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Conservative-GOP marriage over?
politico ^ | Monday May 7, 2012 | Craig Shirley

Posted on 05/07/2012 8:59:54 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

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To: redpoll

Thanks


151 posted on 05/08/2012 12:42:41 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: FReepers
Today's reply, for what it's worth, to a GØP e-beg :

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You people make yourselves complicit in annointing ØbamaLite (aka Rømney) and then SERIOUSLY have the nerve to ask us to pay for it ? ? ?

If the chameleon creep wants it badly enough, you're welcome to help him get it, or he can buy it on his own.

Given the GOP's utter disdain for Conservative principles, this will be my last election as a registered Republican.

Please remove me from your mailing lists.

[tomkat]

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It wasn't nearly nasty enough .. sorry if it disappointed anyone else


152 posted on 05/08/2012 12:54:41 PM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq <font finger=middle>)
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To: Darren McCarty
" there's a lot of other candidates running for different offices that call themselves Republican"

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If they are conservative I won't hold the R against them, but the top slot does set the tone.

153 posted on 05/08/2012 12:59:02 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Keith in Iowa

> The choice of the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. I refuse.

And thereby choose to allow the greater evil to prevail (under current political circumstances). In ordinary life we do things every day we’d rather not do because the alternatives to not doing them are worse.

I see nothing about an election that makes refusing to choose either of two disagreeable alternatives in any way virtuous. If the worse one prevails, your action — or inaction — has been partially responsible.


154 posted on 05/08/2012 1:41:05 PM PDT by GJones2 (Republican or 3rd party?)
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To: GJones2

>>>I see nothing about an election that makes refusing to choose either of two disagreeable alternatives in any way virtuous.

There’s nothing virtuous of picking Willard over Barry-0. Nothing. Either way, we’re stuck with evil.


155 posted on 05/08/2012 1:54:47 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Bigtigermike
The RNC has always been the center of Republican insiderism — what the insiders call pragmatism. Consider, back when Roger Stone was at the Young Republicans, in 1975, he hung up a portrait of Ronald and Nancy Reagan in his office. Within hours, the order came down from the chairman’s suite: Take the picture down. At once.

Stone was not the only conservative with misgivings about the GOP. Reagan, the über outsider, called for a “new Republican Party” back in 1977. Reagan wanted the GOP to shed its country club, corporate boardroom image and become a genuine conservative movement, focused on the individual.

Okay, is that the Roger Stone who campaigned for Tom Kean and Arlen Specter and headed Specter's presidential bid?

Or is it the Roger Stone who backed Gary Johnson this year and just announced he was switching to the Libertarian Party.

Trick question: they're the same person.

It's hard to tell just who is the "establishment" or "the elite" and who isn't.

As with Roger Stone, you can be "establishment" or "elite" one year and a populist maverick the next.

You can be conservative and anti-establishment or moderate and establishment, but you can also be a conservative and very much a part of the party or ideological establishment and a moderate to liberal and very much an outsider.

Try this also from the article:

Many anti-establishment conservatives — including Mark Levin, Richard Viguerie, Vic Gold, Jeff Bell, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Don Devine and Joe Scarborough — have expressed profound misgivings that the GOP has evolved into an “insiders club only.”

For a lot of people, Tucker and Joe are as "establishment" (i.e. well-off and moderate to liberal) as anyone gets.

If they are outsiders, who are the insiders?

I doubt Bushite Sean Hannity and anti-Bushite Vic Gold have had much in common in recent years.

And Richard Viguerie has been playing at being "anti-establishment" so long that he's become very established himself.

Once you get a seat in the conclave -- even for a little while -- aren't you a part of the "insiders club"?

If all these people are "anti-establishment" they're anti-establishment in so many different ways as to make "establishment" a meaningless word.

