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The question of President Obama's draft card: Has evidence been destroyed?
Washington Times ^ | May 07, 2012 | Alan Jones

Posted on 05/08/2012 9:53:18 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

Changes in the wording of Selective Service System record-keeping requirements, made days after the opening of an investigation into the alleged forgery of President Barack Obama’s selective service registration form, raise serious questions about U.S. Government intentions.

The new rules allow existing copies of documents that may be sought by investigators to be destroyed.

The Selective Service System’s new privacy rules were published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, September 20, 2011, four days after the September 16 announcement by World Net Daily that the Maricopa County (Arizona) Sheriff’s Office “Cold Case Posse” was opening an inquiry with full subpoena power into alleged forgery of several documents concerning Obama’s birth and draft registration.

The new rules, which constitute the first update to Selective Service System privacy regulations in eleven years, were published under the title, “Privacy Act of 1974; Publication of Notice of Systems of Records.”

Ongoing controversy surrounding allegations that some of Obama’s personal identification documents and records, including his Selective Service draft registration form, are forgeries came into sharp focus seven months ago. The “Cold Case Posse,” under the leadership of Sheriff Joseph M. Arpaio, opened an inquiry in response to those allegations.

“This is a full-fledged criminal investigation,” Michael Zullo, lead investigator, told Communities @WashingtonTimes.

“Sheriff Arpaio sent two written requests in March to the Selective Service System requesting President Obama’s draft registration records. Selective Service System officials responded to Arpaio in writing, but did not turn over any of President Obama’s registration records.”

“We believe they are stonewalling,” Zullo added. "In their latest reply letter to the Sheriff, they do not comment on, or even allude to, the microfilm being available to inspect."

(Excerpt) Read more at communities.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: anotherobamaforgery; arpaio; birthcertificate; certifigate; coldcaseposse; coverup; draft; draftcard; forgery; forgerygate; fraud; joearpaio; movealong; naturalborncitizen; nothingtoseehere; obama; richardsflahavan; selectiveservice; sheriffjoe; transparency; zullo
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Previously unnoticed, the new rules allow the government to destroy microfilm copies of Selective Service registration records and may create new obstacles for law enforcement agencies that are requesting records access for investigative purposes.
1 posted on 05/08/2012 9:53:30 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: LucyT; butterdezillion
PING

"Previously unnoticed, the new rules allow the government to destroy microfilm copies of Selective Service registration records"

2 posted on 05/08/2012 9:55:24 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

They covered all their bases with this dude.


3 posted on 05/08/2012 9:56:32 AM PDT by b4its2late (Patience is not a virtue, it is a waste of time.)
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To: b4its2late
Ohhhhh...not all my Friend....only the ones THEY control.
4 posted on 05/08/2012 9:58:06 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Smokeyblue

WTFingF???

You would think there would be at least a few media whorenalists who would be alarmed by this...


5 posted on 05/08/2012 9:58:22 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Mr. K
I'll say one thing for all those “birther” deniers....

See any smoke yet? I sure as hell do....

6 posted on 05/08/2012 10:03:18 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: null and void
PING

"Previously unnoticed, the new rules allow the government to destroy microfilm copies of Selective Service registration records"

7 posted on 05/08/2012 10:04:31 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Sure gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling about our government supposedly of the people, by the people, and for the people. What a joke.


8 posted on 05/08/2012 10:07:34 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Smokeyblue

Government of the people, by the people, and for the people, my A$$.


9 posted on 05/08/2012 10:08:00 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They are Marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Smokeyblue

bkmk


10 posted on 05/08/2012 10:10:22 AM PDT by quickquiver (No, means N O.)
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To: mosaicwolf

When the fox is in charge of the government, do not expect the chickens to be safe. The crack smoking, dog eating socialist thug from Chicago will not stop at anything.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 10:10:43 AM PDT by entropy12 (No way I will do anything to help the thug from Chicago pResiding in WH)
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To: Smokeyblue

Makes me wonder what other documents and records may be okay to destroy...


12 posted on 05/08/2012 10:12:10 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: Smokeyblue
WHO changed the rules?

The SS system? The SS director?

The article states the rules were changed, published and when ... but who did it ?

13 posted on 05/08/2012 10:12:20 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: b4its2late

Back when they revived Selective Service, some who wanted to protest simply did not register.

Others though would register but would write long, scrawling protest on the card. Methinks Obammy did the latter.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 10:14:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: DonkeyBonker

So it’s OK to destroy Government held records but let some company guy delete e-mails and off to jail with you. Paging Mr. Kurt Mix.


15 posted on 05/08/2012 10:17:52 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Smokeyblue

I had to register within 30 days of my 18th birthday. According to the dates on the selective service registration form in the story, Barry registered either 4 or 5 days before his 19th birthday. Was the age of registration requirement changed?


