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UN: USA should return stolen land to Indian tribes...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/04/us-stolen-land-indian-tribes-un ^

Posted on 05/05/2012 9:22:37 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08

A United Nations investigator probing discrimination against Native Americans has called on the US government to return some of the land stolen from Indian tribes as a step toward combatting continuing and systemic racial discrimination. James Anaya, the UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, said no member of the US Congress would meet him as he investigated the part played by the government in the considerable difficulties faced by Indian tribes.

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To: kosciusko51

One day (perhaps very soon), “blue helmets” will be the new symbol displayed on vehicles, like swastikas/zeros were displayed on WWII aircraft. Heh...

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/military_fighter_pilots/fighter-pilot-wwii.jpg


51 posted on 05/05/2012 10:16:50 AM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Yep. Start with Manhattan...


52 posted on 05/05/2012 10:17:22 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

S. James Anaya is the American James J. Lenoir Professor of Human Rights Law and Policy at the University of Arizona's James E. Rogers College of Law. In March 2008, he was appointed by the United Nations as its Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of Indigenous Peoples.

Gee, why do I think that he might have a potential bias in this case? (Hint) He appears to have suspiciously high cheekbones, and we know what that means, right?

53 posted on 05/05/2012 10:17:52 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: TsonicTsunami08; All

The same UN to which MR seems to have a certain loyalty?

Rubio Praises U.N., World Bank, IMF for Not Asserting ‘Narrow American Interests’

By Michael W. Chapman
April 25, 2012

. . . Rubio spoke about foreign policy at the Brookings Institution, in Washington, Wednesday, April 25, 2012. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)

(CNSNews.com) – Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.),. . . lauded the United Nations, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for following their respective visions instead of asserting “narrow American interests” in a speech today on U.S. foreign policy.

. . . In remarks at the liberal Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., Rubio sketched the advances made globally since the end of World War II as a result of America’s leadership.

“The purpose of the institutions we established, from the United Nations to the World Bank and the IMF was to spread peace and prosperity, not to assert narrow American interests,” said Sen. Rubio.


54 posted on 05/05/2012 10:21:15 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Navy Patriot
*** Nuts, no more cowboys and injuns? ***

That's okay. We're grown up now.

We'll play 'Cowboys and U.N. Peacekeepers' instead.

Or, 'Cowboys and U.N. Anything'
;-)

55 posted on 05/05/2012 10:23:52 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Note to UN:

You have thirty days to vacate your offices which are located on stolen Indian land. We will be turning the building into a casino and your presence is not advisable.

Have a nice day,

Chief Dances With Diplomats


56 posted on 05/05/2012 10:31:09 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08
Actually the famous sale of Manhattan to the Dutch was the first recorded American scam. The Indians who got the payment didn't even claim the land. Unbeknownst to the Dutch it "belonged" to another tribe altogether.
57 posted on 05/05/2012 10:32:16 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: TsonicTsunami08

The UN needs to mind it own #@$! business!


58 posted on 05/05/2012 10:40:56 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: SES1066

Not really. Sort of close, but not exactly. It’s 10/32 or 5/16.


59 posted on 05/05/2012 11:00:24 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: RWGinger
I don't recall hearing that the native American tribes considered they “owned” the land, rather they used it for their well being and may have indeed included expelling other tribes.

Native America “Indians” certainly believed the victor deserved the spoils. What should change that? They did not voluntarily do so.

60 posted on 05/05/2012 11:14:16 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

“I think we should give it back also and then they push the UN building right into the East River. “

Yep. Most liberal strongholds are cities. Propose to make Manhattan, or DC, or Chicago a gift back to the Indians. Let’s see if liberals are willing to sacrifice for their ideology.


61 posted on 05/05/2012 11:14:51 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Heck, lets give them NYC, Boston,Chicago, Philladelphia, Detroit, LA, and San Fran. That ought to do it!! Oh yes and all of Vermont!!


