Skip to comments.Why Jews Hate Guns
Posted on 05/09/2012 10:32:55 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
Its no secret that one of the largest blocs of people pressing for so-called gun control is the culturally (aka not-so-religious) American Jewish community. This confounds many observers who would expect that Jews, with such a stunning history of oppression and murder by humanitys villains, would cling tenaciously to personal firearms and the ability to protect themselves as the Hebrew Scriptures instruct.
In reaction to the Holocaust, American Jews adopted the phrase Never Again! If actions mean anything, they dont believe it. Thats for someone else to do. How do Jews expect to put teeth behind the words Never Again! if not with the ability to apply and project personal force when righteous -- and necessary -- for survival?
Why then do so many American Jews hate guns and fear gun ownership so much?
Our research identifies ten reasons why these Jews feel the way they do about self defense in general, firearms specifically and your own right to keep and bear arms.
(Excerpt) Read more at jpfo.org ...
“I am Jewish and you are going to be shocked at how many Jews are going to vote against Obama. It will be historical.”
Approximately 77% for FOR Obama. I am not impressed with their voting habits.
George Peppard in Tobruk was more like it. A Jewish commando kicking Nazi a$$. FU Modern Hollywood.
I prefer the Bear Jew
I forgot about him. An anti-Nazi golem of a sort.
“Never Again” should imply “... from my cold, dead hands”. Liberty is still too fragile.
I think you’ve accurately described the historical conditioning. The elephant image is quite apt.
And yet...here are Jews in the one place where they and others, and others allegedly far less gifted in terms of depth of culture and regard for artistic and creative and entrepreneurial talent and the potential for all that stuff could finally be planted into fertile ground and at least have a good chance for germination, growth, and ultimate success. Yet there is still little or no appreciation for the absolutely unique-in-human-history circumstance of America.
I consider it a shortcoming of tragic proportions that the uniqueness of America is ignored or dissed. Not just by Jews, but especially by Jews. If Jews are so damn smart, how come they don’t get this? The obvious answer, as you’ve laid out, is that they believe the mishmosh of the chanted lore more than they believe their own eyes and senses. Here, where Jews arguably have more religious freedom than in any other place that comes to mind, including Israel, to practice their faith to any degree they may choose; Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, somehow the lesson, the opportunity, the freedom isn’t appreciated. It’s dumb, to put it in crass terms.
>>American Christian Liberals
>As a Christian myself....can there even BE such a thing? Seriously...
I suppose that depends on the question of what definition of ‘liberal’ you are using.
Though the contemporary-political definition is mutually exclusive to Christianity on the philosophical level: one says that man is basically good, and utopia can be had, IF ONLY WE COULD GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN CHARGE... and the other says that mankind is in desperate need of a hero to save them from their enslavement to evil.
G_d knows what some people call socialism nowadays, but a lot of the Jews who fought back were socialists.
Generalizing is difficult, but wasn't it the obedient, law-abiding middle classes who expected justice from governments who were more passive?
But of course, for some people here today, everything European is socialist.
That was also a good reminder of local elections, it is the same with blacks, a seemingly small shift of support to the republicans can mean a lot in local elections, and control of cities. Every little bit helps.
Jews arrived here as liberal, and remained so, they always have and do serve as the cadre and leadership, intellectuals and funders for the left, they were not shaped by America, instead, they have refused to allow America to pull them into our natural Protestant conservatism.
We are hoping that they will change, not that they will revert to something.
What you say mey be true,
I remember being shocked reading Richard Rhode's "Dark Sun" and the telling of the espionage efforts stealing US nuclear secrets and selling them to the Soviets. The spy networks were almost 100% Jewish. Rhodes never attempted to explain this treachery, just recounted it.
Look, Jews (and Catholics) were heavily discriminated against by Protestants when they first came over and for many decades after that. Naturally, they’re going to be attracted to a party, The Democrat Party, that welcomes them. It’s difficult to determine how many Jews would be conservatives if it weren’t for people like Henry Ford, the so-called saviors of Christianity, the KKK, and other people and orgs who made their hatred of Jews and other non-WASPs a very open secret.
Sorry, but they brought their European liberalism and unionism to America, evil America did not ruin them, it was one of the things that Protestants created America for, to escape European leftism.
The Democrat Party that they were devoted to WAS the party of the KKK.
To be sure there were plenty of leftists in the Jewish immigrants of the late 1800s and early 1900s. But the fact is, they were made to feel unwelcome by the WASP majority. The KKK wasn’t a force in the big northern cities. The Dem Party eagerly lapped up the Jewish vote while the Republicans missed their chance.
LOL, no, the GOP did not drive away the Jews at the beginning, or the middle, or today, or forever, they are devoted democrats, always have been and always will be.
Blacks were devoted republicans until 1936, Jews have never voted republican.
yeah, I guess that's why Reagan only got 40% of the Jewish vote in 1980. Carter got 40%. lol
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I think the author ignored an important factor, most Jews reside in large urban areas and, frankly, don't vote much different from the people around them.
For those worried about the lack of Jewish cowboys and the Goldwaters and the KKK I give you.
hardly allies of the Goldwater clan, though yes, the KKK supported Barry, support he rejected.
And then theres
I've often been surprised by the exhibits in many museums in the Southwest of western Jews, and recall stumbling on large temporary exihibitions in both Phoenix and Santa Fe on the topic. Not many Jews in the west, but they were around.
Republicans got 27% of the Jewish vote in 1976, 39% in 1980, and 31% in 1984, what is your point, that I used the word democrat in place of liberal?
When I have looked at that, it doesn't hold up, the Jewish vote was always farther left, until this thing with black voting really hardened up.
