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The bone-shattering truth: U.S. football is doomed
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 04, 2012 | John Kass

Posted on 05/05/2012 1:03:49 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

With the apparent suicide of NFL great Junior Seau, who played 20 years in the world's most violently glamorous sport, American football is dying.

It's about time. The nationally televised gambling and meat-rendering factory cannot survive without new players.

And the parents of future players are asking themselves this:

Is football worth it for my child?

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To: MinorityRepublican

After reading the thread. I have come away with Two things. First fags don’t like football, and secondly nothing manly comes out of Chicago.


101 posted on 05/05/2012 4:36:15 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: freedumb2003
Well, that 3-down, field wider than God, children’s version, abomination of “Football” played in Canada can and should be killed.

I'm sure that many Canadians feel the same way about our 4-down, field narrower than a parking space, children’s version, abomination of “Football”.

102 posted on 05/05/2012 5:20:11 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: martin_fierro

That ain’t football. That’s foreplay.


103 posted on 05/05/2012 5:21:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: elpadre
IMO the percentage of mental type injuries among all players is very small, tiny

It's difficult to say, because increased awareness is an element (quite possibly a large factor) in this.

I've heard enough people who know that the players are bigger, faster, stronger than ever before, and the pads and helmets turn the entire body into an airborne weapon.

I'd like to get this turned around before someone dies on the field (as a result of a hit). 2 years ago, Eagles MLB Stewart Bradley took such a shot to the head that he literally staggered towards the wrong sideline, and was back on the field two plays later (I believe he was then benched the rest of the game).

One of the big issues is that every player down to the lowest levels (grade school) have been, and are taught to hit high. How do you suddenly change the game back to where it was in the 60's and 70's? I guess that's why Roger Goodell and his ilk get paid 20 million a year...

104 posted on 05/05/2012 5:23:14 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No Way!

Gues UFC isn’t far behind?


105 posted on 05/05/2012 5:35:44 PM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This a sad and stupid thread....NFL Football is a choice made by each player (or Mom and Dad...heheheheh), and one which provides me a way to kick as$ vicariously from my couch.


106 posted on 05/05/2012 5:39:16 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: RichInOC

Not to mention Napoleon McCallum’s injury.


107 posted on 05/05/2012 5:52:35 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: alloysteel

Interesting commentary.


108 posted on 05/05/2012 5:56:38 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: cumbo78

“I grew up with a lot of guys who quit playing during high school because they were simply tired of getting beat up.”

Then you attended a wuss high school.

My swim coach was a Guadalcanal Marine veteran and my algebra teacher landed in France on D-Day.

A good number of us signed up in the army and Marine Corps.

Semper Fi, FRiend.


109 posted on 05/05/2012 5:59:37 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Secret Agent Man

My wife and I actually have a good friend who played DT for the DC Divas. It was full contact tackle football. I WOULD NOT want her to tackle me! But I do agree. I have said that in ten years a sack will be recorded when the defensive player removes the flag from the quarterback’s skirt.


110 posted on 05/05/2012 6:36:05 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Sure it was. But that all began to change in the Sixties. Actually, it was probably the championship game between the Baltimore Colts and The New York Giants that began the swing.


111 posted on 05/05/2012 6:37:38 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: MinorityRepublican

Good grief what an idiot.


112 posted on 05/05/2012 6:39:29 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: BigCinBigD

There was a guy who played middle linebacker for the Bears named Dick Butkus who might disagree with you.


113 posted on 05/05/2012 6:46:42 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: BenLurkin
Those girls hit the bejeezus out of each other, and yet manage not to fall out their uniforms.

Amazing!

114 posted on 05/05/2012 6:49:34 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: Perdogg

Rush talked about this and predicted it. There was a WSJ article from a giant douche advocating for it that I’m sure a FReeper already linked to.

EVERYTHING liberals and leftists do or advocate violates the law of human nature. That’s why they always fail. We are programmed as humans by evolution to like violence as a sport.

People love college football. I’ve never seen anyone turn away from a hockey fight and leave the building. Everyone stands and cheers.