156 posted on 05/08/2012 2:05:50 PM PDT by x
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To: GJones2
Fair enough. In that event, it is a planted axiom that Romney is somehow better than Obozo. Both are absolutely terrible. Neither merits any conservative support whatsoever. Only Romney can destroy the GOP as a viable major party. He can and will do this by indulging his basic leftist instincts on all of the social issues, being an infernal elitist fuss-budget on capital punishment, doing nada to interfere with the ongoing holocaust of babies, and nada to interfere with Adam accessing the nether end of Bruce's digestive tract as though it were a sexual organ and calling it "marriage," and everything else we have come to expect from Romney including his pathological dishonesty as to issues. Romney can destroy the United States as easily and then some as Obozo can and Romney can destroy the United States with most Republican Senators acting as cheerleaders and co-conspirators since Romney would be "our guy."

To summarize, your point is well-taken that you did not specifically mention Romney's proclivities as to disastrous judicial appointments. Romney is actually a MUCH broader problem than SCOTUS and judges and a considerably worse problem than Obozo is capable of being. Romney is a problem across the board for those who are neither trust fund babies nor other members of the pampered, powdered and privileged class. The planted axiom was that somehow there might be a legitimate argument that Romney is somehow better than Obozo.

157 posted on 05/08/2012 2:32:44 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: nathanbedford
I took the pleasant trouble to review your homepage on the subject of Nathan Bedford Forrest. I looked hard at how you would handle Fort Pillow and I think you did a very fair and well-informed job of handling that. Forrest was, in most respects, a very fine man who was neither perfect nor some plaster saint but a very fine cavalry officer who earned the right to be feared by his Union foes.

That having been said, I cannot imagine Nathan Bedford Forrest, if he were alive in our time, casting his ballot for the likes of Romney.

I also agree with your preference for Thomas Jonathan Stonewall Jackson, perhaps the finest battlefield military commander and one of the very finest men that this nation has ever produced.

158 posted on 05/08/2012 3:16:06 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: ilovesarah2012; EternalVigilance; Dr. Sivana; fieldmarshaldj; Tennessee Nana; Mountain Mary; ...
Ilovesarah2012:

Your daughter is remarkably and uncommonly wise and prescient and you should be proud of her. You must have done a lot of things in raising her that were verrrrry right. Ponder what she is saying and consider joining in her wisdom. There is no point in voting for Obozo OR for Romney. They are two of a kind, right down to their despicable campaign tactics.

159 posted on 05/08/2012 3:23:57 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: nathanbedford

Thank you for your kind words! God bless you and yours!


160 posted on 05/08/2012 3:26:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: Bigtigermike
I don't see how any conservative can be reconciled with the RNC after seeing how TEA party candidates were treated in 2010.

Message to Rove: you got him nominated - now you get him elected.

161 posted on 05/08/2012 3:36:07 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: BlackElk

I won’t bother now to get into a detailed discussion of the evidence as to whether Obama or Romney would be worse for the country. I’m sure that will be discussed time after time between now and the election. I’ll continue to read — or at least skim through — much of what Republicans, Democrats, and independents argue in opposition to voting for Romney (primarily to find weaknesses in their arguments, I admit).

I’ll consider the points that are made, though, and be willing to recognize strengths in the arguments of others if I come across them. So far, though, I’m not anywhere close to being convinced. If anything, I hope I’ll be able to convince others to come over to my way of thinking.


162 posted on 05/08/2012 3:36:40 PM PDT by GJones2 (Republican or 3rd party?)
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To: Houghton M.

You are to the GOP what blacks are to the DNC - plantation slaves.


163 posted on 05/08/2012 3:40:55 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: nathanbedford
To somehow argue that the process over the last several months has been unfair or unrepresentative of the will of the Republican electorate is absurd.

Try telling that to us Texans, or Californians even, that have not had a chance to vote, PERIOD! By the time it comes for us to try to have a say, it is over!

Your statement is what is absurd sir.

164 posted on 05/08/2012 4:19:11 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: llandres
They still won’t get it - did they “get it” when McLame lost? No.

