Skip to comments.Professors: Babies Don’t Know They’re Killed in Abortions
Posted on 05/07/2012 4:51:54 PM PDT by wagglebee
In February of 2012, a pair of left-wing philosophers wrote a paper that claimed that babies arent human until they can become cognizant of themselves, aware that if they were to be aborted or killed theyd be losing something valuable, their lives.
This, they claimed, justified abortion as well as post birth infanticide. Naturally they had elaborate justifications for their stance and what they wrote is chilling indeed, for it essentially states that only people that think like them are really worth the status of human, worth having their lives considered sacrosanct.
The pair, Alberto Giubilini of Milan, Italy, and Francesca Minerva of Australia, held as a central thesis that since abortion is so commonly accepted there had to be a more expansive use for it. That use, the pair decided, should be to cover killing babies born with developmental problems. After all, they said, neither fetuses or newborns have the same moral status as actual persons, so this certainly must mean that newborns with catastrophic birth defects could be killed without any moral reservations.
Here is how they justified the non-human status of both a fetus and a born baby.
The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.
Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a person in the sense of subject of a moral right to life. We take person to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her. This means that many non-human animals and mentally retarded human individuals are persons, but that all the individuals who are not in the condition of attributing any value to their own existence are not persons. Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.
This is chilling for its cold approach to life, but worse for its vagueness.
Lets examine the main point of what makes someone a worthy human in these liberals minds. They feel that unless someone can understand the basic value of their own life, then they dont count for personhood.
This is so entirely ague that anyone can qualify for elimination in a large number of situations.
The pair mentions that mentally retarded people can qualify for elimination, that they arent cognizant of the value of their own lives. But are you aware of yourself when you are in a coma from an accident? Are you any longer aware of yourself if you have Alzheimers? How about if you have devolved to infantile status at the end of your life? Should your children have the right to just kill you instead of keeping you alive in that case?
How far does this thought criteria go? Can these philosophers decide that if you are happy drinking beer, working as a car mechanic, and watching reality TV that this isnt enough cognition to qualify to be self-aware? Could they decide that unless you think exactly like them, why, you arent properly a human? Of course they could because they would be in charge of deciding what thought qualifies as enough to make you a real person.
Imagine what this means? It means that the left is leaving behind its reliance on science and alighting on thought to serve as a basis to assess who is worth what. No longer is mere biology something worth considering. That long-held justification for abortion using the unviable cells argument is now out. Instead we will henceforth set out to determine if people are thinking properly to ascertain if they are worth keeping alive.
Worse, imagine how much more dangerous these ideas will become when governments decide to use them as a basis for policy! We will have governments determining who is worth being called a human based on how the person being judged thinks.
Extremely chilling, indeed.
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The problem is the "moral status" of bastards who believe this.
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Even if that is true.... So?
So does this mean that if a person doesn’t know they are being killed it’s somehow okay to kill them?
This means someone can shoot the professors between the eyes in their sleep, and they won’t mind since they won’t be aware they are being killed.
So how do the professors know this?
Babies Don’t Know They’re Being Killed During Abortions
Wouldn’t that be true for people ambushed with a bullet to the back of the skull? Or someone who has an OD of sleeping pills slipped into their drink? How does ignorance of your murder make it right?
Using the same logic, wouldn’t a person suffering from dementia be eligible for a good snuffing out?
What about a person in a coma, who couldn’t prove’ their self awareness?
Or if a person is temporarily knocked out?
The list is endless.
Perhaps one of these fine gentlemen would like to demonstrate for us the utility in that belief.
We are witnessing mankind rationalize itself into The Darker Ages.
I expect closet cases Tom Cruise and John Travolta to speak out passionately in defense of the unborn.
Any second now...
...I'm, I'm sure they'll be here any moment...
And we actually think we can have a dialog with these people! It is impossible to find a common ground with these people.
We might as well try having a discussion with a vat of maggots.
Yea, well that works for demonocrats I guess...
Yea, well that works for demonocrats I guess...
Would it be OK to kill anybody if it can be done in his or her sleep?
I see a big fat FAIL here.
I was just about to post a similar statement.........
I would like a government grant to conduct a study where I take these liberal profs, bash them into a persistent vegetative state, then cut them up and see whether they know they are being killed.
I’ve heard some perverse individuals defend abortion on the grounds that it is a “legal activity.”
God takes these baby’s to where these murderers will never enter, they will be judged.
“We might as well try having a discussion with a vat of maggots.”
At least maggots serve a useful function, devouring dead tissue. The maggots need to get to work on these bastards’ brains.
