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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 6 May 2012
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 6 May 2012 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 05/06/2012 4:51:31 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: Alas Babylon!

Newt was on Candy Crowley.

When asked if Romney was conservative, he gave his stock answer...”compared to Obama?”

Heh. A non-answer as I see it.

He’s a good commentator and who knows, maybe that’s what he’ll end up being.

141 posted on 05/06/2012 10:59:10 AM PDT by Fishtalk (
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To: All
Also, I would be remiss if I didn't speak about JimRob's latest thread, Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement.

I'm glad he posted that. He won't vote for Romney, but he acknowledges the dilemma the rest of us are in and how we cannot allow Obama to get four more years. Bottom line, there will not be bannings of FReepers posting pro-Romney remarks.

We should all thank him for that thread and try to heal any wounds between us all. I for one apologize for things I might have said and my own temper on previous threads.

Rest assured that like ALL of you, I want nothing but good for my country. Like you, I fear for Her, and don't think we have outstanding choices politically. BUT.... We can't just give up, either. I'm not even sure what constitutes giving up. I just know I won't.

142 posted on 05/06/2012 11:03:48 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
Senator Rubio is doing pretty well.
143 posted on 05/06/2012 11:18:02 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I read that thread too, AB, and thanked JR for what had to be a difficult post.

We’re all facing difficult times but I stand by my belief that if we, ONE MORE TIME, support a “moderate” and Romney continues to reach across the aisle and govern Democrat Lite, that a third party will be formed.

So something “good” could come of it all, if nothing else but a viable and very real “Tea Party”.

144 posted on 05/06/2012 11:30:47 AM PDT by Fishtalk (
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To: Chgogal

I really like your tag line.

145 posted on 05/06/2012 11:36:08 AM PDT by Fishtalk (
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To: altura
1) There is no downside to coming illegally at present if you can make it. Nobody does anything to you, not even if you are a criminal (I mean deportation)

Nonsense. Obama claims over 400,000 deportations last year. There are 55,000 criminal aliens in federal prison and another 300,000 in state and local prisons. Since 9/11 over 50,000 residents of this country have been killed by criminal aliens and hundreds of thousands more are victims of their crimes. 22% of all felonies in Maricopa County, AZ are committed by illegal aliens. Yes, there is still a price to pay, but we are not doing enough.

2) None of the possible benefits illegals get here (and I know they get many) are the main factor in their coming.

There are "benefits" to coming here or we wouldn't have 12 to 20 million illegals in this country. I gave you the data on use of welfare programs. And illegals are using our ERs as free health clinics to access the finest healthcare system in the world. I have no idea what you classify as "benefits," but there are plenty here ranging from jobs, education, a generally lawful society compared to the Third World corruption they came from and Mexico is having almost a civil war with more than 40,000 killed during the drug cartel wars. Did you know that the official unemployment rate in Mexico is 5.1%?

They come because they can. No ranting and raving about what they get here that they shouldn’t get will do any good unless we close the border.

Do you comprehend what I have posted to you. 40% of all illegal aliens come here legally and overstay their visas. Closing the border only solves part of the problem. Comprende? And prohibiting benefits to illegals and making life as uncomfortable as we possibly can for illegals will cause them to self deport. We have data and anecdotal information to prove that. Attrition thru enforcement works. It also creates jobs for Americans. There are an estimated 8 million illegal aliens holding jobs in this country while 22 million legal residents of this country are looking for fulltime employment.

However, I agree with you that loopholes should be closed, although it may well be heartless.

Heartless? You are beyond salvation. If the laws are "heartless," then change them, don't selectively enforce them. And as someone who has lived in 11 countries and travelled to more than 70 others, no country on the face of the earth treats people who violate their borders and laws as well as the US. And we take in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year, more than the rest of the world combined.

146 posted on 05/06/2012 11:42:21 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fishtalk

I meant exactly what I said. Local talk radio was full of people complaining about bi-lingual signs in the drugstores, hearing Spanish being spoken in laundromats, complaints about Hispanics opening businesses. It was flat-out anti-Hispanic crap and it was tolerated by our local talk radio host. People like Malkin were so hateful in their comments that it gave license to people to make comments like this.

Now, it may be that you and others here are not anti-Hispanic, but don’t tell me there aren’t a portion of people who ARE, and they are on both sides of the aisle. We just had police called in to a gang fight at one of the high schools between blacks and Hispanics.

If people really were serious about this issue then why didn’t the GOP accept the guest worker program President Bush put forth? This issue has been hijacked by people who are not interested in a solution and are simply stirring the bad feeling.

The obvious solution is to secure the border and then figure out what to do with the ones who are here. Some have self-deported already due to the poor economy. The rest could becomeo permanent legal residents without citizenship privileges. But all I see is a lot of talk and no action from either side.