16 posted on 05/08/2012 10:18:00 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Smokeyblue

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA SELECTIVE SERVICE TIMELINE
Created by Communities @WashingtonTimes.com

August 4, 1961 Alleged date Obama was born, allegedly in Honolulu, Hawaii

June, 1979 Obama graduates from Panahou School in Honolulu

August 4, 1979 Obama turns 18 years old

Fall 1979 Obama begins freshman year at Occidental College

Dec. 24, 1979 Soviet Union invades Afghanistan

July 2, 1980 Jimmy Carter restarts selective service registration requirement

July 28, 1980 Six-day window opens: men born in 1961 must register

July 29, 1980 Obama allegedly registers at post office in Honolulu

Sep. 4, 1980 Effective date of Obama’s registration following processing

Fall 1980 Obama begins sophomore year at Occidental College

Sep. 21, 2000 Selective Service issues 2000 privacy rules: “microfilm copy”

Sep. 7, 2008 Obama to Stephanopoulos: “had to sign up…when I graduated”

Oct. 29, 2008 SSS mails retired ICE agent a paper copy of Obama’s registration

Nov. 4, 2008 Barack Obama elected President of the United States

Sep. 16, 2011 World Net Daily: Cold Case Posse opening forgery investigation

Sep. 20, 2011 Selective Service 2011 privacy rules: “microfilm non-record copy”

March 1, 2012 “Cold Case Posse” press conference: “fraudulently created”

March, 2012 Arpaio sends letter requesting Obama’s registration records

March 22, 2012 SSS Reply:” no evidence Obama registration is not authentic”, but no records are released.

March 28, 2012 Arpaio 2nd letter: “please indicate whether or not you have possession of this document…we will travel to your facility to analyze it”

http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/misc/2012/05/07/barack-obama-selective-service-timeline.pdf


17 posted on 05/08/2012 10:19:25 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I don’t think he ever registered with SS or if he did, it was long after it was required. His SS card was a forgery.


18 posted on 05/08/2012 10:19:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Others though would register but would write long, scrawling protest on the card. Methinks Obammy did the latter.

I don't think foreign students had to register.

19 posted on 05/08/2012 10:20:24 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yeah, you’re probably correct.


20 posted on 05/08/2012 10:20:33 AM PDT by b4its2late (Patience is not a virtue, it is a waste of time.)
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To: Smokeyblue
Changes in the wording of Selective Service System record-keeping requirements, made days after the opening of an investigation

Same with Social Security numbers by residence state and destroying passport and other gov records.

21 posted on 05/08/2012 10:22:15 AM PDT by bgill
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To: thouworm

IMPORTANT MESSAGE

CHANGE TO PRE-1960 SELECTIVE SERVICE RECORDS REQUEST

National Archives and Records Administration has sole responsibility of ownership, storage, and retrieval of Selective Service records for men born before 1960. Consequently, Selective Service can no longer access any of these records.

All requests should be mailed directly to:

National Archives & Records Administration
National Archives at St. Louis
ATTN: RL-SL
P.O. Box 38757
St. Louis, MO 63138-0757


22 posted on 05/08/2012 10:23:16 AM PDT by kabar
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23 posted on 05/08/2012 10:23:33 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Smokeyblue

yea, nothing to see here...

of course, even a normal person with below average intelligence could spot this cover up


24 posted on 05/08/2012 10:23:58 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Nothing to see here ... because it was destroyed ...


25 posted on 05/08/2012 10:31:16 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Smokeyblue
I just verified Obama's SS registration. Go to this site.

Type in Obama for last name

Input SSN (not hyphens): 042684425

Input date of birth no slashes: 08041961

And voila you get the name Barack Hussein Obama and selective service # 61-1125539-1

26 posted on 05/08/2012 10:35:42 AM PDT by kabar
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To: oldbrowser

I believe there is The People, and there is The Government.

“Battle lines being drawn . . . .” - and NOT drawn by The People.


27 posted on 05/08/2012 10:36:18 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: bgill; Smokeyblue
Obama Passport ---

I don't think this new Cashill article has been posted as a thread on FR. Nothing new, but it is a good review of the facts, and it updates Sheriff Joe's interest.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Among the unexpected findings of the Sheriff Arpaio cold case was this one:

"Records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights originating outside the United States in the month of August 1961, examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. are missing records for the week of President Obama's birth, including the dates Aug. 1, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961."

Time for New Look at 2008 Obama Passport Breach By Jack Cashill, May 5, 2012

28 posted on 05/08/2012 10:37:51 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Smokeyblue

It is my understanding, also that the evidence of fraud isn’t just in the USPS “received” stamp. The upper right encoding does not follow SS guidance in effect at that time.

One glaring error is that the first 2 digits should be the same as the last two digits of the year of registration. In Obamugabe’s case, that would meen the registration card code should start with ^80^. Since it begins with an ^08^, his card was part of a batch of cards that was intended to be used on either 1908 or 2008.

