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Questioning Safety of Heavy Passengers on Planes
NYT ^ | May 7, 2012 | CHRISTINE NEGRONI

Posted on 05/08/2012 10:18:55 AM PDT by Brandonmark

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1 posted on 05/08/2012 10:19:08 AM PDT by Brandonmark
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To: Brandonmark
If a heavier person completely fills a seat, the seat is not likely to behave as intended during a crash

In the event of a crash, just what part of the aircraft will be 'behaving as intended', anyway?

2 posted on 05/08/2012 10:24:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Brandonmark

Is this actually a worry? I mean, is it that they’re getting calls from crippled fatties, or is it a theoretical problem that only popped up when someone did the math on the 170-pound rule? Because, I’ll tell you, we have a lot of other things to worry about. How many people are affected by plane accidents, really? And how many plane accidents are hard enough to hurt you without killig you?

I swear, if they could figure how the victims of out of date safety rules, it’d be something like 13 people.


3 posted on 05/08/2012 10:24:53 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Brandonmark

Notice the narrative in the media the last few days attacking ‘fatties’? Yep! Obamacare!

Rush is ALL OVER this, today!


4 posted on 05/08/2012 10:26:22 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Brandonmark

I’m sorry, but I think “big boned” folks should pay more for airfare. Why not charge by the pound, like we do steak, or volume as we do for so many things?

I go about 5’7” and 150 pounds, a few years ago my bag was 52 pounds and I got nailed $50 or so for the 2 pound overage. I turned around to see the next passenger who was 6’5” and 300+, and I wondered how I got nailed for 2 pounds and my wife and I weighed less than that giant.


5 posted on 05/08/2012 10:27:00 AM PDT by RGF
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To: Brandonmark

Does this mean that Michelle can’t fly commercial? How are they going to get back to Chicago in January?


6 posted on 05/08/2012 10:28:44 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: Brandonmark

The men in my family (and women) are extremely tall. The women are 6 ft. to 6’3 the men range from 6’2-6’7. Sure a 5 ft 10 gentleman is likely to look healthy at 170 lbs or less but a 6ft 7 gentleman looks like he just got out of a prison camp at less than 170. These people just lump everyone into a category and forget that everyone is not made in the image of government guidelines. I would venture to say that based on height and size Mrs. Obama surpasses the airline “safety” guidlines.


7 posted on 05/08/2012 10:30:03 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Brandonmark
“the unrestrained motion of the passenger.”

A meat bomb, in other words.
8 posted on 05/08/2012 10:30:21 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Here’s the narrative throughout:

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Obesity&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35&fr2=newsdd

Someone has gotten their ‘marching orders’.


9 posted on 05/08/2012 10:31:21 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Brandonmark

If they are fat, they are a danger to themselves as well as other passengers and crew.

Do not let the overweight people on the plane.


10 posted on 05/08/2012 10:32:25 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Brandonmark

By that logic, an AIDS victim who gets cut in a plane crash could endanger all of those in the vicinity.

But then, the BMI police don’t see things that way.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 10:33:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Smokin' Joe
So people who weigh more 170 pounds might not survive when the plane hits the deck at 500 knots? Holy crap. All right fatties, let that be a warning to you.
12 posted on 05/08/2012 10:33:51 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Brandonmark

I figure...maybe a few airplane seats have saved a few people...somehow or another. But, I’d say it’s really not all that important.


13 posted on 05/08/2012 10:34:45 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Brandonmark

I’m not sure what advantage/disadvantage weight makes when your falling from 30,000 feet.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 10:36:18 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Bacon wrapped in bacon, wrapped in bacon, wrapped in bacon...)
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To: Brandonmark

I just realized something, This war on weight began as Chris Christie is considering the VP slot. Coincidence? I think not.


15 posted on 05/08/2012 10:36:47 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Tublecane

When the IDEAL weight for a man who is 6 foot is 180, shouldn’t the seats be designed to deal with more that 170 pounds?

Or should everyone be gaunt or short or shot?


16 posted on 05/08/2012 10:36:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Tublecane

And how many plane accidents are hard enough to hurt you without killig you?


About half.

The point is that we should not let people impair the safety of others. If a bank of three seats is rated for 510 lbs, then there should be appropriate limits and rules.

Note that increasing the weight “capacity” of the seats no only makes the aircraft heavier and thus flying more expensive, but it harms the safety of normal passengers, because the seats are designed to collapse controllably (like car structures) to absorb the energy of the crash.

