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Victor Davis Hanson: "All Fall Down"
PJ Media ^ | 05/06/2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 05/06/2012 5:34:43 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2

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VDH nails it again. Calls out all the phoniness in Liberalism.
1 posted on 05/06/2012 5:34:49 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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To: Eccl 10:2

BUMP


2 posted on 05/06/2012 5:45:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard (No Romney, no way.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

In a book I read by him he called Curtis LeMay a war criminal for his bombing campaign on Japan during WWII. I have no use for him.


3 posted on 05/06/2012 5:58:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

In a book I read by him he called Curtis LeMay a war criminal for his bombing campaign on Japan during WWII. I have no use for him.


Curtis LeMay said he would have been considered a War Criminal if we had lost the war.

I like Victor Davis Hanson.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 6:03:13 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SkyDancer

I read that book, and unless I am very wrong VDH was in full-throated support of LeMay, while pointing out that many others would call him a war criminal. If I’m wrong, I will freely admit it.


5 posted on 05/06/2012 6:08:33 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Victor seems to have reconciled himself to his fate. I often felt bad for him, in that he came from a working class background and made it to the hallowed groves of high-level academia, only to reach his full strength at a time when he has to spend so much of his brainpower understanding a crude Chicago thug rather than intellectual abstractions.

Here I think he has embraced his situation, at long last.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 6:13:52 PM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

ginp


7 posted on 05/06/2012 6:15:23 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: SkyDancer

Actually it was a review that VDH wrote about a biography of Lemay

the direct quotation is:
“Did the mad bomber of Japan gleefully and without regret burn its cities to the ground, along with hundreds of thousands of civilians in them? LeMay, in fact, thought carefully about the strategy, approved leaflets warning of the conflagration to come, and, after the war, confessed that he would understandably have been tried as a war criminal if the U.S. had lost.”

I think you have developed a misunderstanding of VDH and hence are missing out on some most excellent pieces and analyses.


8 posted on 05/06/2012 6:22:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
In the book "The Wars of the Ancient Greeks: And the Invention of Western Military Culture" he writes that "that war criminal LeMay ......"

Which was good enough for me to return the book at that point to the library.

9 posted on 05/06/2012 6:28:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

Which was good enough for me to return the book at that point to the library.


I was called and told that someone had returned the book early. I picked it up right away.

Thanks.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 6:32:22 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SkyDancer

Which was good enough for me to return the book at that point to the library.


I was called and told that someone had returned the book early. I picked it up right away.

Thanks.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 6:32:26 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SkyDancer
Really. Curtis LeMay was a hero in WWII. He designed the "box formation" used by B-17s to raid Germany without fighter escorts. It wasn't perfect but it maximized the effectiveness of the Flying Fortresses' numerous .50 cal guns in defending against the Luftwaffe.

As for Imperial Japan, who really gives a damn. They deserved anything that could conceivably have been done to them. Including carpet bombing with incendiary bombs and atom bombs to boot.

12 posted on 05/06/2012 6:34:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Eccl 10:2

Excellent. Bump.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 6:35:53 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: unkus

Well good. I hope you enjoyed reading about an American hero called a war criminal.


14 posted on 05/06/2012 6:40:09 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

Read it again brother.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 6:40:09 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yes. I’ve read his biography. It’s VDH you have to address.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 6:41:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: bill1952

I won’t and I’m not your brother.


17 posted on 05/06/2012 6:42:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: hinckley buzzard
Given the concentration of japanese war industries in Korea we'd probably shortened the war a bit by carpet bombing them. The Japanese had been engaged in a plan to keep the home islands pristine and clean by putting their industry offshore in colonial territories.

Another point was we could have waited until we had more than 3 of the suckers and whipped a bunch of people to seize Siberia for its mineral wealth.

18 posted on 05/06/2012 6:44:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eccl 10:2
One of VDH's best, and thanks for posting. The full depth of media complicity in this is illustrated very clearly here:

In 2004, the media’s “jobless recovery” was the description of George W. Bush’s 5.4% unemployment rate. “It’s the economy, stupid” referred to George H.W. Bush’s 1992 annual 3.3-4% GDP growth rate. “Unpatriotic” was W’s $4 trillion in borrowing in eight years, not $5 trillion in three. If Obama right now had 5.4% unemployment, 3.4% economic growth, and a budget deficit of about $400 billion, what would the media call it...?

They'd be screeching and swooning like adolescent girls over a pimply pop star; in short, nothing much would change at all. And it gets worse, much worse, because that same tendency for uncritical, even callow, admiration for a manufactured fantasy is behind the admiration for things European that leads the average progressive to gush "why can't we be more like the Europeans" in the same tone we usually hear marriage proposals to the likes of Justin Bieber.

We can't, because it would be a particularly stupid thing to do. And the level of stubborn denial of this that exists in the academic fools 0bama has placed in some of the highest offices of the land is a testament to nothing more than their refusal to grow up politically and ideologically.