Please add me!
Neither do animals in the slaughter house. But they still resent the process.
Whatever it takes to justify something that makes life more convenient...in this case, killing infants with genetic anomalies that weren’t caught in time for an abortion to be carried out. We’ve come right back to ancient Greece in such an undeniable way, and yet people still turn a blind eye to it because it’s convenient to be able to kill children who are too burdensome.
Here's the deal - these folks are fine with killing anyone they think might not turn out to meet their standards. They only get disturbed when they think the killing might turn out to be by somebody else's standards. And in the Third Reich, it did. To Hitler's butchers, what they were doing made sense. What these guys are advocating makes sense to them, too. To them I humbly suggest that if some of us are horrified by it, it might be due to something other than close-mindedness.
try covering a new borns face and watch how fast they try and pull whatever is covering it away!
all living things KNOW they are alive and will struggle to stay alive.
They rationalize murder with whatever argument is handy at the moment.
If the baby DID understand, they would then proclaim that a birth defect or mother in poverty would mean a life that was not "quality", therefore, as Jim Jones himself would argue, death is the preferable option than to live one more day.
Or put a cap in the professor's sleeping ass.
The NAZIs sure thought so.
You nailed it. These idiots don’t think past their last breath.
I’ll bet if one were to sneak up behind these basturds and put a shot in the back of their heads, they would not know they were being killed either.
What a load of illogical and unhuman crap they spew.
Be aware, all, that barbarians like this are giving The Won his daily directions via his Blackberry.
That’s who we’re up against.
Stalinists don’t believe all of the bullstalin they spew. They just say whatever it takes to get you to accept their way.
The “science” of genetic homosexuality are just for those who will be swayed by such arguments. They really believe in an end to ALL moral judgment over ALL sexual pairings, regardless of sex, age, relation, martial status, number, or species of partner(s). If they explain that someone people “can’t help themselves”, well maybe some will surrender to the group think. Transvestitism is not natural. We are born naked, there is no gene to “wear the other’s sex’s clothing”. Clothing is determined by culture and fashion.
The goal of “global warming science” is to reduce the size and production of the West. China and India are permitted to continuing using so-called “fossil fuels” and burning tires and coal. But some well-intentioned Americans are willing to use crappy toilets, low wattage light bulbs, and short range electric cars “to do their part to save the planet”.
Abortion serves the “zero population growth” mindset of the Left (who said 42 years ago that we would be facing a population explosion). It also serves the “do as thou will” philosophy of the sex positive hedonists. Why worry about the next generations when the goal is to live for today as thou wants?
Don’t look for consistency from Stalinist minds.
Only if you do it in secret, so that the right to privacy stands to trump any complaints.
Substitute the word fetus for black, or woman or jewish or gypsy or slav or non-believer and you redefine the value of human life. You make it three fifth or three quarters or any ratio you like. It worked in the time of slavery, the twenties with eugenics and nazism and now with islamism. It is the excuse they are looking for. Codify into law and presto a human life is worthless. Scary indeed.
Next semester the subject will be:
Infanticide...Euthinasia’s misunderstood sibling
Could someone please verify that Professors don’t know they are being killed if their skulls are caved in from behind with a Louisville Slugger!
Get back to me will ya?
By that logic, if we snuck up behind the perfessers and blew their heads off with 12-guage shotguns before they knew what was happening, it would be OK.
That is the point-—they are godless Marxists.. redundant, I know-—but their worldview is a “Big Lie”-—the idea that there is no Objective Truth.
It is why they were never allowed to take the oath of citizenship—their ideology is incompatible with a Constitution which believes in Natural Rights from God which is the basis of reason and logic.
We have ignored our Constitution-—since Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr—and thrown out logic and reason-—the foundation of Just Law.
Now—the irrational Postmodern German Philosophy rules in Western Civ....and is destroying freedom and all Natural Rights and is destroying The Rule of Law and replacing it with Stalin’s Separation of Church and State.
We are based on jurisprudence which believes in Supra Positive Law-—higher law than man-made up stuff like “abortion” and things which deny natural rights to all.
Laws of Nature and God’s Laws are the standard that our legal system should be forced to follow-—it is the Supreme Law of America-—or used to be until the Marxists infiltrated our legal system—with Socialist judges and the Communist ACLU and unconstitutional laws.
How very sad. But according to their definition wouldn’t a new born or a one or two month old also not be aware enough so in their mind could still be legally and morally killed?
You're onto them.
Peter Singer and others think that babies can be killed after birth if they don’t “measure up” in some way.