Skip to comments.Union Workers Strike At Illinois Caterpillar Plant (Joliet, Il)
Posted on 05/07/2012 12:24:07 PM PDT by robowombatEdited on 05/07/2012 1:00:52 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
JOLIET, Ill. (AP) — About 800 union workers who rejected Caterpillar Inc.'s latest contract offer walked off the job Tuesday at a plant in Joliet.
Workers with picket signs lined up outside the plant early Tuesday, just hours after their contract expired. The employees, part of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, are asking for better wages and health care. They voted Sunday to reject the Peoria-based company's latest contract offer.
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If there are capable people who are willing to work at the rate the company pays, then it’s not unreasonable.
Until youve lived on both sides of the fence, you cant understand each sides issues.
That’s called ‘a race to the bottom’ which eliminates the middle class
If somebody can just walk in from the street and do the job, how much should they be paid?
Question 1: Economically speaking, which states are doing better Right-to-work or non-right-to-work?
Question 2: If non-union employers are so terrible, then why do they still have employees?
Question 3: Where is it deemed you have a God given right to an employer provided pension and you are not responsible to plan for your own future?
Question 4: If year after year new employees are added to the retiree pool and are drawing a pension, how can a company be expected to maintain profitability even in a down economy? (in other words how can they be expected to expand in order to pay all workers and retirees: see GM and what remains of United Steel)
Question 5: You mention "greed" as what is destroying capitalism, yet use the "working man's" need for a larger paycheck because the company is more profitable and was able to pay the CEO more as justification. Do you see the irony?
Question 6: How wise is it to walk off of a job in a down economy with actual unemployment over 16% nationwide?
Question 7: Given your statement - Greed is what destroyed capitalism and until the common working man is shown respect it will continue its downward spiral. How is 0bama working out for you? Need I remind you "Teamsters for 0bama," "SEIU for 0bama," and "United Steel for 0bama."
Question 8: How are things in the trucking, steel, and service industries?
Question 9: As far as greed is concerned how do you explain the UAW being paid off through the bailouts of GM and Daimler-Chrysler, while the bondholders (that actually invested in and financed those copanies) were left SOL?
Question 10: Detroit is/was arguably one of the most unionized cities in America, how are things there? I hear that everything is so peaches and cream, you can buy houses buy-one-get-one-free for about the cost of a second-hand VCR.
Extra Credit: What is conservative about using thug tactics to bully employers into unprofitable wage relationships and in effect artificially increasing final product prices (hindering the company's standing against copetitors); versus allowing the free market to decide?
Based on this comment, I assume you are one of the union workers. SO I further assume that you are prepared to suffer the potential consequences of the strike (loss of pay, possible loss of your job entirely, Caterpillar moving operations to another state) without further complaint if your side loses in this gamble you are taking?
Fire the bastards, there are 1600 waiting to fill their jobs who will work without the damn unions.
Bkmk and Bttt
“Do you support paying someone $25 an hour for a job that’s only worth $13 an hour?”
If the $25/hour worker has 20 years’ experience, I don’t know that it is $13/hour work anymore. I don’t know what to think about these situations, because just as the company may decide it is more profitable to re-locate to a right-to-work state (or Red China), workers can often deduce they are better off on public assistance than with a paycheck. I’m not advocating this, but $13/hour in NJ would be nothing for a 40 year-old worker; they would struggle for the rest of their lives for some basic necessities that would be given to them for free or at a discount (legitimately) if they weren’t working at all.
I’m the last one to support unions, but have often said that we’re being reduced to the status of Red Chinese peasants. $25/hour for a 40 year-old worker (with 20 years on the job) is difficult enough; $13 per hour is just ridiculous. Anyone who really believes the free market will work this out should keep in mind that while it “working it out” Americans have basically stopped breeding and their scabs are being imported by the millions - the free market at work.
There does have to be a balance; we can’t compete with Asians who will never own a home or automobile, have more than one child, or have the right to vote.
When you work for a private company, you come to agreement on wages with your employer or you quit and offer your services elsewhere.
Labor unionism is a government-supported violation of private property rights and a relic of Marxism. How anyone on a conservative board can support them is beyond me. They should be illegal.
“Thats called a race to the bottom which eliminates the middle class”
You’re absolutely right, and this has brought about demographic changes that occur while our middle class disappears which are irreversible. While many people think the free market will solve the wage question, workers earning basic sustenance don’t breed; many people are unhappy with the resulting importation of millions of replacement workers without considering why they are being brought in.
People can argue until they’re blue in the face about what is a fair wage, but within a few generations (not nearly as far out as predicted) the descendants of the original European settlers will be extinct. No violence or race wars; they’ll just “free market” themselves out of families.
Bet everyone in Texas is so excited a $13.00 an hour employer is coming to town. Not even enough to pay the utilities on a double wide.
These folks are building heavy equipment; you want some dufus on the floor at $12.50 an hour?
What I find interesting is that if the articles are accurate, Cat thinks the the economy is going to suck for the next 6 years since they aren't offering any pay raises.
I was referring to the information in comment # 27.
In any case, no pay raises while prices rise equals pay cuts. If somebody worked for the equivalent of 100 gallons of gasoline (or 50 pounds of beef, or 20 cartons of cigarettes) per week, is now working for 75% of that, they’ve taken a pay cut.
Im not pro-union, this is not a union issue to me, its about paying an honest wage for honest work, wages for building heavy equipment is worth more than $12.50 /hr. Remember when in Japan the highest paid in the company was making 20 times more than the lowest wage. Everyone worked together for the good of the company as it should be. But when greed overcomes, there is no unity, only slaves and fat cats. Yes unions and the Democratic left killed Detroit. You see, you cant have one extreme or the other, there must be balance.
I was a union member once and have no dog in this show but I have lived their life and totally understand where they are coming from.