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Are you an ABO like me PO'd at JR for getting called a RINO? Truce declared! Please DONATE!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2879805/posts?q=1&;page=1#1 ^ | May 6, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers! If you go to the thread at the link you will will see that JimRob has "declared a truce" and hundreds of ABO FReepers are now vigorously defending their belief, which I share, that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian MUST BE DEFEATED to preserve the Republic...without fear of "the ZOT"! Please consider a DONATION not just to fund renewal of expression and amplification of your ABO views, but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!

IMO, Free Republic and FReepers could be vital in swing states in rallying just enough conservatives to tip the election and prevent our troops from having to salute for even one day longer than necessary an ineligible Marxist committed to destroying the USA !


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To: Jim Robinson

Hell Jim, I never asked you to support him just like churchill never supported the USSR, he just allied with them for a short period of time to get rid of a mutual enemy. We can fight this battle another day.


251 posted on 05/06/2012 2:25:37 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: Godzilla

Well, you play it all day long. Victimhood is messy business.


252 posted on 05/06/2012 2:26:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

SERVandPRO: Now ma’am, you reported that your vote was stolen from you; your vote was forced against your principles
...is that right?

MsRINO: Oh yes, it was horrible...that gang of liberals harassed me and bullied me and invaded my privacy, and made me feel as if I had no choice but to vote just as they told me to...liberal... it was awful.

SERVandPRO: And so, you are saying that you were a conservative, but that these people forced you to vote liberal?

MsRINO: That’s right... I was so afraid, I felt as though I had no choice. I’ve always been a conservative, I would never have voted for a liberal of my own free will.

SERVandPRO: Maam, if its true that these liberals violated your principles and morals and stole your vote, then why is it you did their laundry, fixed them breakfast, called your parents and introduced them, and then you wrote a big check to their candidate’s campaign?

MsRINO: Well, I didn’t want to be rude...


253 posted on 05/06/2012 2:26:42 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (Men who stand firm against an army of thousands, run when a tiger appears among them. ~ShirKhan~)
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To: dagogo redux

Clarify what exactly you mean when you say it is “by far the best”. In what specific ways do you say it is “best” compared to all other religions?


254 posted on 05/06/2012 2:27:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: A.Hun
He failed to seize the members of the court and place then in dungeons until they recanted of their false beliefs.

Should have been easily done. The court assumed Massachusetts had an all powerful executive that did not have to bow to legislative intent, so why not.

255 posted on 05/06/2012 2:27:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
But you promised me we’d slip into the neighborhood Mosque and do some honey baked ham tonight!

We're still on. After all, I wouldn't miss the mosque's Bikini beauty competition.

256 posted on 05/06/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: eastforker

We will fight this battle another day and we will fight it today. It’s a never ending battle and we do not make headway by surrendering or allowing the enemy into our camp. Romney is a Trojan horse.


257 posted on 05/06/2012 2:29:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; eastforker

my comment was directed at eastforker Jim.


258 posted on 05/06/2012 2:29:25 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: driftdiver
Yes Romney will be bad for this country. He won’t be as bad as Obama.

Not voting doesn’t make a statement anymore than a 2 yr old stamping his feet does.

I'm with you-it really is this simple.

259 posted on 05/06/2012 2:30:33 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Godzilla

Who the hell asked you, but out and quit being such a brown noser.


260 posted on 05/06/2012 2:31:15 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: Tribune7
Those are issues raised to justify the Thirty Years War. In the end all the parties to the war agreed they'd never again be used as a cause of war against another state.

The Pope signed on.

Sometimes I think we should have all the groups left out sign on to the same principles ~ Orthodoxy, Judaism, Islam, Mormons, Unitarian-Universalists, and maybe the Hindus and Buddhists.

You should check into what is called The Peace of Westphalia. Great series of treaties.

261 posted on 05/06/2012 2:31:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Secret Agent Man

The actual historical situation was ‘Anyone but Ernst Rohm. Vote Adolf Hitler.’


262 posted on 05/06/2012 2:32:07 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: eastforker

Islam is a theocracy. There is no compartmentalization of politics, law, family life, and religion. In truth Christians are supposed to be Christians in all areas of their life too, but many have been secularized to believe they can be Christian on Sunday or when saying evening prayers, but live secular at work and at play, and when they vote, the rest of the time. Jesus is Lord in all areas of your life, at all times. Does it mean we want a theocracy? No but we want a government that respects Christianity like our Founders had. We know when Christ comes back He will establish His rule over all, and THAT will be technically what we call a theocracy. Just in His case it will be a perfect one.