Certainly, if someone is 250 pounds (50% over the limit) they should be paying a surcharge, and a seat should be left empty between two biggies.

If someone is much more than that (say, over 300) then they should have two seats (leave it to the airline how and whether to charge them.


17 posted on 05/08/2012 10:37:17 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Uncle Slayton
If they are fat, they are a danger to themselves as well as other passengers and crew. Do not let the overweight people on the plane.

Mind your own business Michelle obama.

18 posted on 05/08/2012 10:38:45 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: RGF

Your 2 lb overage fee is to discourage people from packing heavy objects in baggage that has to be handled by many different people. You see the people at check in, the people who load the bags on the conveyor belt into the aircraft, but what about those people you don’t see? Those folk in the belly of the aircraft who have to stack the baggage in confined areas, the people who load the racks behind the ticket counter.

Although a lot is automated, it’s not all automated, and a lot of people will touch your luggage before you pick it up at your destination. The goal is to arrive at some ‘reasonable’ weight that allows you to pack, but doesn’t permanently harm the baggage handling personnel from the ticket gate, all the way to the baggage claim.

50 lbs was the weight the airlines decided on. And as a frequent flier, it’s pretty easy to manage this. All it takes is a bathroom scale, some 3rd grade arithmatic and a few minutes of your time.

Life would be a lot easier if everyone were blessed with your height/weight; but life isn’t fair.


19 posted on 05/08/2012 10:40:16 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: marstegreg
...Mrs. Obama surpasses the airline “safety” guidlines.

The safety guidelines presume a butt that is less than two axe handles wide.

20 posted on 05/08/2012 10:44:25 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Beelzebubba

The point is that we should not let people impair the safety of others.

And yet they allow terrorists on. I suppose they fit the guidelines but I would feel much better seeing a fat person get on board.


21 posted on 05/08/2012 10:44:47 AM PDT by marstegreg
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sigh...


22 posted on 05/08/2012 10:55:44 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: marstegreg

Yes, because as a fat person, when that terrorist gets up to charge the cockpit, I can fall down on them and keep them in place until they’re properly restrained. And punch them in the back of the head a few times while I’m down there.

(And yes, I’m a fatso.)

}:-)4


23 posted on 05/08/2012 10:57:27 AM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: RGF
I go about 5’7” and 150 pounds...

Yes, you should get to check bags over the wieght limit.

After all, I'm sure it's been a challenge being puny all your life.

24 posted on 05/08/2012 10:58:46 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Brandonmark
Mandatory Picture required....
 
 
 
... for all Fat Ass Airline Passenger Threads

You may now continue to post your horror stories at being seated next to such mongo monstrosities.


25 posted on 05/08/2012 11:01:58 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: RGF
I’m sorry, but I think “big boned” folks should pay more for airfare. Why not charge by the pound, like we do steak, or volume as we do for so many things?

How about total weight, not just passenger weight? Weigh the passenger and all baggage and ring 'em up.

26 posted on 05/08/2012 11:05:40 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

 
 
"I gotz to go now. Mah flight leaves in 10 minutes. I'll holler back when I lands in Chicago. Uh-huh."


27 posted on 05/08/2012 11:07:56 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Trod Upon
Not only that, but that 6'4" guy (who weighs 230, but isn't really fat) might squash all the little people in front of them! Whooda thunkit?

(I wonder how much that study is going to cost us?)

28 posted on 05/08/2012 11:14:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Trod Upon

But they could provide extra cushion for the rest of us.


29 posted on 05/08/2012 11:15:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: a fool in paradise
" the IDEAL weight for a man who is 6 foot is 180"

LOL! That's rich! The ideal weight of a rhinoceros is about 4,500 pounds but that doesn't get him an aisle seat.


30 posted on 05/08/2012 11:21:14 AM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: Brandonmark
It's not only planes, but also cars that are affected by additional weight. Especially the small cars that are becoming more popular. Loading several obese passengers into these cars often exceeds their safe load limit and poses a danger to other drivers.

It was especially well illustrated in a Top Gear episode I saw last night. They ran a small 4-door hatchback to 70mph, braked to a full stop and measured total distance.

With only the tiny 130lb stunt driver, the car did it in about 320 meters total.

With three obese passengers and the same driver, it took about 520 meters total. Both braking and acceleration performance declined by over 50%. I wish they also did a cornering test.

Keep in mind this was done without any luggage. Also, these people were obese but I've seen way bigger. I can't imagine the results if 4 super obese people and their luggage was included...