62 posted on 05/05/2012 11:16:09 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Now we knosw why Elizabeth Warren was claiming to be part Indian she knew this crap was coming down.


63 posted on 05/05/2012 11:16:09 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Opps forgot DC, how about All of OR, and Wash St. too!


64 posted on 05/05/2012 11:19:06 AM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Let's get the hell rid of Zero)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not in Texas!

Nobama knows there are many here who are prepared to fight again like the Alamo.

Now if somehow nobama re-wins and the dems regain House and Senate majorities, the rest of you all will deserve whatever you are willing to put up with.


65 posted on 05/05/2012 11:19:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: C210N

She can give them Cambridge,Newton,and Brookline.(And I live in one of them)


66 posted on 05/05/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

My advice to all Injuns: assimilate, or go extinct.

My advice to the UN: go extinct.


67 posted on 05/05/2012 11:34:16 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: cripplecreek

Which Turtle Bay?


68 posted on 05/05/2012 11:37:42 AM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Army Air Corps

“——they are silent on member states that are commiting wholesale murder against racial minorities as I type this response.”

Yup! I wonder of they’ve checked out Zimbabwe recently?


69 posted on 05/05/2012 11:41:44 AM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Levante

After they pay all their parking tickets.


70 posted on 05/05/2012 12:20:14 PM PDT by dnandell (I don't need no stinkin' tagline)
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To: TsonicTsunami08; All

To the UN: Yeah, Right after all the Arab nations return all the land belonging to Israel!!!!


71 posted on 05/05/2012 12:30:56 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Army Air Corps
In almost every thread that has anything to do with American Indians, there is always one or two people that bring up that before the White Man came the tribes were waring and killing each other anyway. There is a big difference, though, in that and what the Whites did.

The white people called them blood thirsty, godless savages among other things and decided to tame them with guns and bibles, put them in concentration camps "for their own protection" while they took their lands and opened them up to white settlers. Now here is the difference: If indeed the Indians were godless blood thirsty savages and killing their neighbors for land and dominance, that was a way of life that they always knew WHEREAS the White man was civilized , had God and supposedly a moral civilization. The conclusion to me is the White sin was a thousand times worse than what the Indians have always done in time immemorial.

72 posted on 05/05/2012 12:32:51 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: RWGinger
Well how do the various “ tribes” give back land they stole from other tribes?

When Lewis and Clark found the Sioux living on the middle reaches of the Missouri River, it was because the Ojibway were sitting on the ancestral Sioux lands north of the Great Lakes, having driven the Sioux out to starve. They would have, too, except for their discovery of the horse and the High Plains buffalo herds.

73 posted on 05/05/2012 12:49:38 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TsonicTsunami08
Without reading the replies, I'm probably late to the party. If not, let's make a list of lands stolen going all the way back to when homo sapiens took territory from the Neanderthals and include those who deserve reparations for conquest. Not being a history expert, I'll start in no certain order and hopefully got most right. Feel free to correct me or add to the list:

1. England owes Scotland and Ireland;
2. Romans owe the known world of the time;
3. Egyptians owe the Israelites (Jews);
4. England owes just about everyone during its reign;
5. Germany owes much of Europe, USA, parts of Africa, and Russia;
6. Japan owes much of Asia and the USA;
7. Persia owes Greece;
8. Mongols owe central Asia and eastern Europe;
9. France owes Britain and much of Europe;
10. Spain owes the Aztecs and parts of Europe;
11. Apaches owe the Navajos.
12. Navajo owe the Sioux;
13. Sioux owe the Cherokee and take it east...
14. Mexico owes indian natives;
15. Russia owes countries of the Soviet Bloc;
16. China owes parts of Asia;
17. Ottoman Empire owes central Asia and eastern Europe;
18. Eastern Europe owes each other;
19. Vikings owe Newfoundland and parts of Scandinavia;
20. Many African nations owe each other;
21. Many European nations owe African nations;
22. Italians owe the Allied countries;
23. Middle East nations owe each other;

Really? How far back do we have to go? When homo sapiens left their caves to fight with other homo sapiens? At what point to we declare that conquest is over and the lines of nations are now drawn and live with it (except for the rare few)?