263 posted on 05/06/2012 2:35:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I think we need to hide and watch, see what Sarah, Newt, Rick, Rick and Michelle intend to do.

There’s a plan... you can tell as they are being very, very quiet. They nominally ‘endorsed’ the bishop to keep the Democrat Media Complex bored with this and out of the bishop’s butt until whatever they have planned happens.


264 posted on 05/06/2012 2:36:05 PM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
"BTW, you were one of the first to participate in hijacking the thread."

True. Then when the issue was raised, I subsided for the sake of courtesy to the OP.

Irritable tonight?

265 posted on 05/06/2012 2:41:18 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Seizethecarp
"....but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!"

Sorry but every year they said they were working on it.

My kids finally convinced me my computer was a peice of junk so I went out and spent ALL my money on a new computer and I find out it is FreeRepublics fault. This is the ONLY site that takes forever to load. My kids were wrong. There was nothing wrong with my old computer. Now ALL my extra money is gone.

266 posted on 05/06/2012 2:41:29 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: chris37

I don’t get the point of your complaint.

Being called a satanist isn’t regarded as bad if you actually are one. If you are called one but aren’t one, that’s a legitimate complaint and I am with you there.

If you are a satanist but didn’t want to be known in public as one, that’s your own personal problem.

If others can see that you are one by what you say you believe, observe and do, but you still personally don’t think you are, that’s called “being in denial”.


267 posted on 05/06/2012 2:42:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Godzilla

Oops, my apologies friend. Got your screen name confused with another gozilla. Sorry. God bless.


268 posted on 05/06/2012 2:42:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Don Corleone

The movie looks good. We have his book.


269 posted on 05/06/2012 2:42:53 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: ohioWfan
BTW, taking a good cold look at the whole picture it seems to me that folks in Virginia are in a position to put the victory into Republican or Democrat hands and without respect to any outside interests.

I"ve been thinking of what it is that we want that the parties can provide that would be a winning campaign theme.

Can they buy us with more government buildings? HMm! Always a good ploy. They should try it. But more likely its going to be something more personal ~ like maybe pulling the plug on Virginia's Bourbon Faction that currently controls the state and the main factions in the Republican Party?

That's something both the National Republicans and the Democrats could do with adroit use of criminal prosecution on just all sorts of things.

BTW, that would NOT affect Conservatism in Virginia nor would it endanger the TEAParty. Both factions have been written out of the picture by the more classical Bourbon Faction (Governor, Lt. Governor, etc.)

The whole election can be swung by the winner in Virginia, but he'll have to be bold.

270 posted on 05/06/2012 2:42:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NathanR

You could be right. And I wouldn’t vote for Huckabee either.


271 posted on 05/06/2012 2:43:28 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Obama vs. Romney: Zero x Zero = Zero.)
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To: A.Hun
the $50.00 copay was because of a MA state law that all government subsidized health care had to cover abortions.

What would the common name for the MA state law you are referencing?

It wouldn't be Romneycare, would it?

272 posted on 05/06/2012 2:46:47 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: eastforker; Windflier
you are just fine with the idea that Obama will be better for the next four years

That's the exact same quote another poster wrote and just evidences and raises suspecions there is an underlying group here set to see Romney "their guy" as President....and it has nothing to do with conservatism.

I did not say Obama would be better...using a well worn tactic to imply that I do is deceptive....I said they are both bad, evil, whatever you choose to call it...they 're bad for this country. I am voting against them 'both'....I will not consent to either agenda, nor support, nor promote either Romney or Obama.... That is my right and privilege...to oppose them and their agenda's for this country.

Read and learn: ......"The Declaration of Independence talks about the Government receiving it's just powers ...From The CONSENT 'of the people' (individuals).........it describes the powers which by 'we transfer' a portion of our natural rights to the government....we each give away some of our freedom, some of our individual sovereignty, and thus give the government it's "authority" to govern.

It's suppose to be consensual and voluntary,... that's why government can weld these powers which the individual is at 'liberty' to give to the government.

Furthermore.... The Constitution binds the people to the government but...Just as the states have a right to leave a union which violates the constitution that binds them,... So too do we have the moral right to leave a government when it breaks it's own laws.

