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Sukhoi SuperJet Demo Flight Crashes In Inonesia, Plane + 46 Passengers Missing
NYCAviation ^ | May 9-2012 | MAtt Molnar

Posted on 05/09/2012 7:41:42 PM PDT by tcrlaf

A Sukhoi Superjet 100 performing a demonstration flight for media, airline and aviation personnel with 46 people onboard crashed near a mountain in Indonesia on Wednesday. Their fate was not immediately known, as a search and rescue operation had to be called off due to bad weather.

Contact with the 100-seat jet (registration RA-97004) was lost about 20 minutes after takeoff from Halim Perdanakusuma Airport in Jakarta, according to early reports. An official told Reuters that that radio contact was lost with the plane after it descended from 10,000 feet to 6,000 feet. It disappeared from radar near the 7,200-ft Mount Salak.

Several Indonesian airlines, aerospace and travel concerns, along with two media organizations were represented onboard, according to a passenger manifest published by the Kompas newspaper. Sky Aviation, a new regional carrier with 12 Superjets on order, had 10 employees onboard, while Kartika Airlines, which has ordered 30 Superjets, had one rep onboard.

The list also included reps from Airfast Indonesia, Pelita Air, Sriwijaya Airlines, Air Maleo, Aviastar, Angkasa Pura, Dirgantara Indonesia, Snecma, Indo Asia, PT KAI, Carpedrem Mardin and TR. Also onboard were reporters from Bloomberg and Trans TV.

(Excerpt) Read more at nycaviation.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: crash; indonesia; sukhoi
UPDATE 10:20 PM ET: Indonesian rescuers have located the plane on a mountain at an altitude of 5,200 feet, according to a Twitter report from Sergey Dolya.

This is a fairly big deal, as the Sukhoi is the first real westernized Russian Production Aircraft, and is sucking up market share from Boeing in Asia, with this lower-cost competitor.

1 posted on 05/09/2012 7:41:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
The aircraft in question, a couple of hours before it crashed.
2 posted on 05/09/2012 7:43:27 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

A 737-ski?

I’ve flown on Aeroflot, and swore I’d walk if I had to fly with them again....


3 posted on 05/09/2012 7:45:36 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: tcrlaf

Why would they call a shrunken 732 a “Super Jet?”

But prayers for the families — how strange...


4 posted on 05/09/2012 7:46:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: tcrlaf

Last night i heard there were some political and media passengers.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 7:49:03 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: tcrlaf

One of the newscasts said that some of the passengers were “potential buyers”! Oops ... lost some potential there.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 7:50:43 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: ASOC

Embraer 190-ovitch


7 posted on 05/09/2012 7:52:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: ASOC

Much more like a copy of the EMB 190/195 series, in the same passenger class, than a 737 copy.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 7:52:59 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: ASOC

This is a top of the line commuter plane replacement, built with help from Boeing. It would not be a 737 competitor.

It is fly by wire.

The request for, and granting, of an altitude clearance that would not clear the nearby mountains is puzzling.

http://avherald.com/h?article=44f464f7&opt=0


9 posted on 05/09/2012 7:53:41 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ASOC

I’ve flown on Aeroflot, and swore I’d walk if I had to fly with them again....


A buddy of mine said the same thing. He said he had a few Vodka’s.


10 posted on 05/09/2012 7:55:02 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: ASOC

Embraer 190-ovitch

We used to call them Aeroplop, although their Trans-Atlantic service on 767s was not too bad.

Ever fly Cubana? They flew a/c they were too old for Aeroflot!


11 posted on 05/09/2012 7:55:50 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: tcrlaf

BTTT. I wonder: terrorism, mechanical, or weather?


12 posted on 05/09/2012 7:57:00 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: rdl6989

My guess would be flying to close to a mountain in a Demo flight.

They are also known to have problems with the entirely new, home-produced engines. Or, given Indonesia, it could be something as simple as contaminated fuel.


13 posted on 05/09/2012 8:00:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: ltc8k6

demonstration flight circling these mountains and flying between them does not sound like a very good idea. Pretty obvious if it was found on the mountain that either a wind shear of some sort or just pilot error/distraction caused them to fly into the 7000+ or 9000+ foot mountain when cleared to descend from 10000 to 6000...thoughts and prayers to families and friends.


14 posted on 05/09/2012 8:02:00 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: ltc8k6
The request for, and granting, of an altitude clearance that would not clear the nearby mountains is puzzling.

What Putin enemy was on the plane?

15 posted on 05/09/2012 8:04:14 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: onemiddleamerican

“What Putin enemy was on the plane?”

Comparing Putin to Bill Clinton?
That’s low...