74 posted on 05/05/2012 12:51:23 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: savedbygrace

I want something!


75 posted on 05/05/2012 12:54:54 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Unbeknownst to the Dutch [Manhattan Island] "belonged" to another tribe altogether.

LOL! I hadn't heard that one. God, don't tell Russel Means! He'll be furious!

Talk about getting things off to a good start .....

76 posted on 05/05/2012 12:55:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: dnandell

Bwahahaha! I agree!


77 posted on 05/05/2012 1:00:32 PM PDT by Levante
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To: fish hawk

Much of what you describe are actions carried out by the Federal Gooberment and a range of self-serving politicians. The reservation system? Thank Uncle Fed for that. Trail of Tears? Thank that genocidal fascist Andrew Jackson. Even now, the Feds treat American Indians like children.


78 posted on 05/05/2012 1:04:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: fish hawk
Now here is the difference: If indeed the Indians were godless blood thirsty savages and killing their neighbors for land and dominance, that was a way of life that they always knew WHEREAS the White man was civilized , had God and supposedly a moral civilization.

If you think the Comanche suffered overmuch at the hands of the Scots-Irish, perhaps you should read what the Scots-Irish had done to the Irish. As the saying went, when the Scots-Irish first landed in Ireland, "They fell on their knees and prayed to God. Then they fell on the natives, and preyed on them."

You argue that the Red men did as they had always done. So did the white man -- ask anyone who teaches European and Asian history. Ask any Zulu, ask any Turk or Arab. Siege of Acre, anyone? -- that was pretty stringent. Or are we just talking massacres? Five or six in Ireland alone, in a 600-year span ending 250 years ago. Which is about when the "puttings down" in Scotland, by the English, ended. And don't forget the hundreds of thousands of Cypriot pagans put to death by the Arabs in the 9th century, or the millions of Hindus killed by the caliphs and sharifs. Your average Arab imam or sharif wouldn't even get out of bed on a day when he didn't feel up to killing 20,000 Hindus.

79 posted on 05/05/2012 1:09:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: fish hawk

Depends on the tirbes in question, no? Some tribes were focused on agriculture and inhabited a fixed area. Some tribes were very nomadic. Some peaceful and some would make scare the crap out of a Conquistador. There is a big difference between, for example, the Zuni and the Comanche. One can no more lump together all American Indians any more than one can lump together all Europeans.


80 posted on 05/05/2012 1:09:24 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
"Doesn’t the UN have member states that currently butcher racial minorities wholesale?"

Yes, on the Human Rights Commission.

81 posted on 05/05/2012 1:27:02 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Ummm...I thought it was unknown in the Native American ideology for Man to own land. If so, how is it possible to steal what is not owned?"

Been watching "Dances With Wolves" too many times? Kidding. At the least, the different tribes recognized regional territory and butchered and raped and enslaved each other over territory. They were no more noble than the warring whites of Europe, they were just weaker when the Europeans arrived. Although, I will agree that when they said "I give up", the US fedgov screwed them many times.

It was a time when nations and peoples would conquer and build empires. It's long gone and time for everyone to get over it, except for some nations in Africa who still enslave, murder, rape, and war. Where's the UN outrage regarding Sudan, Chad, Congo, Somalia, Ethiopia, Rwanda, and others in Africa?

The self-righteous UN has no concern about them. They focus their outrage on whites and especially on Israel and on the so-called plight of few American Indians on reservations who don't want to join American society who live on the tax-payers. Sheesh, the various tribes are opening casinos every where in California and making a fortune. Boohoo.

