Skip to comments.Exit polls show Sarkozy has lost in France
Posted on 05/06/2012 10:00:27 AM PDT by Cincinna
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Il n'y a pas d'honte être français. Il y a seulement l'honte dans rester de français.
(There is no shame in being French. There is only shame in staying French.)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
SARKOZY HEADING FOR LOSS TO SOCIALIST 53.3-46.7
... maybe Socialism will WORK this time....??
That’s hardly a mandate, tho it’s making me physically ill at the moment. My son in law apparently didn’t vote this go round. We’re gonna have to have a talk about that.
I just saw an interesting documentary from Journeyman Pictures on Youtube yesterday. It was about the elections in France and the crime, so bad in some areas the police don’t want to enter. Here is the description:
French election battle enters tense final phase
The beautiful port city of Marseilles was once a symbol of multiculturalism in France. Now plagued by gangs and crime, it has become central to the heated election debates around immigration and security.
Generations of immigrants have helped to shape the character of Marseilles and a third of the population are Muslim. But recently an explosion in violent crime has torn apart this melting pot, exacerbated by the recent killings in Toulouse by Islamist, Mohammed Merah, and Sarkozy’s controversial anti-halal campaign. “An election doesn’t justify being demagogic. It is dividing France, playing people off against each other.” In the midst of an ongoing economic crisis and with the election only a week away, many remain sceptical about France’s unity and the future prospects of its people. “We need real solutions to the problems here”, says Nassurdine Haidari, one of Marseilles’ vice mayors.
I certainly do not forsee the crime and unemployment improving under socialism. It’s taking them down the wrong road. I was hoping Sarkozy would be reelected. I bet Obama, however, is happy to have a new socialist to hang out with.
Off With Their Heads!!!!!
“... so that the socialist inclined here can see what will happen if we continue down this road.”
US socialists know very well what happened every time that socialism was tried in the world but you seem to think that their mindset is love for this country.
Their driving force is the desire for power and total control over the American people — nothing less.
The people wanted ‘Change’. You can have OUR ‘Change’, France, and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
This is highly disturbing... I haven't been to France since 1997, but was hoping to visit perhaps in the next year or two. Looks like France is off the list for us for the foreseeable future.
Idiot French voters. I'm worried about the Jewish community in France, among other things there... :-(
When does the Socialist and his floozy take the oath of office?
Well, I guess Sarkozy won’t have to deal with Netanyahu any more (since he found that so distasteful).
Well, I guess Sarkozy won’t have to deal with Netanyahu any more (since he found that so distasteful).
Every socialst inclined person I know always points to Europe as an example of how it works when I say something to the effect that socialism doesn’t work.
The money is already leaving France. Writing is on the wall. Coming to a United States near you!
Well, Amerika is socialist. They might as well join us.
They need to win more than 50% of the vote to become president, correct? If so, François Hollande winning by 51.7% is not a tremendous margin?
Is Hollande anything like François Mitterrand was, in terms of his policies, and character?
Up next, the elections for the legislature...
A big domino has fallen for the Left. The markets will roil; the Iranian situation will also become more precarious as France moves towards the radical Islamic position.
A weaker and unstable EU should also increase the chance for a US market decline and collapse thereby increasing the likelihood hussein’s defeat. J’espere.
Marseilles was always a hellhole.
Remember “The French Connection”?
By latest count, Hollande did not get 50% of Tge votes case, as 2% cast blank ballots. He did get 51.6% of the real votes cast- not exactly a landslide or a mandate. Very much under the 10% victory he was predicting.
Hollande, and his former girlfriend, Segolène Royal were both protégée of François Mitterrand. Hollande comes out if the socialist Marxist left, and while on the moderate part if the spectrum is still an ideologue and not a natural politician.
Mitterrand, who started out on the fascist right, (he was the aide to Pétain responsible for forcing Jews to wear the yellow Star of David) was a Machiavellian- like master politician, a megalomaniac who went with whatever positions furthered his career.
When Mitterrand saw that putting his socialist agenda in power would be impossible, he moved to the center. I don’t believe that Hollande can do that. He is too beholden to the extreme far left- Communists, Trotskyites, green etc. Not going to be pretty to watch.
Indeed. Thanks for the ping!
Thanks for that insightful, comparative analysis of Mitterand & Hollande.
I knew a fair bit about Mitterand & his track record & background, but not much at all about Hollande.