16 posted on 05/09/2012 8:08:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf
"......and is sucking up market share from Boeing in Asia, with this lower-cost competitor."

Incorrect.

Boeing has not lost a single order to this aircraft, nor will they.

17 posted on 05/09/2012 8:12:46 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: tcrlaf

Update tweet from an Aviation Blogger with the SAR team, that decided not to take the flight:

Translation: “We have aircraft coordinates. Altitude is 5200 feet. Helicopters have taken off to confirm location and current conditions”

Translation: “Until further information is confirmed, we have been forbidden to provide any more information. Don’t call for now”


18 posted on 05/09/2012 8:20:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: tcrlaf

Vodka. Served in “stakany” , in English tall glasses.


19 posted on 05/09/2012 8:24:24 PM PDT by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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To: tcrlaf
This is a fairly big deal, as the Sukhoi is the first real westernized Russian Production Aircraft, and is sucking up market share from Boeing in Asia, with this lower-cost competitor.

Not anymore.

20 posted on 05/09/2012 8:24:33 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: tcrlaf

Anyone who has paid attention at all to international travel for the last 2-3 decades knows this one rule:

DON’T FLY ON RUSSIAN / SOVIET AIRLINERS!


21 posted on 05/09/2012 8:29:51 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Or CHINESE...


22 posted on 05/09/2012 8:35:33 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: MindBender26

Having worked on there version of a Trans-Atlantic Jet Liner the IL62M there carbon copy of the VC10 but as usual they did not steal the weight and balance an had to add a Tail Wheel to it...Many times we filled there H2O with degerm instead of the toilets all ids were in Russian. Had to go up on them twice at Pan Ams World Port and was stopped by a lady in PAN AM WHITE COVERALLS that I was wearing an she wanted to know where was the air cond they had none.....Galleys had used 1937 Nash Kelvinator Refrigs in them with electric frying pans to cook the food no micro waves on board all toilets were ceramic ala 1927 USA....An you wonder why they crash? The belly areas had 2 inch thick beaver board for floor boards. No nets so bags bounced all over the place???????


23 posted on 05/09/2012 8:47:12 PM PDT by straps (Ex-Pan Am Mechanic)
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To: straps
Was at Chernobyl for aftermath of explosion.

Telephone on tree in middle of field looked like samovar from 1936 Russian sub.... but you could direct dial US and put on AT&T phone card!

Mechanic put one liter of oil in right radial engine of twin counter-rotating blade helicopter every 30 minutes. Never pull the oil dipstick, just add oil. So much smoke it looked like they were spraying for mosquitos. No mag check, no pre-flight, just fly it.

Pilots shack just like here in US; pictures of naked women, MiG instead of US fighters, and Sky Kings Cessna 310!

24 posted on 05/09/2012 8:57:11 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: straps
Was at Chernobyl for aftermath of explosion.

Telephone on tree in middle of field looked like samovar from 1936 Russian sub.... but you could direct dial US and put on AT&T phone card!

Mechanic put one liter of oil in right radial engine of twin counter-rotating blade helicopter every 30 minutes. Never pull the oil dipstick, just add oil. So much smoke it looked like they were spraying for mosquitos. No mag check, no pre-flight, just fly it.

Pilots shack just like here in US; pictures of naked women, MiG instead of US fighters, and Sky Kings Cessna 310!

25 posted on 05/09/2012 8:57:17 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: unkus

“I’ve flown on Aeroflot, and swore I’d walk if I had to fly with them again....
A buddy of mine said the same thing. He said he had a few Vodka’s.”

I disagree.
I’ve flown Aeroflot, Aeroflot-Don, and S7 on many trips to and throughout Russia, going back to the days of the Tupolev TU-154. I had heard of all the horror stories, and was very nervous on the first trip.

Instead, I found all of my flights to be as good as or better than any domestic flights I had flown. The flights were smooth, the service excellent, and believe it or not, the food was great! Plus, all drinks were free.

I would recommend Aeroflot to anyone.


26 posted on 05/09/2012 8:59:21 PM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: straps

“Airport” still there at Google Earth:

51 17 10.31 North
30 11 58.76 East

Enjoy


27 posted on 05/09/2012 9:01:06 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: ASOC
Sure looks like someone's “design dept.” took lots of pics of 737s or maybe an EMB, but you can bet your bippy it isn't original.

Had a friend fly Aeroflop once out of Kazyakistan and he said the only ones on the plane not smoking were the dogs.

Happy I do not fly in/out of Indonesia any longer, much less on a damn ruski suk!! After a few Indonesia flights you could sleep on a ScareWest flight.

28 posted on 05/09/2012 9:09:03 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: mkleesma

Okay.