115 posted on 05/05/2012 7:24:37 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: FatherofFive

Soccer/football to the rest of the world is as violent and physical of a game as anything.


116 posted on 05/05/2012 7:28:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Rome2000

usually not


117 posted on 05/05/2012 7:43:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

LOL...we know that. Heh, this thread is a bunch of people poking each other in the eye!


118 posted on 05/05/2012 7:44:25 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: Freestate316

Was he from Chicago?


119 posted on 05/05/2012 8:27:12 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: BigCinBigD

Oh, he was. Okay then...


120 posted on 05/05/2012 8:28:30 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: South Hawthorne
I've not heard that. So in the 60's and 70's players were told to hit LOW? Isn't that clipping if you hit below the knees?

BTW, what ever happened to that call? I haven't seen a referee call that in years. I've seen the high/low called, but I think it's unnecessary roughness.

121 posted on 05/05/2012 8:42:03 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: Freestate316

I’m sorry given what they wear, it’s for liability and legal issues. It’s foreplay, male (and lesbian) fantasy.

Babes, butts, and football.

To somehow look at lingerie football and conclude “Women play football too” just like the NFL, college, high school and younger leagues, well, you could just not be more wrong.

Seriously. Not the same beast, not the same planet.

They want to get rid of football because it’s the one American sport nobody else plays like we do, and the only people who play it here, are men. That’s the point. A few teams of model-thin women in lingerie and purple pads is not a whole country-wide system of boys to men growing up playing hard contact football.


122 posted on 05/05/2012 9:32:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks MinorityRepublican.
The nationally televised gambling and meat-rendering factory cannot survive without new players.
Headline may as well be, ex-NFL players INVENT SUICIDE!!!

Writer is an imbecile, liar, or both.


123 posted on 05/05/2012 10:31:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.wbez.org/blogs/bez/2012-04/john-kass-gets-personal-98480


124 posted on 05/05/2012 10:35:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Actually, great point. Even though there may be big guys that live elsewhere on the planet, where but in America are you going to find the most elite, fastest, biggest, smartest guys?

You can't be a lumbering East German oaf and play NFL football.

It surprised me a little bit, but besides QBs, the "smartest" players are offensive linemen. They have to be, so that they can change plays on a dime when the QB calls for it. A good defense has to be smart, too to pick up on it. Nothing like a fantastic, intelligent, instinctive MLB like Brian Urlacher. The defensive line needs to be fast meaty hulks.

125 posted on 05/05/2012 11:17:18 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: boop

It’s the biggest reason players that look like studs in college don’t make it in the NFL, they don’t have the brains for it.


126 posted on 05/05/2012 11:23:19 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

BTW, I HATE the Bears, but I respect their defense. Same as I respect the Steeler defense. But I also hate them.


127 posted on 05/05/2012 11:23:19 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: BigCinBigD

Dick Butkus came out of Chicago. A manlier football player never lived.


128 posted on 05/05/2012 11:49:26 PM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage

There has been one death on the playing field in the history of the NFL, in 1970, Chuck Hughes, a receiver for the Detroit Lions collapsed on the field after a heart attack in a game against the Bears.....Butkus was the first to notice there was a problem and immediately signaled for help.


129 posted on 05/05/2012 11:53:00 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Lord what a cry baby

Junior had an erratic history


130 posted on 05/05/2012 11:55:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; All
The last American sport women don't play.

Well, there have been women's football games, but they have never been able to make a financial go of it.

131 posted on 05/06/2012 6:21:14 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: MinorityRepublican; Perdogg; biggredd1; BluesDuke; okie01; fatnotlazy; dfwgator; Revolting cat!; ...
The writer of this story is conflating two different issues: head injuries in football and suicides among former prominent pro players.

How much do head injuries account for suicides among this group? I don't know if anyone has ever done a scientific study on it.

The intuitive feeling here is that the more important factor in these suicides is depression brought on by inadequate adjustments of former professional athletes to their post-athletic "real world" life, which frequently involves dealing with the sobering fact that they are no longer treated as "celebrities" by the world at large but rather looked at as ordinary guys with no special talents or skills to sell, and surely aren't enjoying anywhere near the same income they once did.

