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Lugar Defeat Sends Many Messages
Townhall.com ^ | May 10, 2012 | Matt Towery

Posted on 05/10/2012 4:53:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

The defeat of Indiana Sen. Richard Lugar has political tongues wagging all over the nation. Lugar was a major force in the U.S. Senate. He was well liked by colleagues and, ironically, made an early political name for himself as mayor of Indianapolis, where he became known as a strong proponent of the federal government giving power back to cities.

In light of his substantial loss in a GOP primary to State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, Lugar has an opinion as to the loss and what it means, as does his opponent -- as does every Republican and Democratic pundit in America.

Lugar, who was thought of as a rock solid conservative in the days of Ronald Reagan, is clearly stunned that he has somehow been transported in time to a point at which many of his votes and actions had a significant number of Indiana voters believing that he was not conservative enough to continue representing them. He issued a pointed letter following his defeat, blaming increasing partisanship across the nation for his loss. Votes that he felt were necessary for the nation that have since become unpopular with many conservatives doomed his re-election, according to Lugar.

Having been in those hotel suites when an incumbent U.S. senator loses, I can say without hesitation that no matter how far Lugar got off course, I feel for him. Such a scene is much like the immediate family holding a wake -- except in the world of U.S. senators, death would be greeted with less grief. Even those who worked to defeat him should find this man and thank him for his service in the Senate. Regardless of his more recent votes, Sen. Lugar often supplied the critical swing vote in promoting endless conservative and Republican agendas over many decades of service.

Lugar's opponent made it clear that his victory shows that the tea party is alive and well. He is flat out ... right. What most pundits don't get is that the tea party is, and always was, less a party and more a state of mind. And the image that many in the media have of people dressed in Uncle Sam costumes marching down Main Street, U.S.A. as being representative of the tea party is silly. For an incumbent U.S. senator with such huge seniority to lose in a Republican primary in a state known for reasonable and well educated voters, it takes more than the furor of a few activists -- it takes, as even some Democrats might say, a village.

Democrats are highlighting Lugar's defeat as huge evidence of the "extremist nature" of the GOP this year. And some longtime Republican leaders are likely quietly bemoaning the fact that "the nuts" have taken over their party. If so, they are grossly out of touch with the Republican constituency.

Add up the total votes for Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum when both were competitive this year, and it will demonstrate that the very conservative vote among Republicans is more than alive and well.

And the thought that conservatives are motivated in 2012, but only in primary elections, will be proven incorrect when November rolls around. I predict that Mitt Romney's onetime opponents, such as former Speaker Newt Gingrich, will in coming days end their tepid endorsements of Romney and will come out in full force for him.

The real lesson in the Lugar defeat is one of retail politics. Many voters, not just Republicans, are sick of Washington royalty. They perceive many of their Republican leaders as being too caught up in the intricacies and luxuries of the "inside the beltway world" to understand the hell they are going through trying to pay outrageous taxes, keep their homes and businesses going, and just plain making ends meet.

In an article in Politico, Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss was quoted as saying, "I know I'll have an opponent in 2014." I respectfully disagree. Chambliss has a strong conservative voting record and is his state's senior U.S. senator. And he has the good fortune of serving with a very popular and extremely active junior Republican senator, Johnny Isakson.

Chambliss and other in his party don't have to expect opposition as long as they acknowledge their constituents mean business, and with regard to that business, they pound their local pavement to prove that they realize the business that they are in is retail.


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1 posted on 05/10/2012 4:54:01 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Hatch must be shaking in his boots...


2 posted on 05/10/2012 4:58:16 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Kaslin

The bottom line is that none of these people should be able to make a career out of public office. They act like they’re somehow entitled to be lifelong members of of the ‘elected elite’. They never have to have a real job. They never have to really live under the laws they pass. Plus, even if they don’t get reelected they still get fantastic pensions etc. In the meantime, the good old US of A has to borrow money from China to pay its bills, and we have to listen to people like Bill Ayers gleefully talk publicly about how America is now a declining power.


3 posted on 05/10/2012 5:04:30 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Kaslin
Add up the total votes for Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum when both were competitive this year, and it will demonstrate that the very conservative vote among Republicans is more than alive and well.