I do Not "Freely Consent to this madness we have before us now. I will not vote for either Romney nor Obama, nor support either agenda... which oppose in every way the founding fathers, our constitutional agreements, and the moral laws in which I abide by.

273 posted on 05/06/2012 2:47:18 PM PDT by caww
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To: muawiyah

Was your reply intended towards me? I totally agree that Islam is a religion, government, culture, law, military, and every agent imaginable in one nasty package.


274 posted on 05/06/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Seizethecarp

Can we just start over?


275 posted on 05/06/2012 2:52:15 PM PDT by LUV W (This space reserved for heroes)
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To: GeronL
You are part of one of those "groups" though. I know!

In fact I remember when I had to debate all of you regarding Perri Caliente's views regarding Mexicans vs. Americans.

It was like none of you had ever had that one tossed at you ~ oh my goodness. At the time I think you thought I was a Mittbot.

Turned out I was right, you were wrong ~ wasn't Perri's year. He can come back later but it'd be best to not schedule back surgery just before the campaign.

276 posted on 05/06/2012 2:52:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ohioWfan
Does this mean the Mods will control those who go around screaming "EVIL MITTBOT!" to everyone who says they will reluctantly will vote for him just because they understand that Obama has GOT to go for the country to survive??

It's really tiring to have so many good conservative people being lied about and attacked over and over and over and over again with absolutely no repercussions.

Just today, I saw a post where the poster called anyone who did not vote for Romney a traitor.

This is an internet forum, after all, and posters will often say things they would never say to someones face.

It's staring to sound like many of the Romney supporters will not be satisfied with the "truce" unless voices opposing Romney are squelched.

277 posted on 05/06/2012 2:55:14 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: muawiyah; ohioWfan
The whole election can be swung by the winner in Virginia

Indeed, here in Northern Virginia I am expecting 24/7 campaign ads to begin soon enough. Last poll I saw had Obama up 7 or 8, and unfortunately that is believable as this state has definitely changed for the worse (particularly my part of it). So many people moving to Virginia from liberal states to find work, unfortunately they don't change their voting patterns and continue casting ballots for the same Democrat politicians that forced them to move in the first place. I sometimes ask if it has ever occurred to them that the liberal policies they've been supporting are the cause of the problem, in return I usually get a blank stare. It's clear that most Democrat voters simply never put 2 and 2 together. These leftists are like locusts!

278 posted on 05/06/2012 3:01:22 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: eastforker; CatherineofAragon
But there are no absolutes when it comes to religion because frankly, it is not logical, so in honesty, it can not be debated, logicaly.

Are you sure? Is not the statement that there are no absolutes an absolute statement in and of itself?

If it's true that there are no absolutes, then your statement is included in that so your statement by default is not an absolute.

If you expect us to take your statement that there are no absolutes as true, then it is a false statement because you are expecting us to believe that your statement is an absolute.

There are absolutes because there is a God who established them. And the big one is that there is salvation in no other name under heaven but that of Jesus Christ.

If you don't like that. take it up with God. Those who simply point out what God said are not responsible for the content.

279 posted on 05/06/2012 3:01:59 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"Anyone but Hitler. Vote Mussolini."

"That’s pretty much what we’re likely to end up with unless (fingers crossed) something marvellous and wonderful happens at the convention."

Anything's possible.

The topic WAS Benito Mussolini.



280 posted on 05/06/2012 3:02:25 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (Men who stand firm against an army of thousands, run when a tiger appears among them. ~ShirKhan~)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

This candidate does not exist in the real world.

To be left-wing on economics is to be marxist, socialist, and therefore hold liberal spending policies.

The reason why one holds marxist, socialist, liberal economic policies is because your social viewpoints demand other people’s money to spend on them.

There is nobody that exists that has social conservative policies about what to do about welfare programs, but has liberal economics that would massively and inherently contradict their conservative social welfare policy.

It would have the person say “I want to reform or eliminate welfare as we know it, anyone on welfare has to work, be tested for drug use regularly and lose it if you test positive, only citizens get welfare. etc” but then say “I want to drastically raise the amount we are spending on welfare to ever increasingly higher amounts.”

This is an impossible candidate. The candidate would have to be totally bipolar or willingly-ignorantly hypocritical to even pull any such thing off.


281 posted on 05/06/2012 3:02:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GeronL

It’s not going to have resolution IMO....because there are those who are indeed Romney lovers and hoping above hope he seals the Presidency for a different agenda....nor is it about conservatisim...their supposedly ABO vote, (which is a smokescreen IMO)....is something else entirely.