31 posted on 05/08/2012 11:33:16 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Osage Orange
But, I’d say it’s really not all that important

yep. "Don't worry about the 20000 foot fall, or the crash, or the ensuing fireball. I've got an FAA-approved seat!"

That's like driving over a cliff and thinking you'll be fine because of the airbags.

32 posted on 05/08/2012 11:35:39 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Brandonmark

Obese people die most readily in a crash. F=MA. Physics is a heartless bitch.


33 posted on 05/08/2012 11:41:44 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: RGF

At 5’7” you should ask to ride in the overhead bins. /s


34 posted on 05/08/2012 11:42:34 AM PDT by newzjunkey (I advocate separation of school and sport)
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To: Uncle Slayton

I was aboard a plane this weekend that had a women, who was VERY LARGE,taking up 1 1/2 seats. I was across the aisle and one row back in the over wing exit row. Not only she wouldn’t be able to fit through the exit ,if she tried she would have gotten stuck. In the event of an accident she would have gotten people killed.
She shouldn’t have been allowed to board.


35 posted on 05/08/2012 11:44:15 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Beelzebubba

I think they ought to charge a fixed fare from one spot to another to cover overhead, and then each passenger should pay a “fuel surcharge” to pay for the fuel that that individual will require to be moved from point a to point b.

Moreover, besides the soda tax, I say no restaurant should be allowed to serve over 1000 calories to any individual at one time.


36 posted on 05/08/2012 12:01:29 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: RGF

Excellent question. The pricing models airlines have used for 40 years has been just plain stupid.


37 posted on 05/08/2012 12:09:01 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Brandonmark

Give`em cargo parachutes instead.


38 posted on 05/08/2012 12:11:27 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (what?Who knew?)
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To: Brandonmark

Ban lardasses from airplanes!!!


39 posted on 05/08/2012 12:12:51 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ichabod1

While I might agree with you on the airline pricing scheme you have come up with, please keep your calorie counting to yourself, and find somewhere else to focus your energy other than my menu selections. Free will ya know.
& BTW I’m not a fattie! 5’10 and a fit 180lbs.


40 posted on 05/08/2012 12:21:52 PM PDT by enraged
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To: enraged

5’10” 180lbs gives you a BMI of 25.82 so according to the government you are overweight. Sorry your meal choices will now be made by a government employee. /s


41 posted on 05/08/2012 12:35:16 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

We all have a good laugh at those BMI numbers here at work when our yearly insurance checkups are due. I’m supposed to be around 165lbs, I haven’t weighed that since I was in xcountry track in high school! Nearly 30 years ago!

Damn, I’m old. What happened?


42 posted on 05/08/2012 12:40:46 PM PDT by enraged
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To: Moose4

(And yes, I’m a fatso.)

No sir. You are a Patriot! :)


43 posted on 05/08/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: enraged

Yeah I remember when I went to Ranger school, nearly 30 years ago also. I was 190 lbs at 6’ 1” and overweight, BMI is pure BS.


44 posted on 05/08/2012 12:51:50 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

The safety guidelines presume a butt that is less than two axe handles wide.

I do believe you just called FLOTUS a Battle-axe! (if the shoe fits!)


45 posted on 05/08/2012 12:56:07 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Smokin' Joe

So - any crash that would cause seat failure - isn’t likely one you will survive anyway... so whats the deal with the seat “behaving as intended”...


46 posted on 05/08/2012 12:56:50 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: ichabod1
Moreover, besides the soda tax, I say no restaurant should be allowed to serve over 1000 calories to any individual at one time.

And fat people should be required to wear a patch in the shape of a fork too, right? Any other good totalitarian ideas you can come up with, while we're at it?

47 posted on 05/08/2012 1:25:02 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TheBattman

Way I figure, if everything on the plane was functioning as intended, you’d land safe sitting on an orange crate. If it crashes, I think there is more malfunctioning to worry about than the seat...


48 posted on 05/08/2012 1:25:44 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Brandonmark
More than six decades ago, when the federal standards on the strength of airplane seats and seat belts were written, government regulations specified that seats be designed for a passenger weight of 170 pounds. But now the average American man weighs nearly 194 pounds and the average woman 165.

Wouldn't any decent engineer would take that requirement and design for 340 pounds?

49 posted on 05/08/2012 2:13:59 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: marstegreg

I regret that I have but one pizza-and-beer gut to give in the service of my country.

:)

}:-)4


50 posted on 05/08/2012 2:19:45 PM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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