The Indiana Tea Party learned a lesson in 2010 when Evan Bayh's seat was open. In that election, there were 4 or more candidates that popped up as "Tea Party" candidates to replace Bayh and there was one establishment candidate (Coats) in the race. The Tea Party vote split regionally and Coats coasted back into office. This time around, it was one establishment candidate (Lugar) and one Tea Party supported candidate (Mourdock)and the establishment was defeated.

That there were multiple Tea Party supported Presidential candidates in 2012 is how we ended up with Romney. Hate to say it, but we may need some national level Tea Party organization to slate a candidate next time around.

4 posted on 05/10/2012 5:05:31 AM PDT by IamConservative (Shall I try and perhaps fail or shall I do nothing without fail?)
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To: Kaslin

I voted for Richard Mourdock on TUES

I got tired of getting neutral form letters from Lugar’s Office on issues that clearly needed a correct decision to be made...Lugar was there too long and became an elitist - forgetting who he answered to...

I hope NOV 2012 goes the same for Commissar Obama and his thugs...”Kick the Bum out!”


5 posted on 05/10/2012 5:08:32 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Kaslin
What most pundits don't get is that the tea party is, and always was, less a party and more a state of mind.

That's being charitable. What they should get is that reality does not conform itself to their wishful thinking just because they're liberals.

6 posted on 05/10/2012 5:08:58 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: BCW
I got tired of getting neutral form letters from Lugar’s Office on issues that clearly needed a correct decision to be made...Lugar was there too long and became an elitist - forgetting who he answered to...

Exactly. If for no other reason.. at 36 years in the Senate, Lugar had been there long enough. Regardless of party, they tend to become enculturated into the beltway structure.

7 posted on 05/10/2012 5:12:40 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... so should voting!)
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To: Kaslin

The longer they stay in Washington, the more leftist they become.

It is a disease and none are immune.

The longer they are there, the more their world becomes Washington and their ‘good friends from across the aisle’ than their constituents. From what I have read, Lugar hasn’t even have a residence in Indiana for decades. So, who was he actually ‘representing’?

Incumbency becomes like a bad fungal infestion. They get comfortable and fester.


8 posted on 05/10/2012 5:12:49 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Kaslin
On Target

For an incumbent U.S. senator with such huge seniority to lose in a Republican primary in a state known for reasonable and well educated voters, it takes more than the furor of a few activists -- it takes, as even some Democrats might say, a village. ....

.....The real lesson in the Lugar defeat is one of retail politics. Many voters, not just Republicans, are sick of Washington royalty. They perceive many of their Republican leaders as being too caught up in the intricacies and luxuries of the "inside the beltway world" to understand the hell they are going through trying to pay outrageous taxes, keep their homes and businesses going, and just plain making ends meet.

9 posted on 05/10/2012 5:14:09 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Kaslin; Clintonfatigued; Impy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; no dems; perfect_rovian_storm; ...
Many voters, not just Republicans, are sick of Washington royalty. They perceive many of their Republican leaders as being too caught up in the intricacies and luxuries of the "inside the beltway world" to understand the hell they are going through trying to pay outrageous taxes, keep their homes and businesses going, and just plain making ends meet.

I think there's a lot of truth in this article.

10 posted on 05/10/2012 5:17:01 AM PDT by randita
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To: hoosiermama

we are sick of this “reach across the aisle” garbage.
We want warriors who will only reach across the aisle if it is to strangle the liberal agenda.


11 posted on 05/10/2012 5:17:14 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Kaslin

First, Lugar no longer had a real home in Indiana. He was not Indiana’s senator, but rather a Washington DC senator with some historic links to Indiana. Second, the label “moderate” applies to someone willing, and maybe even eager, to compromise with the left. But unlike a normal compromise where both you and your opponent give up something and meet in the middle, a DC moderate is someone who gives up everything important legislatively to get a kind word from the left in the Washington Post or NY Times.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 5:21:46 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Kaslin

Plus, the NRA actively supported Lugar’s opponent. Lugar is an active anti-gun rights Senator and Yippee he is gone.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 5:24:27 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: IamConservative
That there were multiple Tea Party supported Presidential candidates in 2012 is how we ended up with Romney. Hate to say it, but we may need some national level Tea Party organization to slate a candidate next time around.