It's of utmost importance for parents, coaches, and advisors of high school and college athletes with professional potential to emphasize the importance of education and training for future careers outside of the sports world. The guess here is that most of these ex-athletes who committed suicide unfortunately did not take full advantage of their student experiences.

132 posted on 05/06/2012 7:18:40 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: MinorityRepublican
I hate football. I never EVER watch it.

But this guy is a Major League Asshat.

133 posted on 05/06/2012 7:21:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: justiceseeker93

Apparently there have been studied done and that is why they are doing an autopsy on his brain.


134 posted on 05/06/2012 8:45:37 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: justiceseeker93

I don’t know about the direct correlation between concussions and depression. One possibility is that having your brains scrambled might cause or contribute to some form of early onset dementia and one aspect of dementia is depression. But I’m no medical expert and I wouldn’t know if this is what happened to Mr. Seau.

Many athletes are not prepared for life after their playing days are over. A number of years ago, there was a scandal wherein a football player sued his alma mater because, even though he had a degree, he was for all practical purposes illiterate. Talented athletes were wooed by universities desperate for a winning team (and the money which would come in as a result). The athlete was recruited, then passed through all four years regardless of whether he could actually do the course work. I don’t know how extensive this practice is today, but I suspect a number of athletes have degrees, but no education.

Additionally, these athletes make huge amounts of money nowadays, but instead of investing and saving wisely, they squander their fortune. So at 30 something when their careers are over and the money is gone, they are SOL. Perhaps money management should be a required course for athletes, but I wonder how many athletes would ignore the given advice and just blow their salaries on cars, houses, women and assorted hangers-on. P

I’m sorry for what happened to Mr. Seau. I hope athletes will wise up and be prepared for the day when their playing careers are finished.


135 posted on 05/06/2012 9:54:23 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Eric Blair 2084
and using the head butt in soccer with no protection must be much worse on the brain than hits on a head covered with force resistant material.
136 posted on 05/06/2012 11:11:03 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: boop

Clipping is actually a block in the back below the waist, but you’re right, you don’t see it called that much anymore, it’s usually a block in the back.

If you watch some of the clip shows on NFL Network, you’ll notice 40 or so years ago, defenders would wrap around the waist where as today, you see alot more of defenders hitting in the upper chest/head.


137 posted on 05/06/2012 11:33:49 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
My son is pigeon toed. He will never be a great football player, but he succeed in life and football is a part of this.

He wants to play this sport and I support him 100% because if nothing else, he will have to deal with victory and defeat with his team. He will have to play as part of a team working with others. He will be hit, knocked over, and stand back up playing on, pretending as if the air hadn't just been knocked out of him. Life is full of failures and times we get knocked on our ass. Those that really make it are simply tenacious and can deal with defeat, work as part of a team, and can deal with true adversity that is pain staking, may it be in their education, career, business... The pain and combative component of football, lacrosse, wrestling, boxing, ice hockey is good for a young man.

Boys raised by over protective mothers and absent fathers, typically is the suburban yuppie areas end up being... well lets just say they play other sports like soccer or tennis where there is less concern of getting hurt and “violence.”

138 posted on 05/06/2012 12:00:27 PM PDT by Red6
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To: justiceseeker93

Show me where there are girls/women’s football leagues operating from pee-wee levels through college into the pros of hundreds of thousands of women playing football and getting scholarships and such to play football like boys and men do.

You can for soccer, golf, tennis, swimming, basketball, volleyball. NOT FOOTBALL.

Geez, just admit I have the damn point here. No other sport is like football here in that it’s really the last bastion of an all-male, all-American sport. There’s absolutely no lifelong mechanism for girls to play it from girls to women, through either schools or private leagues, and have a career in it.

Or just remain stubborn for the sake of being stubborn and refuse to see the obvious point I am making.


139 posted on 05/06/2012 12:42:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Red6
The pain and combative component of football, lacrosse, wrestling, boxing, ice hockey is good for a young man.