That said, it was one of my greatest pleasures when some 100 of us bikers were invited to the Navajo Nation Capitol (Window Rock) on the way to the annual Rolling Thunder event in DC. They treated us with the upmost respect and lined the streets as we made our way to Capitol grounds. I will never forget the site of so many waving American flags and cheering us on. I get choked up just thinking about it.

As I've always said, some cultures are just better than others for the advancement of civilization and that includes the Navajos. The Navajos are a very patriotic people. Remember the code talkers in the pacific campaign in WWII? Their contribution saved thousands of GI's, which they were also. I salute them. The others who want to whine on their reservations and such tax-payer dollars, not much.

82 posted on 05/05/2012 2:09:41 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
Been watching "Dances With Wolves" too many times?

Guilty as charged, you Honor. When it is on it is difficult to turn the channel.

83 posted on 05/05/2012 2:18:11 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Nice try but for one thing. I did not see in your post anything about all the people you are talking about were supposed to be good high moral civilized Christian people who carried a Bible around with them but the Indians were uneducated, godless savages. You don't get the difference and the significance of their crime? Let me put it this way, an animal sniffs around scrounging for food and pisses on a tree and gets into a death struggle with another animal. while a Man , educated and civilized with a religion and God should be a little above that, don't you think?
84 posted on 05/05/2012 2:40:32 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Yup...F the UN...get them the hell out of Manhattan. They have no right to be there. Period. A Bloody Period! It is time to rescind ‘Free Speech’ on that part of Manhattan where that ugly monstrosty we call the UN resides.


85 posted on 05/05/2012 2:47:50 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Army Air Corps
I don't think that mattered much to those Whites that killed men, women , and children and said things like “nits breed lice” and “the only good Indian is a dead Indian”. Hell , the Modoc war in N. Calif. started when some Warm Springs Indians were starving and killed a farmers beef to eat and the neighbors all got together to go “pay them back”. The first Indians they ran into were some peaceful Modocs. They killed them all because they were Indians and after all Indians stole their cow. Yes the tribes were different but to a White in those days, the only good indian was a dead Indian. Not so bad being Indian today, Hell, College professors and politicians are all claiming to be Indian.
86 posted on 05/05/2012 2:49:01 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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First of all, the UN absolutely should butt out....however...

The various Indian nations who fought over territory didn’t have written treaties with each other as were finally established with the US government. Treaties, according to our Constitution, are supposed to be the “supreme law of the land.”

Many of those treaties had compensatory provisions or promises which have not been kept, or are in default...as in back payment due.

Much of the land in Western states (for some socialist reason) is owned by the federal government and leased to ranchers.

If it can be shown that the federal government indeed owes certain Indian groups compensation, I’d much rather see that real estate in the hands of Indians than the frigging US government. And certainly not in the hands of some foreign power (like China for example)

If I remember correctly, traditional established Indian Nations are supposed to be just that....sovereign nations.


87 posted on 05/05/2012 3:11:06 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Return Europe to the Neanderthals.


88 posted on 05/05/2012 3:11:50 PM PDT by bsdsan
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To: fish hawk
So, from a specific case (an egregious one, to be sure), you craft a generalisation about “Whites”. How is this different from those who generalise about all Indians based on a specific case?
89 posted on 05/05/2012 4:00:03 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I agree.


90 posted on 05/05/2012 4:01:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: fish hawk
Not so bad being Indian today, Hell, College professors and politicians are all claiming to be Indian.

Who would want to claim Ward Churchill? ;-)
91 posted on 05/05/2012 4:05:30 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: fish hawk
....to a White in those days, the only good indian was a dead Indian.

Now, why did they have that attitude? Let me tell you a little story.