You got it exactly right. The inability to rally around one candidate is what happened.

14 posted on 05/10/2012 5:28:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Kaslin

“For an incumbent U.S. senator with such huge seniority to lose in a Republican primary in a state known for reasonable and well educated voters, it takes more than the furor of a few activists...

So if it was a southern state, we could simply dismiss it as the action of a few unreasonable and uneducated right wing cranks. The bias against certain parts of this nation is incredible.


15 posted on 05/10/2012 5:29:12 AM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: TomGuy
The longer they are there, the more their world becomes Washington and their ‘good friends from across the aisle’ than their constituents. From what I have read, Lugar hasn’t even have a residence in Indiana for decades. So, who was he actually ‘representing’?

The longer they are there, the more skeletons they accumulate that they don't want exposed.

Cute lobbyists, opportunities to trade on insider knowledge -- the skeletons don't get exposed as long as they do not piss off the Dems. It's just easier to play ball.

16 posted on 05/10/2012 5:32:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Kaslin

Yes. The “Tea Party” state of mind is alive and well..

No... We wont be supporting the socialist Romney.

So..

Someone better come up with a plan to change things up at the convention.


17 posted on 05/10/2012 5:43:06 AM PDT by myself6
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To: PapaBear3625

I would be curious to know how many of them and how much they have in off-shore accounts.

Isn’t it strange that, for example, Michelle Bachmann recently became a Swiss citizen?


18 posted on 05/10/2012 5:43:27 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: PapaBear3625

The solution to this affliction of Washingtonitis is to repeal the 17th Amendment and allow the Governor and/or State Legislatures to appoint their Senators directly, with an ability to recall them if they stop representing the will of their state, or at will upon the seating of a new Governor. The Senate was supposed to represent the will of the States, not the will of the People. That is what the House is for.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 5:46:16 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: Kaslin

110th Congress S. 2433 in 2007

The Global Poverty Act sponsored by Barack Obama with Co-Sponsor Dick Lugar. Basically they wanted to send $800 billion of tax money to Africa. I had had it with him prior to this but it was the last straw.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 5:46:29 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: myself6
We wont be supporting the socialist Romney.

Toss up question:

Which is more dangerous -- a 2nd term Obama or a 1st term Romney?

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[My view is that we, as a Nation, may never recover from an Obama 2nd term. The feckless GOP failed to challenge him on too many issues during his 1st term.]
21 posted on 05/10/2012 5:47:23 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: PapaBear3625; Jim Robinson
I think that is one of the reason's Jim made this a non-Romney location. He could see the overall picture and the overall picture showed that some of the Romney supporters were more interested in dividing the rest of us....keeping us from “uniting around one person” then in supporting their candidate.......

Years ago threw away my vote and voted for Perot.... we got Clinton. Because of Clinton's moral behavior and the “D” national party support of him, the switch began: the totally democrat county I moved to thirty years ago elected 100% republicans in the 2010 election. Request for ballot in this primary was 2:1 in favor of the “R”.

From not being able to field a candidate for public office in the 70—80s to having a full slate, with choices for the “R” ballot can be initially traced back to Clinton's election and culminated with BO’s win in IN.

22 posted on 05/10/2012 5:49:48 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Plus, even if they don’t get reelected they still get fantastic pensions etc.

You forgot the part about how they exit a millionaire several times over.

23 posted on 05/10/2012 5:53:01 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: TomGuy
Toss up question: Which is more dangerous -- a 2nd term Obama or a 1st term Romney?

Well, that's the question, all right.

Fortunately, we have almost six months to figure it out.

24 posted on 05/10/2012 5:57:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: TomGuy

2nd term Obama in the short run for sure.

The electorate is fickle and we have long term issues. By the end of term 2, we’re dead or near dead, but, we can gamble that in four years, the RINOS are amputated or the Tea Party supersedes the RNC, which will be less likely with a RINO president Romney.

Either choice is a gamble. I think the election will be close, but I think 15percent would have to vote third party before a lasting momentum could be established, or thereabouts, so that the MSM could not sweep it away.