In short, liberalism does not work, contrary as it is to human nature...statist redistribution and intrusion are an insidious process, no longer specific just to Democrats, but bound up in the growing affluence and leisure of the West—both serving its various needs of alleviating guilt to the masses, subsidizing half the nation, and providing much envied power and lucre to a highly educated and technocratic elite who have little talent for acquiring either in the private sector. That it is not sustainable does not mean that it will not cause havoc as it totters and collapses.

It would be a rather satisfying thing to watch except for the inconvenient fact that we won't be viewing from afar but underneath the rubble. Which is, actually, not a bad working description of our current position with the media desperately piping "Happy days are here again" loudly enough to swoozle the poor bastards who have been buried. "It's not so bad," we hear, "a ton of rock is nothing compared to the layer of dust we endured under Bush." Yeah, right.

But the ridiculous pretension of the 0bama administration are, as VDH points out, a symptom rather than the systemic problem, although this is like saying that an exploding abdomen is a symptom of a deeper medical problem. At some point it doesn't matter. The Van Jones, Elizabeth Warren types are polyps in the festering colon of modern progressive politics but enough of them can kill you.

That said, I do look forward to the shrieking that will ensue when this pack of degreed illiterates is finally shown the door, to assume the dignity of a former functionary who is safe in the knowledge that his media co-conspirators will cover for him, even regale him with an occasional Nobel Peace Prize. These will rejoin their respective well-remunerated faculties to produce yet another wave of intellectual weeds should the American people be fortunate enough to take VDH's booster shot against idiot liberalism. I just hope it takes.

19 posted on 05/06/2012 7:00:39 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SkyDancer

Why not give the full context. Criminy you take three words and jump beyond all possible rational conclusion. You could at least give the full paragraph.

I read the book and I do not recall feeling that VDH was negative re:Lemay.

Please give context else I will maintain my previous stance


20 posted on 05/06/2012 7:04:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Eccl 10:2

It’s odd. When I hear VDH on the Hugh Hewitt show, I can’t get enough of his brilliance. When I read his essays, they seem rambling.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 7:06:08 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I heard Osama was unarmed and carrying a bag of "Skillets candy" when Obama shot him.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

depressing because it is so right


22 posted on 05/06/2012 7:10:07 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: Billthedrill
degreed illiterates Best. Description. Evah!
23 posted on 05/06/2012 7:13:14 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Jeff Chandler

To a point, I agree. Perhaps, it’s just because I have been reading him so long that I can follow his literary train. His writing style, at least to me, brings complicated concepts down to an easy understanding.


24 posted on 05/06/2012 7:16:53 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Eccl 10:2
I like VDH because he is usually calm and intellectual in his critiques - this was scathing, brutal and spot-on.

My wife says it's because of the full moon!

25 posted on 05/06/2012 7:18:10 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: SkyDancer

What a completely ignorant comment - a commodity of increasing frequency at FR. Reread what you think you read.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 7:23:00 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: SkyDancer

Gosh...even when given a chance, you choose to remain a colossal ignoramus.


27 posted on 05/06/2012 7:26:39 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Billthedrill
...this is like saying that an exploding abdomen is a symptom of a deeper medical problem. At some point it doesn't matter. The Van Jones, Elizabeth Warren types are polyps in the festering colon of modern progressive politics...

Thanks, Bill. That is so beautiful, it almost makes me cry.

The perfect analogy for this colon-clogging clan. (sniff)

28 posted on 05/06/2012 7:27:21 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: SkyDancer
In the book "The Wars of the Ancient Greeks: And the Invention of Western Military Culture" he writes that "that war criminal LeMay ......" Which was good enough for me to return the book at that point to the library.

Why is it that the only place that book title and "LeMay" shows up on a Google search is your post on FR but the terms "war criminal LeMay" and "Victor Davis Hanson" produces the result exactly as others above have quoted it?
29 posted on 05/06/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Eccl 10:2
Perhaps one of the best sentences I have read in a long time -

"... statist redistribution and intrusion are an insidious process, no longer specific just to Democrats, but bound up in the growing affluence and leisure of the West—both serving its various needs of alleviating guilt to the masses, subsidizing half the nation, and providing much envied power and lucre to a highly educated and technocratic elite who have little talent for acquiring either in the private sector."

30 posted on 05/06/2012 7:37:06 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: Billthedrill

The media co-conspirators also need to be shown the door.


31 posted on 05/06/2012 7:42:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: aruanan

I suspect SkyDancer’s dislike of Victor Davis Hanson has less to do with what he claims he wrote of Curtis LeMay and more to do with something else. Maybe he can come clean and admit what that “something” is.


32 posted on 05/06/2012 7:44:14 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: aruanan

Because you used Google. Get the book. Read it. Somewhere in the third or fourth chapter he calls LeMay a war criminal.


33 posted on 05/06/2012 7:47:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Army Air Corps

Bookmark.


34 posted on 05/06/2012 7:48:39 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: aruanan; SkyDancer

Skydancer is a she if my eyes are correct.


35 posted on 05/06/2012 7:53:46 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worst Rinos ever!)
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To: Billthedrill
"Cross the border and you in theory can go from an impoverished Mexican national that lived a wretched material existence thanks to grandees in Mexico City to a “minority” with vicarious claims against the American system who is suddenly eligible for oppression-based, affirmative action recompense."