Sure they get it. A Sarah or Newt is a far more greater threat to the GOP-e piece of the 'power pie' than anyone across the aisle. Look at what damage Gov. Palin and Pres. Reagan did to the GOP-e when they were in office. The GOP-e is scared to death of conservatives

The primary is 'coordinated' solely to keep that from happening again.

That's just how it is.

To me, for conservatives, job #1 is the total destruction of the GOP-e. Until and unless that happens, we have no chance of getting this country back to it's God-fearing roots.

The greedy bastards HAVE. GOT. TO. GO!!!

Please pray for our nation, it's future leaders and our troops.

165 posted on 05/08/2012 4:45:42 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ScottinVA

The GOP is not just out of gas.....they actively CAMPAIGN against Conservatives with the DNC/MSM machine, they strangle our young pols in their cribs (Palin), and civility is something establishment Republicans only extend to their leftist friends.


166 posted on 05/08/2012 6:02:47 PM PDT by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: nathanbedford
Conservatives who want to obtain and maintain political power are well advised to do so by taking over the Republican Party and to strictly eschew flirting with third party.

You're right. The only path to victory involves taking control of the Republican Party, and a slow-but-steady purge of the RINOs and country-clubbers.

167 posted on 05/08/2012 6:04:59 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: nathanbedford
================To somehow argue that the process over the last several months has been unfair or unrepresentative of the will of the Republican electorate is absurd.=============

You're wrong. Flat wrong. When people talk about the GOP-E, it's typically not because of denial into the electoral process itself.

The GOP-(E)stablishment have long employed shady tactics and techniques of sociological manipulation to try to manipulate things in favor of the candidate who will do the least to shrink government. There's a lot of conservatives around here who can't stand Rove for that very reason. But here are some specifics:

GOP Empire's Plan to Crush Tea Party Rebels

Note how the GOP-E always runs to the liberal media to run it's big fat mouth. That article names names, which is a good thing. Here's another:

GOP elite holds off the tea partiers

=========Many Republicans here said that tea-party activists now understand that things will run more smoothly if those with experience are in charge rather than those who put a premium on ideology over process.============

This is the arrogance with which the GOP-(E)stablishment looks at you and I. Here's one more:

Mark Levin: The Senate GOP establishment is trying to disenfranchise conservatives

Again, note how the GOP-E runs to the liberal media to run it's smears. Levin lays this out brilliantly.

168 posted on 05/08/2012 6:16:26 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Darren McCarty
A5. It's feasible through primaries and party leadership from the ground up. That's how Marco Rubio took out Charlie Crist. Counties and Districts.

The big thing will be the 2014 state elections. We will have 36 out of 50 governorships up for grabs, along with state legislatures. We need to cultivate more conservative Republican governors, to potentially run for President down the road.

In 2013, NYC will have a mayoral election, and maybe we can get rid of that idiot Bloomberg. Put a Democrat in charge, he can take the blame for the collapse.

169 posted on 05/08/2012 6:24:29 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Please see my #56.


170 posted on 05/08/2012 11:04:29 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

I disagree with you about why the conservatives failed in the primaries. At least part of the problem is that Fox News really really pushed Romney and dissed the others. Many older people suck the Fox News channel down hours a day, and assume that they were speaking from the right. My own parents became convinced that Romney was conservative, or at least right of center. They got that from Fox. People came away from that coverage thinking that Romney was some economic genius and had always been a Conservative.

Also, Romney’s money from before the primary season did not hurt him.


171 posted on 05/08/2012 11:15:29 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: nathanbedford

The GOP elite and the Republican media attacks Palin, Santorum, Bachmann, West, DeMint, Gingrich, Cain and anybody else who is tea party or is a conservative politician.

So that should be enough to realize they are hostile to the base and as such what they want is not what we want. They want anti-Palin/ anti-Reagan/ anti-tea party/ pro-establishment statist politicians. And that means they go further and further to the left of conservatives. Should be enough to anger you.


172 posted on 05/08/2012 11:16:30 PM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: CharacterCounts

You are a fool.


173 posted on 05/09/2012 9:54:45 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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