Will a Republican congress keep BO at bay? Well, with Soros electing all the state Secretaries of State, and other voter fraud, we could lose the house. Why just steal the Presidency.

I have two payers, but only one I share, where I ask for a brokered convention.


25 posted on 05/10/2012 5:59:35 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t feel sorry for him. He has his savings from his income (if any), his pension, free health care for life, whatever deals he made with whomever. He has his “legacy” he can trade in on a book deal or speaking tour. No, Dick sat in DC and got fat and smiley while and, as years went by, ignored those of us who voted for him ONLY because the options were worse.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 6:05:46 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I am the margin of error.)
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To: TomGuy

The premise of the question is wrong.

The question you should be asking yourself is how do we start curb stomping the socialist pricks? Not how fast do we want to drive over the cliff?

We have played this game for decades now...
“most important election blah blah blah”
“cant survive, blah blah blah”
“just vote for OUR socialist and it will be a first step blah blah blah”

I dont know about you but ive taken that broken ass record and smashed it to pieces.

How do we win back our freedom? By fighting the M’er F’ers like we GD mean it. That means Taking the F’ers out in our own party first. NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS.

STEP 1: Take the M’er F’ing Socialists in your own F’ing party out.
STEP 2: Take out the socialist bastards in the states. (dont need all of them)
STEP 3: Take out the Socialist bastards in the fedgov.

Step 2 and 3 may be able to proceed concurrently but the state will take priority to the fedgov simply because we can do more damage to the socialist infrastructure via the state. Also, once we have the states we can get they are the primary weapon against the socialists in the fedgov.

Say what you want, but the plan to keep supporting increasingly leftist GOP candidates is a suicidal strategy thats been played out for decades. Keep drinking the Koolaid if you want, but Im DONE. Its time to start fighting these F’ers and there is NO better time than NOW.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 6:12:53 AM PDT by myself6
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
The bottom line is that none of these people should be able to make a career out of public office. They act like they’re somehow entitled to be lifelong members of of the ‘elected elite’.

Bingo. The longer they're in there, the more they act that way. And the more they act that way, the more it grates on their consituents.

28 posted on 05/10/2012 6:14:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: King Moonracer

A brokered convention is the only chance the GOP has to avert this disaster. As long as they dont replace Robama with Hatch. or trent lott...

Either way though, the socialists in the GOP have got to go.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 6:22:49 AM PDT by myself6
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To: IamConservative

Yes, we need to have a national TeaParty Presidential candidate, but many social conservatives won’t back a Teaparty candidate because the teaparty won’t make social issues the center of their campaign.


30 posted on 05/10/2012 6:28:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: Kaslin
Lugar Defeat Sends Many Messages

How about this one:

Dear Republicans,
Stop voting like Democrats.
Sincerely,
The Voters.

31 posted on 05/10/2012 6:47:21 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Bushbacker1
You know he is.

Who is after HATCH, we need a shopping list. I have one, INHOFE of OK, that needs to be added to the list.

He likes EARMARKS and he has been up there way to long now. Coburn needs to watch his step. He and Inhofe play good cop, bad cop much of the time.

32 posted on 05/10/2012 7:03:45 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: randita; All

“I think there’s a lot of truth in this article.”

there is!


33 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:47 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: TomGuy

I am not defending Michelle Bachman’s decision to become a Swiss citizen but, if I had enough money to catch the eye of the “we want your money” Dems, I would probably be putting it somewhere where they couldn’t get their hands on it! How long will it be before they really DO come after our IRA’s and savings? Where the Libs are concerned, never say never.


34 posted on 05/10/2012 2:42:53 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: hoosiermama

First - voting for Perot was not ‘throwing away your vote.” You voted for the person you saw as the best candidate. The ones who “threw away their vote” were the fools who claimed they wanted Perot but the media had warned them that would be “throwing away their vote.” Second, Clinton was certainly no prize but, let’s be honest with ourselves, Bush #1 was certainly no conservative. What we had was Perot and two nearly identical candidates - one of them had an “R” behind his name but was shown to be no friend to conservatives. Bush I was the original Republican sell-out and we have been stuck with more of the same since that time.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 2:48:48 PM PDT by onevoter
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