There’s more than one war to take over on the front lines for this country....and more than our country at stake..and I mean to fight that war to the finish.

As we see....the truce cannot hold when “other” agenda’s are at play.


282 posted on 05/06/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: sagar

Yeah ~ I know enough about how those Koranic verses are used to know that you can’t practice Islam as just a religion. Those guys simply do not operate in the same reality as the rest of the world.


283 posted on 05/06/2012 3:03:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Secret Agent Man

Correct. That’s why I made my original post. Someone posted the name of Mike Huckabee to me upthread, but I too believe this candidate mentioned in post 101 does not exist.

I happen to believe that social conservatism is the basis for all conservatism because without the moral base, we can’t tell the difference between right and wrong.

Our rights and liberties are not given to us by government; they are given to us by our Creator.


284 posted on 05/06/2012 3:08:10 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Obama vs. Romney: Zero x Zero = Zero.)
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To: Parley Baer

Frankly, he’d be getting attacked from the left sooner or later on it. He will get both barrels if they think he has a chance of beating Barry. He may as well hone his arguments for the liberal hit pieces that will be far, far more devastating to him because the MSM will be running them on TV and cable in front of many more people than those of us on FR.

And in fairness, there are people here that have just thrown out the “mormon card” at people critical of Mitt that have never brought up the issue in their criticisms. Personally to be legitimately critical of Mitt, you don’t even have to get that far and discuss his religion.


285 posted on 05/06/2012 3:09:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: metmom

I said there are no absolutes in religion because it is based on faith. Since faith requires a belief based on someones words without evidence to back it up, it doesn ‘t make it a fact. since there is no factual information it can not be discussed logicaly, because logicaly, there are no facts.


286 posted on 05/06/2012 3:09:03 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: gusty

Look at the actual people who held the vast majority of political offices back then, and that’s where the consensus arose from.


287 posted on 05/06/2012 3:10:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: driftdiver
Not voting doesn’t make a statement anymore than a 2 yr old stamping his feet does.

Why do you think that those who are not going to vote for Romney are trying to make a statement?

I'm not going to vote for him and I'm not trying to make any statement to the GOP.

288 posted on 05/06/2012 3:12:41 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: CharacterCounts
An honest man would recognize that his core beliefs simply do not conform to the standards expected of individuals in his political party and go run somewhere else.

That's probably why so many of the Romney supporters are in such a panic. They know!!!!

It is never enough for the truly desperate for others to simply step aside ~ anyone here ever read The Brothers Karamazov; how about One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch; what about Gulag Archipelago?

There's a theme in that literature about the fundamental flaw in leftwing thought ~ that it's practitioners know it's a crime, but they can't help themselves so they seek others who've done the same thing to surround them, and if they are short of volunteers they force others to bow their knees and dip their own spears in the blood of the victims.

I think the Russians did a remarkable job covering that particular problem.

The Mittbots really do need to allow people to step aside ~ or it will just get worse. Oh, and here's the set of spears somebody handed me. I don't do that and you can't make me.

289 posted on 05/06/2012 3:14:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

They all went Christian regardless of the differences in their affliations. And that’s generally fine with most..at least tolerable and expected for those who have no faith...so far.

But yes it does matter..., We even saw that when Santorum was at the top of the heap and the religious rallied around him.......and some actually were opposed....especially liberals.


290 posted on 05/06/2012 3:17:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: CharacterCounts

“Why do you think that those who are not going to vote for Romney are trying to make a statement?”

Because many of them will say they aren’t voting to make a statement. No, I’m not going to find examples. Go look for yourself.

“I’m not going to vote for him and I’m not trying to make any statement to the GOP.”

One of two people will be the next President. Anything but a vote for mittens helps Obama.


291 posted on 05/06/2012 3:18:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Please name such a candidate in the real world.

Well, such candidates don't exist in the US the way they once did. You don't have to go back many years to the old style Southern Democrats to find politicians that were very socially conservative and economically liberal.

You can still find a lot of these sorts of politicians in South America. There are many both socially conservative AND economic populist left wing politicians there. You see some of this very thing in places like Venezuela, Peru, etc.

292 posted on 05/06/2012 3:19:54 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: eastforker; caww
I guess you are just fine with the idea that Obama will be better for the next four years, you guys are idiots!