That seems like an incredibly lame explanation, poof, suddenly in 1920 almost all American Jews suddenly became genetically left wingers, when before they weren't.
Misguided secular Tikkun haOlam
Can you explain why? What has changed for them since 2008?
ObamaCare and Israel.
I will never understand this.
If the Jews were armed during the rise of Nazism and WWII, could the Holocaust have taken place on such a scale.
The story if the Warsaw Ghetto belies this stupidity. The Jews in the WG made sure they were heavily armed... with guns, and when attacked fought a heroic battle at kept the Nazis at bay for a long time, killing off a whole lot of them.
I can't figure out how American Jews, who support the party of personal disarmament, can have any care for a fully armed Israel. But somehow they think that Israel is justified in arming itself for defense against its enemies, and yet Americans should not arm themselves in defense of themselves.
But why Obamacare?
An inordinate amount of Jews are doctors or have doctors in their families. Doctors hate Obamacare. I personal know so mamy that are beside themselves with anger. I’d say 90% of the Jews I know who voted for Obama in 2008 have told me they will not vote fo him again.
Anecdotal, true... But I believe it. As an added point, several Of my friends have told me that they will vote for Romney, but they would not have voted for any of the other primary candidates.
Do you have any idea how many Jews there are on FreeRepublic and how many of .conservative’s best spokespeople are jewish. Therefore, I am I am a bit bent out of shape by your stereotype.
In follow-up to my prior post, I did some pondering as to why Israeli attitudes are so different compared to their European cousins in the states...consider this series of events unique to those that made it to Palestine after the war:
1.) The Holocaust. Surviving near-total industrial elimination of your kin, on a scale unseen before in history.
2.) Palestine/early State of Israel. Escaping to your promised land, and for the first time in life, there’s no secular authority to be servile to (that will protect you, anyway)...quite literally, you and yours are on your own.
3.) Knowledge of those who resisted, be it the Warsaw Ghetto, Sobibor, Dachau, et al....there might even be a few of the survivors in your community.
4.) On a personal level, picking up a surplus Mauser 98K or Sten gun, blasting several bad guys looking to eliminate you and yours, holding the battle line for your village...and for the first time in your life, realizing you’ve resisted AND WON.
I can see that (especially #4, with personal experience of the great force multiplier that is the modern firearm) knocking the scales from a LOT of eyes.
I believe I have read that 90 to 95 percent of Blacks voted for Obama. It would not be an unfair "stereotype" to say that the typical Black supports Obama and will probably vote for him in November.
What can you say about American Jews? How did they vote in 2008 and how do you think they will vote in 2012?
Wyatt Earp was Jewish, although he preferred pistol whipping perps to shooting them.
My point is you keep trying to claim or intimate that all Jews are born leftists. Obviously, many of them are not.
Actually his third wife, Josephine Marcus. He’s buried in the Marcus plot in a Jewish cemetary.
That is ridiculous, and it is not your point, you just keep posting nonsense that isn’t true, as though you can change the facts and voting reality, or at least conceal them on a conservative political site, for a conservative who is active politically, it is a strange effort, and it sure doesn’t help us to know what we are dealing with in regards to achieving our political goals.
Name something I said that isn’t true. I made the point that the prejudice towards Jews when they first came to this country and continuing for decades up to the sixties certainly didn’t help them embrace conservative politics. That’s all. They were made to feel in subtle and not so subtle ways that they weren’t real Americans. But if Reagan (not exactly your typical squishy Rino) could get 40% of the Jewish vote, then it isn’t ridiculous to believe that more American Jews can be attracted to conservative principles. I mean, who are David Horowitz...Harry Stein..David Mamet...Ron Silver? There’s a lot more. All were liberal Jews who switched to conservatism. Your earlier posts incidicated that you thought Jews were always and forever leftists, and nothing could be done to attract them. Admit what you said, and let’s move on.
Reagan got 39% of the Jewish vote, then only 31% voted for him in his landslide reelection in 1984.
Jews are liberal, accept that, as a supposed conservative you sure are doing a lot of American bashing, and Republican bashing, to pretend something about a dependable left wing voting block, I have no idea why.
No, I have no idea of either of those things.
I also don’t understand your use of the word “therefore”. “Therefore” normally follows a train of logical assertions or claims. Not a question.
I was referring to the great majority of secular Jewish voters who grew up in the 20’s and 30’s and 40’s and became one of the Democrats most fervent, unwavering, and fully taken-for-granted support groups. I challenge you to show me any piece of data that even suggests otherwise. Just one piece of data. That generation spawned the current generation who votes in almost exactly the same way. Their voting records in the last election were in the 80% Dem range. And if you talk to Jewish voters, they will spew out the same stupid idiocy they have been spewing for 50 years. The Jews who have found FR know very well what I am referring to. Among Jews, they are a small minority, still, even after getting gobsmacked again by the results of voting with their worn-out bag of tribal lore instead of their alleged intelligence. 25% maximum, I would guess. I stand by my stereotype, and I stated twice how embarassed I was to belong to such a generally misguided class. Sorry if you are bent out of shape. Maybe if I only do more, reality will not beat the crap out of me next time. Sound familiar?
I simply report what was. Realism is better than blindness.
Blindness is these evasions from facts and reality that you keep attempting in some cheap effort to defend left wing voters. I don’t know why a conservative would be going to such lengths.
You’re the one evading facts.
Jews arrived here as liberal, and remained so, they always have and do serve as the cadre and leadership, intellectuals and funders for the left, they were not turned into liberals by evil America and republicans, instead, they have refused to allow America to pull them into our natural Protestant conservatism.
We are hoping that they will change, not that they will revert to something that you claim they were until they met the evil Americans and GOP.
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