I'm not sure that basketball isn't a better vehicle for raisng a tough young man. I went to a small school where just about everybody played multiple sports. There's no pain to compare with the first day of basketball practice for a bunch of fellows just coming off the comparatively light conditioning demands of football.

140 posted on 05/06/2012 12:57:25 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Secret Agent Man

They actually wore conventional football uniforms, pads, and helmets. This was not lingerie football, which is exploitative and ridiculous, but serious full contact football


141 posted on 05/06/2012 2:29:21 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: BigCinBigD

He grew up on the South Side, played at Illinois, was a first round draft pick of the Bears in 1965. For the next decade, no other player struck fear in the hearts of opposing offenses like #51. He didn’t just tackle the ball carrier: he physically punished them. He also played most of his career on bad knees, and was a first ballot Hall of Fame player. I agree that Obama and Ballerina Immanuel are metrosexual pansies, but not all men from Chicago are wusses. By the way, I grew up in suburban Philadelphia as an Eagles fan, but admired Butkus as a great player.


142 posted on 05/06/2012 2:47:56 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: Secret Agent Man; ml/nj; SunkenCiv; All
I do get your point. Girls' and women's football has been tried and has been a big failure, fortunately. Rarely, though, you'll see a story in the lefty MSM about a female on an otherwise all-male football team who has the safest position on the field: placekicker. That generally would be high school when it occurs, with a handful in college.

Women's professional baseball was once tried as well and couldn't cut it. (Recall the movie "A League of Their Own.") Now they are confined to softball in college. They can win championships for their schools and even get invited to the White House if they do, but pro opportunities hardly exist.

143 posted on 05/06/2012 6:36:22 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

I knew of a D3 place kicker. She had been the women’s soccer team goal keeper. I witnessed her kicking a goal, it won’t from her goal kick, bounced once in front of the opposing goalkeeper and right into the net.

She routinely made forty yard field goals. If the O line was any better she could have kick further.

I would take that any day of the week. And at least four times on Saturday.


144 posted on 05/06/2012 6:43:44 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Basketball is good. I just avoid it because it's dominated by hoodlums, but as a sport, it's great. Even water polo is a good sport. I simply listed some examples.

The point is that part of the development of a young man should include a competitive team sport with a combative nature. It like other classes teaches something he needs: how to deal with adversity/conflict/fears, defeat/failure/victory, play as part of a team that will only succeed with a true “team” mentality and not only talking about it. You don't learn that in a Trig class in high school, but it's nonetheless important. The physical conditioning of the sport is but one component to consider and probably long term the least valuable.

145 posted on 05/09/2012 7:20:27 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Lacrosse is exploding as a sport that kids are playing, especially here in Texas.


146 posted on 05/09/2012 7:23:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: boop
Actually tennis is a great sport, but it can be very tough on knees

Don't play on hard courts.

147 posted on 05/09/2012 7:39:33 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: LauraJean

Thank you for defending Kass - he’s far more solution than problem. As for football, I certainly wouldn’t want my son playing beyond the Pee-Wee level. Ignoring what’s going on with head injuries is graveyard whistling.


148 posted on 05/09/2012 7:47:22 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I’ve never seen anyone turn away from a hockey fight and leave the building. Everyone stands and cheers.

Yeah. I remember reading this year all the articles and comments from the people that enjoyed the Flyers/Pens series and wished that all hockey games could be played like the ones in that series.

149 posted on 05/09/2012 7:52:39 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Point #1. — Ghettos are filled with kids that would give their left nut to play in the NFL.

That's true. But what will happen is that wealthy and educated parents won't let their kids play football, and when that happens, the game will eventually fall out of fashion with the middle class, and, over a longer period of time, will remain in fashion amongst only the working/poor class.

Goodell has the right idea. He understands that for the game to continue to grow (or even maintain its popularity), it has to be safe.

You think this guy is an idiot? The very fact that people are talking about this--including very well respected sports writers like Buzz Bissinger (who advocated in the WSJ to ban college football)--means that football has a serious problem that it has to nip in the bud. I would bet anything that Roger Goodell doesn't think that this guy is an idiot.

150 posted on 05/09/2012 8:01:50 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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