29 posted on 05/09/2012 9:09:08 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: ltc8k6
The request for, and granting, of an altitude clearance that would not clear the nearby mountains is puzzling.

Not at all. We have seen this sort of thing before in Russian Aviation. Remember the reason the airliner with the Polish president crashed, the Poles say the pilot got bad orders, the Russians say the pilot didn't correctly follow orders.
The question is who was on the plane? The last report I saw on this said the passengers were foreign nationals and eight Russians. Foreign nationals from where?

30 posted on 05/09/2012 9:56:31 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: X-spurt

Of all the flights I’ve taken, the spookiest was Ely, NV to Elko, NV. Shake, rattle and roll over the mountains (through the pass in the Ruby Mnts). One year after I left the mine near Carlin, a friend of mine broke his ankle in a very lucky crash during a too low decent into Elko. Twelve passenger metro liners as I recall.

The crash in Indonesia is quite tragic. It sure sounds like pilot error.


31 posted on 05/09/2012 10:00:38 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: tcrlaf

I guessing the Russians lost the sale.


32 posted on 05/09/2012 10:29:58 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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I don’t know who they were but, this pic says it all about this crash

http://avherald.com/img/sukhoi_su95_ra-97004_jakarta_120509_2.jpg


33 posted on 05/09/2012 10:51:22 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ASOC
I’ve flown on Aeroflot, and swore I’d walk if I had to fly with them again....

Me too... way back when they were building the first McDonald's in Moscow. The flight (Helsinki to Moscow) was packed with Finnish workers because the USSR couldn't get anyone to work.

A bit of a rickety plane, but not as bad as Faucett (Peru) or Air Algeria.

34 posted on 05/09/2012 10:58:32 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: JimSEA

Your buddy is one lucky fool....

“January 16, 1990

A commuter plane crashed while trying to land in a snowstorm today, injuring all 16 people on board, officials said.

But most of the passengers walked away from the crash. Four people, including the captain, were admitted to Elko General Hospital, and 12 others were treated and released, a nursing supervisor said. All four of those hospitalized were in fair condition.

Federal Aviation Administration officials said the plane, SkyWest Flight 5855, was flying from Salt Lake City to Elko when it crashed about 9:30 A.M. west of the airport in this town of 8,800 people in northeastern Nevada.

The wreckage was spotted by a helicopter pilot who returned to Elko to fly medical personnel to the scene and to airlift the most seriously injured to the hospital.

No one aboard had been thrown from the plane and the fuselage of the aircraft was intact on the northeastern face of the mountain, said Pete Schory of Salt Lake City, one of the rescuers.”


35 posted on 05/09/2012 11:00:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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The problem facing other carriers is they have maintenance fqrmed out to southeast Asia locations and how well they actually do it there is questionable.


36 posted on 05/09/2012 11:41:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: tcrlaf
Looking at pictures of the crash site, I think that the possibility of survivors can be ruled out.


37 posted on 05/09/2012 11:51:18 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

Accidental,deliberate or stupid hot-dogging?


38 posted on 05/10/2012 2:55:15 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: JimSEA

We always drove from Ely to Elko. Didn’t know anyone flew. SLC to Ely on some “mail carrier” was an “experience” as well, probably lucky it was not ScareWest.

Best thing about flying into Elko it landed coming low over the Stockman’s and could get a glimps of the Star and thinking of dinner, yummie. Star definately the best Basque although Nevada Dinner House was a close 2nd, Biltoki once was enough.


39 posted on 05/10/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: JimSEA

We always drove from Ely to Elko. Didn’t know anyone flew. SLC to Ely on some “mail carrier” was an “experience” as well, probably lucky it was not ScareWest.

Best thing about flying into Elko it landed coming low over the Stockman’s and could get a glimps of the Star and thinking of dinner, yummie. Star definately the best Basque although Nevada Dinner House was a close 2nd, Biltoki once was enough.


40 posted on 05/10/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: tcrlaf

LOL!


41 posted on 05/10/2012 6:01:12 AM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: X-spurt

Memories!!! The Star had the best salad and lamb chops but the Dinner House had sweetbreads.


42 posted on 05/10/2012 6:22:58 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Almost makes ya want to go back to Elko...... well almost.


43 posted on 05/10/2012 6:50:23 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

We actually enjoyed living there because of the people, the Jarbridge Mnts, the Ruby Mountains / Marsh fishing. However the commute to the mine and the miserable winters are not missed.


44 posted on 05/10/2012 9:19:55 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
You list some the same reasons I actually enjoyed Elko.
BUT unless you have some connection with the mines, there's not much reason to be there. Didn't mean to demean Elko.
45 posted on 05/10/2012 3:09:04 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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