the latest social theories, makes more money than any or them. I’ll bet if Harvard was the national football powerhouse, they’d be fine with it.
How many wars has Germany won? Soccer was invented by the British as a non-violent team sports alternative and imposed it on their territories so they wouldn't develop war fighting skills. All soccer teaches someone is how to throw down their arms and run for their lives.
I don’t think it can be banned outright, but it can be gradually downgraded to the point it loses many of its most repulsive characteristics.
Probably the most damaging thing that could be done to it would be to prohibit televised games. While initially this would result in much better box office at the games themselves, that would soon only remain for the best teams.
Downgrading from there would be a lot easier.
I agree 100% and perhaps your school is different.
I do know that our high school hired a coach and gave him A) A house and B) a car and that we actively recruited players from all over the state.
Your point has some merit IMO.
Germany took down the Roman Empire ;)
The Germans are a naturally violent people so we should be thankful that they DON’T play football! Otherwise, they very may kick our butts in the future haha
It may not have been pure, but it was a heck of a lot better than it is today. At least back 30, 40 or so years ago, you knew when the games would kick off (afternoon around 1:30, night games around 7:30). None of this 11 AM or 9PM garbage.
You got to admit it would be interesting to see
a football game between the Womyn’s studies and
the radical african liberation groups.
Dweebs against Lesbians?
Engineers against sociologists?
Liberals serve no academic or useful purpose. Can we ban them?
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Who should do the banning?
By what authority?
“Man for man, at the individual soldier level, the World War II German army was as good as any in modern times. Germany is a soccer playing country. Maybe wed have better results here if we scrapped the gridiron game and played more real football like they do in Germany.”
Yeah and we kicked their asses because we play American Football. What better results are you talking about?
The American fighting man didn’t lose Viet Nam, or Korea. The politicians did. The American fighting man is still the best warrior on the face of the planet.
The wussification of America begins with soccer. No one wants to see a game played by a bunch of lawn fairies.
The shame of college football is that they won’t pay their players. Or allow them to make money from endorsements. Why is that?
Because they don’t want to share the billions from college football with the actual wealth generators.
How does that square with the free market?
Let’s retire the fiction that at the big schools, there’s such a thing as a student- athlete. There are students and there are athletes. Football at a big school is a sixty-hour-a-week job.
Of what use to them is their free degree in Communications? They’re never in a classroom or the library — football at that level and getting an education are incompatible.
And so what? Talent is talent; let them make some money. Most of these guys will never make the NFL. They will never have a better opportunity to make money with their skills than while they are college football stars.
What I’d like to see happen is every single big school football team go on strike simultaneously. The NCAA should work for THEM, not the other way round.
Pay them. And let them sell their names to Nike.
The system we have now is un-American.
The NCAA is located here in Indianapolis. Like many “non-profits” they have a palatial hq building and a multitude of well paid bureaucrats and major domos.
I agree. And eventually there will be a lawsuit. If College Football didn't exist, NFL will be forced to establish the minor leagues for their top prospects. And they'll get paid while they're training for "The Show" just like in baseball.
American football isn’t going away anytime soon. But will we continue to see white kids from middle and upper classes continue to play football? I think not. That’s where talent is going to dry up.....we won’t see as many talented Quarterbacks, Offensive Linemen and Tight Ends in the future, just my .02.
I’m not sure I understand your thesis.
Here in the midwest I see interest in hs football in largely white middle/upper class suburbs at an all time high.
Not yet. But let’s wait until we get the full autopsy on Junior Seau. If it’s proven that football is a probable factor that caused his suicide. Then look out.
you's gotta unlax.
... it's only a cartoon.
Not able to hide his predicament behind pads, helmets, TV timeouts, change of possessions or two minute warnings, Butcher just got a bandage and kept playing until the end of the game when he, his bandage and uniform were all bloody.
And Butcher's team won the game.
There's nothing wrong about favoring certain sports over others but I think we step on shaky ground when we broadly brush moral virtues or failures merely because of what team sport somebody happens to play or be good at.
Audie Murphy was 5'5", 110 pounds. Had he been rich enough to attend high school, he wouldn't have been big enough to succeed on the gridiron and he might even have been a prospective target of ridicule by "school jocks".