One day in the 1870's, about the time the Sioux rose (I couldn't tell you which time), some Indians -- don't know what tribe, which band -- massacred a farm family who'd committed the grievous offense of farming while white, and minding their own business while white. Men all mutilated, women raped and then mutilated, children just mutilated, everybody scalped and dead. My great-grandfather, a young Irish kid who'd come out from Indianapolis where his daddy was a hotelier and his brothers were drunks in Daddy's hotel bar, was a white scout for George Armstrong Custer's Seventh Cavalry -- yes. The Seventh. They mostly shot buffalo, rode with the troops, and tried to stay out of trouble.

They heard about the farmstead massacre, so they rode on out to see about it. A baby boy was unaccounted for (I do seem to recall it was a boy), and it was thought that one of the raiding band had taken it with them.

Riding out following the Indians' trail, they spotted an Indian woman, a young woman not a squaw, sitting by herself under a tree -- nobody else around, all by herself, except that she had a baby with her. A white baby: they'd found the missing baby. They rode up to where the young woman was sitting, dandling the baby, and my great-grandfather looked down at her and she looked up at him. He said afterward he'd never forget the look in her eyes -- cold, black, bottomless wells of enmity and implacability. And without even looking down at the baby, in a twinkling she produced a knife and in one, fast movement, gutted that baby from crotch to neck, just eviscerated him. Great-grandfather said he didn't know how many times he and his companions shot her, but it was a bunch: they shot her to pieces.

That was what it was like to meet an Indian on the High Plains in the 1870's, if you were white. Now take the rest of it, and shove it. Not buying any of the white guilt you're selling.

92 posted on 05/05/2012 4:24:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: All

LOL, yeah that will happen

How bout we give them the UN building in Manhattan and kill two birds with one stone?


93 posted on 05/05/2012 4:59:14 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Dallas59

yeah, you betcha


94 posted on 05/05/2012 5:13:40 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Dallas59
"Good! I’m 1/3 Cherokee."

So...you had 2 mommies?...or 2 daddies? Help me with the math here.

95 posted on 05/05/2012 5:37:51 PM PDT by cookcounty (We need Newt. The Black Belt Jaw-jitsu Master!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You forgot to mention WHY were those white people in that area to start with. Oh, it was Indian territory and they were trespassing. I believe people trespassing on your land, killing your food, attacking your camps might just piss you off a bit, no? Sometimes it just makes me sick to hear the total snake venom excuses some of you use to justify your atrocities. I use the present tense “your atrocities” because you have no remorse and would have done the same thing had you lived back then.


96 posted on 05/05/2012 6:28:06 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: fish hawk
I use the present tense “your atrocities” because you have no remorse

At seeing a baby butterfly-filletted? You bet your ass, no remorse.

97 posted on 05/05/2012 6:36:10 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TsonicTsunami08
Manhattan may have been purchased for about $24 in beads and trinkets, but the Dutch paid the wrong tribe! The tribe they paid had no claim to Manhattan, but the Indians figured, “Hey, if these dumb White men are giving us cool stuff for free, let's take it.” It wasn't until later the Dutch found out they'd been duped and bought off the real owners — at a higher price. In this small way, the die was cast for today's NY Donkey Party.
98 posted on 05/05/2012 6:36:43 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Been watching "Dances With Wolves" too many times?"

"Guilty as charged, you Honor. When it is on it is difficult to turn the channel."

It is actually a very well done movie. I also watch when it comes on. Interesting as I told others on another thread, the great plains Sioux were the least of the settlers problems for many years.

Like in the movie, Pawnee and other tibes were just blood-thirsty and were intolerant of other tribes. Pick your Indian.

But yet, they are all the "noble" peoples of America as recently portrayed in movies, while they murdered, butchered, raped, enslaved their neighboring tribes. While they often got a bad deal from the then US Fedgov (who doesn't), they were simple savages who couldn't progress from the stone age.

But they got casinos.

99 posted on 05/06/2012 1:44:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Give Constantinople, Egypt, and North Africa back to the Christians first.


100 posted on 05/08/2012 5:39:26 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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