Segolène Royal is his girlfriend?! lol.. wasn’t she one of the people running against Sarko in previous election?
51.6% is definitely not a mandate. Got to remember that 48.4% didn’t vote for him. So, what does that mean for implementing his policies? Presumably, there are other ‘political processes’ that can prevent him or throw obstacles on his path, even as president, before he can implement his policies?
Yes, it’s true! Segolène Royal and François Hollande were a couple for almost thirty years. They have four children together, although they were never married.
Royal was the Socialist Party candidate who ran against Sarko In 2007. Hollande officially left her after she lost, and moved in with his new girlfriend, Valerie Trieweiller aka “the Rotweiller”. She will now be First Lady of France.
I wish I had a better explanation, but a I can say is, they’re French- they’re not like us. I might add that the fact they are Socialists and BoBos (bourgeois bohemians) and limousine liberals doesn’t help!
what can you expect from the cheese eating surrender monkeys?
They love Jerry Lewis
Well, you could start by saying thank you for your independance and your Constitution.
Ya know - just sayin.
Without the French, the War of Independance would have been a boringly damp squib and your president would be a prime minister at most.
Do you know how much it pains an Englishman to have to say something nice about the French?
Still, yeah the Jerry Lewis thing is just wierd. They love the Hoff too. A strange people.
Hollande has to face what no socialist ever wants to face - reality.
He really doesn’t have a lot of easy options. Sarko became the face of austerity. Hollande will throw some bones to pacify the mob, but the reality is that France and the EU are in very, very serious trouble - economically and demographically.
Suicide by government schooling. Why would government employees ever undermine a system they benefit from?
A century of indoctrination has worked.
Mitterrand started out on the fascist left...and move toward the center left.
Mitterrand started his career working for Pétain and the Vichy government in France. Then, after WWII was over, he switched over to the Socialists.
>>”Hollande officially left her after she lost, and moved in with his new girlfriend, Valerie Trieweiller aka the Rotweiller. She will now be First Lady of France.”<<
Typical, obviously says more about his character & lack of commitment.
I remember some were associating Segolène Royal with Palace of Versailles back in 2007, because of her lastname (Royal) - such personal aggrandizement, for a Socialist.
hmm, there are worse people as “First Lady”. Imagine the wife of Khamenei or wife of Ahmadinejad.. well, at least they are almost “invisible”!
Well the final results was closer than the exit polls which we had to first hear about on twitter cause of anti-free speech rules.
Hollandise sauce squeaked in by 3%. Perhaps the “centrist” François Bayrou’s endorsement of Hollandise sauce made the difference. Another week and maybe Sark could have made up the difference, he erased a sizeable lead that H sauce once held.
Europe is in store for some dark days.
Either the socialists will admit they have to cut spending or they will be crashing that country like a plane nose first. The slow crash will become a nose dive with his proposals.
H sauce is talking big talk against austerity. Maybe Jerry Brown should give him a call.
Correct, but he never switched. He started with socialists and ended with socialists. He didn’t move from right to left, but from left to left.
Marechal Pétain, a fascist, was the Nazi collaborator who headed the Vichy government. It was his young assistant, François Mitterrand, who was responsible for forcing French Jews to wear the yellow Star of David, then supervised the deportation of French Jews to Nazi death camps.
After the Allied victory in Europe, Pétain was tried and executed as a traitor. Mitterrand hid his past, went over to the left and the Socialist Party, and the rest is history.
My point is that the Nazis are the Left. The Left still hates Jews to this day. The Left loves corpratism and crony capitalism, etc. Don’t buy the Nazi/KKK = Right Wing lie. In America the KKK is an institution made up wholly of Democrats.
The Nazis are national socialists, but only to distinguish them from communists and other socialists. They all fight for the minds of the very same demographic and have overlapping goals. The “international” aspect of communism is a myth as well. Every successful communist movement built upon nationalism and used nationalism to win and hold power.
Nazi = communist = socialist = progressive. It’s all a club in which only the patrons think they’re different.
Many on the Left are atheist Jews, who hate Zionists and religious Jews more than anything else.
I guess you slept through History 101, especially the WWII part.
Just checked out this thread again, and thought to chime in.
Fascism (since WW1) usually combines left & right wing spectrum of politics, or political views.
And, you’re right, that its basis is “nationalism” or “dictatorial/authoritarian nationalism”.