I have to say that the lack of scoring is often an easy turn off to people who grew up watching American sports.
“I agree. And eventually there will be a lawsuit.”
I’ve often thought that one avenue of attack in the courts might be through state commissions that enforce labor laws. Here in CA, they’re pretty strict — high minimum wage, and you MUST pay overtime after eight hours — you don’t get to say, “Oh, sixty hours is a normal workweek for our industry.”
If players went after colleges as their employers — and I think it would be fairly easy to establish that colleges are in fact their employers — required hours, duties, etc. — that would open the door to requiring that these guys be paid plus overtime, and that extralegal rules forbidding them from accepting payment could be challenged on old (but still on the books) slavery laws.
Seems like some smart hungry labor lawyer would have pursued this a long time ago. Stands to make gazillions in a class-action suit.
I’m not saying these guys ain’t ateletes, or their not hard in their own right, but American football is a sport unlike any other. I realize soccer is the most popular sport in the world but Americans are different. We tend to take more chances, and for some reason we have evolved into a warrior society. Think about it. The most revered people in our society are miiitary, cops and firefighters. Football has surpassed baseball for one simple reason, the majority of us are or want to be warriors. It’s that basic.
I said that? I believe it was you who suggested that I must have been "in the chess club" because I opposed football on college campuses. Besides the glaring non sequitur, you're also guilty of putting words in my mouth.
My stance is that football -- athletics in general -- are not proper sponsored activities in an academic setting. I don't care how many manly men are football players; that has nothing to do with the argument. Those men would have been manly -- and presumably have demonstrated the same qualities of leadership and courage -- regardless of the setting in which they indulged their passion for sports. How does that argue in favor of football on campus?
More like Fool's Mate. And you're playing Black.
Unless that football player has too many frequent head injuries.
Point taken, agreed.
Well then by that logic, Stalin should have been a football player right?
(nice job with the photo shop by the way!)
“I don’t hire anyone because of their soul”
Don’t be surprised when your are paying through the teeth because of pilferage, frivolous lawsuits or lost customers due to a lack of ethical behavior by the employees you get based on your hiring standard. Also don’t be surprised when no on is willing to throw themselves into the the phalanx during the next crisis your company faces.
Am I supposed to believe that honesty, ethical behavior, and courage are the sole province of football players? That there is no other source of such virtues except the gridiron? And that football players are paragons of such virtues? And that it is the place of our colleges to teach such values?
I should have thought such moral lessons were better taught in church.
Go back and read what you wrote. You referred to football student athletes as gorillas. You focused entirely on their athletic ability and eliminated any sort of academic potential or leadership ability they may have. You were the one, sir, who focused entirely on the assumption that pure academics/book smart intellect is what made this Country great. Again, check mate. Have a good day.
Do you for an instant doubt the truth of that statement?
By the way, you don't win a chess game by simply declaring checkmate. You have to actually CHECKMATE your opponent. And not just in your own mind ...
From the article:
... those who helped make the world a better place were far more often chess players than football gorillas. Do you for an instant doubt the truth of that statement?”
Yes, I doubt the truth of that statement. The world has become a better place based on two types of individuals IMHO. The people gifted with intellect and the people gifted with athletic ability. (some people are gifted with both). For example, for every strategic brilliant General... you need the men with courage and physical athletic ability to carry out his plan and win a battle.
Your posts contain these quotes, “Get these ape-training programs out of our colleges”, “I don’t believe we should be training these... performers”, and “...Football gorillas”. I am afraid that you were the one who resorted to name calling, sir. You were the one who ridiculed college athletes and demeaned them by referring to them as animals and unintelligent. Frankly, you bore me. You attempt to impress others with your so called intellect. What you don’t see is that you are closed minded and jealous. Yes, jealous. Instead of seeing that people have different gifts and abilities, you demean those who aren’t just like you. Closed minded people are so transparent. For the record, I am not athletic. I never have been. However, I admire the work ethic and athletic ability that athletes obtain. (whether that is football, swimming, soccer, whatever...). Again, have a nice day.
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