I’m thinking that the CCP knows this and is withholding to trump the butt-lackey press.


29 posted on 05/08/2012 10:40:39 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Smokeyblue
"The new rules allow existing copies of documents that may be sought by investigators to be destroyed."

At the risk of repeating myself:
What new rule?
Which Department issued the new rule?
Which Office in that Department issued that new rule?
Which person in that Office in that Department issued the new rule?
Who authorized the new rule?
Which Cogressional Committee is investigating that new rule?

WHY AM NOT SURPRSED AT THE ASWERS?

30 posted on 05/08/2012 10:42:28 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Smokeyblue

The onus is on the individual to prove him/her-self up to meet the qualifications set by the government (employer)...not the other way around. This jackwad gets away with it. Let’s see how many records these scumbags destroyed and the effect on future requirements to be met. They may have over cleaned.


31 posted on 05/08/2012 10:46:21 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Might start your search with the Federal Register.

From the article:

The Selective Service System’s new privacy rules were published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, September 20, 2011


32 posted on 05/08/2012 10:48:26 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; thouworm; TheOldLady; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; ...
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Previously unnoticed, the new rules allow the government to destroy microfilm copies of Selective Service registration records and may create new obstacles for law enforcement agencies that are requesting records access for investigative purposes.

Article, then # 17 , # 23.

Thanks, Smokeyblue. Too late 0hbummer, we already know.

33 posted on 05/08/2012 10:51:21 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Smokeyblue

Criminal....


34 posted on 05/08/2012 10:52:22 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Everything about this guy is phony.


35 posted on 05/08/2012 11:01:18 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The President who ate the dog, will soon wag the dog.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon; Smokeyblue

We have a tyranny run by federal employees who make up smack any time and way they want and their “rules and regulations” are all of a sudden federal law. No votes, no sunlight, nothing. Just all of a sudden “voila! New laws! We can do whatever we want and you (and Congress) have no say!”

They had their revolution and no one has noticed (well, here on FR some have).


36 posted on 05/08/2012 11:02:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Except that he’s stupid, evil, commie, muzzie lover, ilegal and a sex pervert.


37 posted on 05/08/2012 11:04:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Smokeyblue
“We believe they are stonewalling,” Zullo added.

Never a doubt. Bad people = bad government.

38 posted on 05/08/2012 11:15:04 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Smokeyblue
I've gone from, "What is he hiding and why?" to just straight out, "Who is this guy?" It's as if a complete unknown became President of the United States. What we now know is still very murky. We knew nothing in 2008. .
39 posted on 05/08/2012 11:21:28 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: thouworm

The stamp says July 29. The date signed says July 30. Was there time travel involved?


40 posted on 05/08/2012 11:33:06 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Smokeyblue

We have lost the USA as I knew it!


41 posted on 05/08/2012 11:46:44 AM PDT by tayper (Granny told me, Saying it don't make it so)
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To: Smokeyblue

Satan is working overtime on this grand deception.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 11:50:07 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: Smokeyblue
TRANSPARENCY
43 posted on 05/08/2012 12:03:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Smokeyblue

They are destroying selective service records BECAUSE Obummer never registered! Now they can say his records got destroyed with all the rest, when they never existed in the first place. The whole deal is he showed a forged selective service service registration.


44 posted on 05/08/2012 12:04:26 PM PDT by kiltie65 (ui)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

His social security number is a composite, much like his girlfriend(s) in his autobiography...


45 posted on 05/08/2012 12:06:36 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: LucyT; Smokeyblue
Move along! There's nothing to see...

Wait a second.

There really is nothing to see here now!

46 posted on 05/08/2012 12:12:03 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Smokeyblue

1984 memory hole and chaos.


47 posted on 05/08/2012 12:21:16 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: mosaicwolf
>>Sure gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling about our government supposedly of the people, by the people, and for the people.<<

They've gone to extraordinary lengths in covering up the biggest constitutional crisis this country has yet to realize, but once the cards are laid out on the table, Americans will be furious.

Justice will be done eventually. The truth will overcome.

With that said, what is Uncle Sugar afraid of? Do they see the American people as the enemy?

If so, would they not make themselves enemy of the citizens of the United States? Enemies of the constitution, liberty and freedom.

Evil men hatch their plots in secret, in the darkness. This is G_d’s nation and HE will uncover these men.

48 posted on 05/08/2012 12:22:43 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: b4its2late

Murder to power... and people think Mao made mistakes in his transition to industry... he did not, it was part of the plan to murder to power, because, without jungle style hunger games restricting business for any reason (and real farming and industry minded people), you cannot be a dictator.


49 posted on 05/08/2012 12:23:45 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Myrddin

Well, did one pick these up at the post office, where it would be stamped, then you fill it out and give it back? Wouldn’t they logically stamp it when you turn it in though, as evidence of when they received it? That is very weird.


50 posted on 05/08/2012 12:43:30 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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