Whereas communism or socialism, generally, promotes an “egalitarian” society & equality as an ideology, Fascism believes in an innate superiority of a certain group or race, while trying to eliminate or purge the society of those consider ‘inferior’ - at least that’s the General ideology/stance of quite a few far-right “fascist” groups.
Don’t know specifically about KKK in the US. But, during WWII in Europe, Fascism was definitely leaning towards the Right-wing political view, not the left.
Perhaps, a good example of core (bookish) ideology of “Socialism” can be found in the traditional French national motto, after the French Revolution (once the monarch was guillotined):
Liberté, égalité, fraternité
(Liberty, equality, fraternity)
The Left/Right political spectrum is an invention of the Left. It’s propaganda to divide communists from fascists. They’re one and the same ideologically. Look at their platforms and behaviors. They’re the same. It served the Comintern to move away from the Nazis. It gave them cover, but did not and doesn’t reflect the political reality of either system.
They appeared as enemies only because they were fighting for the exact duplicate political turf. Ideologically they’re from the same side of a liberty - slavery spectrum as it relates to government. That spectrum is the true spectrum.
See here for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcYBO_JmkcQ
The goals of fascists and communists are control over individuals the fine definitions are the delight of professors, intellectuals and liberals. Thinking people know better.
Fascists aren’t rightwing. They’re leftwing - socialists, national socialists, but the USSR was violently nationalistic as well. Look at their history. Nazis and Communists are leftists.
If you and I are “rightwing”, yet, speaking just for myself, I love liberty and republicanism. I respect the rule of law and laws that respect Natural Law and individual liberty. An example would be the US Constitution, as written, not as implemented in the 20th century.
Here’s an excellent backgrounder and full explanation by Hayek:
Nazism is Socialism*
Published in the spring of 1933
*This memorandum may be found in the Hayek Paper, box 105, folder 10, Hoover Institution Archives.
>>”The Left/Right political spectrum is an invention of the Left.”<<
In the US it may be. In essence, it really isn’t. You need to look at it in context, as with every thing else.
>>”If you and I are rightwing, yet, speaking just for myself, I love liberty and republicanism. I respect the rule of law and laws that respect Natural Law and individual liberty. An example would be the US Constitution, as written, not as implemented in the 20th century.”<<
For you personally, I respect it. For the US Constitution and liberty the same.
However, you have to remember that the US & its Constitution are unique to America (USA) as the latter was written, a couple of centuries ago, and it is unique to the American (US) history, culture & nation - not every single (other) nation (in Europe, for example).
The “other” Context:
Fascism in Europe during WW2 was a Rightwing political movement. Most Nazis, unlike the Soviets (socialists), were not atheists; they were Christians, most with Christian beliefs & practices. But, at that time, in Europe, it went so horribly wrong. They believed they were “superior” to the minority, in Nazis’ case, the Jews. Did the Soviets love the Jews? No. But, nor did the (orthodox christian) Czarists in Russia!
For the record, my husband is a Conservative, Republican American. I fully understand & appreciate the Conservative American point of view and share it. But, there is another world out there.. often with a different history & certainly a much older one than the USA.
I will read through that. Thanks
Ma’am I appreciate your answers, but they’re incorrect. The political spectrum that you’re referring to is an invention of the 20th century. It originates from 18th century French socialist thinking. It’s meaningless which is also a hallmark of socialist thinking - undefined and redefined words.
Note that just as the 20th century ended conservatives, like us, went from true blue to red. Now socialists are blue. Who decided that? The MSM. I wasn’t polled and didn’t vote for that change. Much the same occurred at the end of the 19th century with Classical liberals become “conservatives” or “reactionaries” while totalitarians became “liberals”. Nonsense like this is what confuses people.
Going back to France in the Revolutionary period, you had socialists v. monarchists. There were most certainly people like you and I alive and with some understanding - see Bastiat - that either extreme was unsound and absurd. I presume you’re college educated and that this is spectrum you were taught and feel grounded in.
The real divide is between those who would enslave and those who would liberate. That ideal is found in a republic, founded on laws based on Natural Law and Christian values. The rest is curtains on a window. Socialists, monarchists, collectivists, progressives, liberals, Nazis, fascists et al have a single purpose - enslavement. It’s as old as time. Nazis have nothing in common with classical liberals. Read the Hayek essay and take a look at the video. I think you’ll see it clearly then.