Amazing how just stating the obvious sounds so brilliant.

Enjoyed even more by your succinct and apt discription of the usual suspects. . .

"pack of degreed illiterates" and "intellectual weeds. enjoyed/agree your comments

36 posted on 05/06/2012 7:56:45 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Dave W

Gosh - when someone who says they read the book cannot come up with the comment he made. Golly.


37 posted on 05/06/2012 7:59:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Oklahoma; SkyDancer

Gee, I dunno.
I bought a book on the war in the pacific (WWII) and the English author wrote that American pilots in P-38s “murdered” General Yamamoto.
I was angry but too lazy to return it (and to get it now) so, “War is hell” and all that. There’s a lot to be said about the winners calling the shots, as Kurt “Panzer” Meyer found out.
So I’m sort of on his side and care enough to post something, but not really, and wasn’t this supposed to be about an article Victor Davis Hanson wrote?
He’s got his s*** wrapped in a tight little ball. I’ll read it later. Oh no, the apathy is hitting me in waves.

Oh, getting any rain there in God’s Country? Never mind.


38 posted on 05/06/2012 7:59:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: tumblindice

Since the post was about VDH I just commented on a book he wrote and his mentioning of LeMay. It was a “just saying” and people got their knickers in a twist.


39 posted on 05/06/2012 8:02:36 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Eccl 10:2
"Max Power. He's the man!"

"So... How did you come up with the name, 'Max Power'"?
"I don't know... (shrug) ...I saw it on a hair dryer."

40 posted on 05/06/2012 8:10:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard (No Romney, no way.)
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To: SkyDancer

And your smartypants knickers are in a twist unless you get in the last word, so who cares what you think?

Gen. Curtis LeMay saved many thousands of lives. Ours, and plenty of Japanese too as all they had to do was get the hell out of the way as they were warned to.


41 posted on 05/06/2012 8:18:52 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: elcid1970

And here I thought that some people had a modicum of intelligence to understand that I was talking about VDH’s comment on LeMay, not mine. I don’t know what your problem with comprehension is.


42 posted on 05/06/2012 8:38:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Lancey Howard

“So... How did you come up with the name, ‘Max Power’”?
“I don’t know... (shrug) ...I saw it on a hair dryer.”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

LOL. That reminds me of one of my hare-brained money making ideas.

I live in Charlotte. Our electric utility is Duke Power.

So I was going to change my name to Duke Power, open a mailbox, and get people to send me their electric bill payments there every month.


43 posted on 05/06/2012 8:47:21 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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To: Nifster

VDH’s Father was a B-29 bomber pilot (or crew - can’t remember exactly which).


44 posted on 05/06/2012 9:07:33 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: windcliff; stylecouncilor

Great article.


45 posted on 05/06/2012 9:21:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: hinckley buzzard
As for Imperial Japan, who really gives a damn. They deserved anything that could conceivably have been done to them. Including carpet bombing with incendiary bombs and atom bombs to boot.

Which is exactly what LeMay did and I commend him for it. The Japanese were warned. It was LeMay who figured out that our B-29s could safely operate below the Japanese flak level. Two B-29s would lay a cross-pattern of incendiaries, essentially making an 'x-marks-the-spot', and the rest of the strike had a perfect target. The fact that Japanese cities were essentially built of wood and paper helped a lot too.

Ironically, the use of atomic bombs actually saved lives in that there were less casualties from Hiroshima and Nagasaki than from the fire-bombing campaign. And that is without even considering how many Japanese civilian casualties would have resulted from a full-scale invasion of the Home Islands.

46 posted on 05/07/2012 12:37:49 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Eccl 10:2
For about three years I have been monotonously suggesting that we were once again in a 1977-1979 Carteresque era, as Obama systematically trashed his predecessor’s policies, denounced “exceptionalism” and “unilateralism,” gave soaring narcissistic sermons on his/our new morality abroad, redefined both allies and enemies as morally equivalent neutrals, and generally suggested that if you were a China, Russia, Middle East, or Latin America, you had justifiable grievances against the pre-Obama U.S., at least during the era when the president was just “three years old.”

Right now, a Carteresque Era would be an improvement!

47 posted on 05/07/2012 12:45:11 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Eccl 10:2
If I were a state or clique up to no good, and if I thought Obama might not be reelected, in my final window of opportunity, perhaps around September, I might flex my muscles in the former Soviet republics, send another missile over Japan or South Korea, cruise into Taiwanese waters, put some Argentine Marines on the “Malvinas,” seek readjustment in Cyprus and the Aegean, send some rockets into Tel Aviv, dispatch some suicide bombers from Gaza, and let off more missiles from Iran. Not just to make a statement, or to gain more “please don’t” concessions, but because it was my pleasure to do it—if only for the hell of it.

Scary... we could be in for a very interesting fall.

48 posted on 05/07/2012 12:50:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Ping


49 posted on 05/07/2012 4:32:06 AM PDT by VTenigma
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To: saywhatagain

Get a copy of his “Mexifornia” and read it. He nails the immigration issue through the lens of California’s idiocy.


50 posted on 05/07/2012 6:21:21 AM PDT by bcsco
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