And when Romney tries to do something about this next year, the same people (Malkin primarily) will be on his case like he was the most evil person in the world, just like they did to Perry.

And it is amazing to me that people got their feelings hurt over that one comment Perry made. He was obviously not good with words and should have phrased it differently. Are people such weenies that they can’t say, “Sorry, you’re wrong and here’s why?” Instead they go nutso on Perry and we lost a guy who probably could have been a good candidate.

Conservatives are fond of saying the liberals are the ones who make decisions on emotions, but I haven’t seen evidence of much rationality on the conservative side over the last 6 years. Either the premise is wrong, or we have a lot of people who are not conservatives here. Take your choice.

147 posted on 05/06/2012 12:01:26 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: hocndoc
Texas like the other 11 states that are violating the 1996 immigration law is trying to circumvent the federal law by using residency as a way to justify illegal aliens in-state tuition without preventing out of state US citizens from getting in-state tuition as long as they use the same rules, which make it very difficult for them.

As the National Conference of State Legislatures notes in a report on in-state tuition for illegal aliens, in order to try and “maneuver around the [§ 1623] requirements, the eleven states that have enacted laws granting in-state tuition rates to undocumented students have tried to word the legislation so that it is contingent on high school attendance and graduation, and not based on residency within the state.”[xxiii] But Texas bases its definition of residency for college admission on an individual (or his parent) establishing domicile in Texas not later than one year before the academic term in which the student is enrolled in college or graduating from a Texas high school who “maintained a residence” continuously for three years before graduation.[xxiv]

live here three years and graduate from a Texas high school to qualify for in state tuition.

You can get a GED and still qualify for in-state tuition per the Texas law.

148 posted on 05/06/2012 12:01:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Fishtalk

The truth needs to be told about the dangers of homosexuality.

Candy Crowley is really carrying the campaign water. Crying about Newt giving the facts. Trying to say how wonderful this economy is going and how bullish people are about it, what?

149 posted on 05/06/2012 12:13:14 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: kabar
While I sympathize with those who need cheap labor to do this or that menial job with the huge threat of terrorism looming at the border you have to weigh the two and terrorism outweighs any other need.

Historically, immigration was designed to bring in either the politically oppressed,just a few individuals here,(the blind chinese due for example) or others who can actually fulfill a need the country has.

Mexicon welfare people and pregnant women desiring anchor babies do no fall into that category.

150 posted on 05/06/2012 12:13:38 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: kabar

Thanks for the graphs. Nothing brings it home like this stuff does.

151 posted on 05/06/2012 12:15:00 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: kabar

Go easy on her today she’s “in love”.

152 posted on 05/06/2012 12:16:17 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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I readily admit Marco is not a NBC.He was born here but parents were not. For that matter zero is an illegal alien. I am tired of the double standard,if they can break rules we can as well.

153 posted on 05/06/2012 12:18:02 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Fishtalk
We already have a third party of sorts.

Its the Tea Party. They are smart enough not to run against the Republicans where the country will get hurt but whenever they can take out a rino or liberal dem they are right there. One day It may well change from within. Will it be tomorrow? Hardly. But it could and may happen.

154 posted on 05/06/2012 12:26:48 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: y'all
if they can break rules we can as well.

Yeah...screw the Constitution.

155 posted on 05/06/2012 12:32:04 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: altura

I never understood the hatred of all the candidates on FR. They all had their positives and negatives and to pretend otherwise was not honest. I would easily prefer Perry over Romney but he won the primary so he is the nominee.

It is now a choice between him and Ocommie and anything else ignores reality. We still see thread after thread trashing Romney just like we did against the other candidates. National suicide is not the answer.

Pray for America

156 posted on 05/06/2012 12:37:41 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: bray

Words of wisdom as usual. To not support Romney is basically to support the other side which makes no sense whatsoever.

157 posted on 05/06/2012 12:40:53 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Crowley was really flying her DNC flag as she continually tried to interrupt Newt and repeated fake poll after poll. She wouldn’t mention any of the polls showing his problem with women over 30 or dropping minority votes.

With over 40% unemployment does he really expect an enthusiastic Black vote?

158 posted on 05/06/2012 12:41:28 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: bray
I have been here a long time, Second sign on. FR gets nutty during election run ups so I kind of stay out of the way. Remember that the State Elections are as important as the FEDERAL, Vote Conservative for Sen And Rep and those down the list and stay on their ass that way we win.

For Pres vote for the one that is going to hurt you the least.

159 posted on 05/06/2012 12:58:21 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: kabar

If I’m ‘beyond salvation’ kindly stop posting to me.

And I’m gonna speak with God at once to see if he has a different opinion.

160 posted on 05/06/2012 1:08:53 PM PDT by altura (Looking for sanity in all the wrong places.)
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