"Idiots"? The fact that you don't understand that a Republican dominated Congress will likely lock arms against a president wearing the other team's jersey - but fold like a cheap suit for one wearing their own jersey, makes those that think like you, the idiots.

Understand that there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Romney and Obama's governing records, and that he will continue to advance the big government, Socialist, elitist, globalist agenda, if he's elected. He's not going to roll back one iota of Obama's agenda, nor is he going to 'bend right, if we put pressure on him'.

I don't want to see either Obama or Romney in the White House over the next four years, because they're simply two faces of the same Commie cabal that is trying to destroy America. That said, if we MUST have one them for president, I'd rather it be one who the Republicans are more likely to OPPOSE, than one who they'll roll over for - especially considering that they have the same agenda.

Personally, I think that every conservative who gives a damn about this country needs to get off their ass and get to Tampa for the convention. We need to raise such an historic ruckus, that the delegates back away from nominating this POS for president. We need to force them to choose an honest conservative at this most pivotal moment in our history.

Now is NOT the time for playing politics as usual by offering up yet another weak kneed, milquetoast RINO. Not when we have a committed Marxist sitting in the White House.

293 posted on 05/06/2012 3:20:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: driftdiver
Not voting doesn’t make a statement anymore than a 2 yr old stamping his feet does.

I did not say once ever I wouldn't be voting...and you guys wonder why no truce will hold when you make false accusations as this.

comments such as yours are exactly why there is no reasonable debates or conversations here....

294 posted on 05/06/2012 3:23:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: NoLibZone

Do you think a Christian is afraid of being able to answer such a question?

Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father, but by me.”

The answer is whoever believes in Jesus, will be in Heaven. Jesus, the Son of God, and God Himself, in the flesh, is THE way of salvation provided by God the Father, for all people - Jesus’ perfect atoning sacrificial death, that paid your sin debt to God, thereby reconciling you to God. Jewish, chinese, white, black, purple - all people need Christ, no more, no less, no one needing to do more than any other person except believe in Jesus and what He did for you.

Whether you accept and believe that answer depends on who you think Jesus is.


295 posted on 05/06/2012 3:23:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

So, I guess the Jews are out then,too bad so sad, I kind of like those guys!


296 posted on 05/06/2012 3:27:16 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: driftdiver
I'm starting to get your logic. When I say I am not trying to make a statement, I really am trying to make statement.

Wow, I'm way more complicated than I thought.

Because many of them will say they aren’t voting to make a statement. No, I’m not going to find examples. Go look for yourself.

Then your assertion is pointless and meaningless.

297 posted on 05/06/2012 3:27:16 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: driftdiver
That's hardly a truce. You are campaigning for Romney and claiming people who don't commit for him right now are Obama supporters.

Now, tell me seriously, what are you going to GIVE Virginia voters to get Romney over the hump? (Recalling my thread the other day where I showed the trouble he's in around here ~ to wit, virginia).

It's gotta' be big because the way the analysts are calling it now the country is evenly split and Virginia is the most narrowly split where one side or the other can actually draw blood with a very narrowly designed attack, or set of campaign promises.

Obama's thugs probably have some ridiculous thing in mind like "NO LABOR CONTRACT FOR THE SILVER LINE" (Not realizing we don't have a gazillion people riding in to DC every day from Loudon county.

I want the Bourbon faction in the Republican party REMOVED root and branch to make way for a total Conservative and TEAParty operation. Maybe Romney's guys could promise that now ~ certainly Obama's guys might and lord only knows how they'd accomplish it ~ something like "The Chicago Way" Maybe. I don't know.

You'll need something to attract more Democrats to the Republican standard to offset the Conservatives you've convinced they have nothing at stake here.

New buildings, maybe FIX US 50, and pay off the other tollroads ~?

The campaign may be going down in May depending on what the candidates can promise. Time to start promising.

298 posted on 05/06/2012 3:29:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CharacterCounts

No your vote is what will be meaningless.


299 posted on 05/06/2012 3:29:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: eastforker
I said there are no absolutes in religion because it is based on faith. Since faith requires a belief based on someones words without evidence to back it up, it doesn ‘t make it a fact. since there is no factual information it can not be discussed logicaly, because logicaly, there are no facts.

LOL. Might as well give up, because there is no way you'll win that argument. Most people know what you mean, that religion is based on faith and it is not something that one can definitively prove. But, some people think that statement only applies to other religions, not their own - and they will never concede such a thing.

300 posted on 05/06/2012 3:29:49 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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