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Obama won’t lose Latinos and Blacks because of gay marriage
SFGate: Politics Blog ^ | 5/10/12 | Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Political Writer

Posted on 05/10/2012 12:46:09 PM PDT by SmithL

One key point conservatives made in today’s story about President Obama backing same sex marriage is that it would drive away conservative Latino and African-American voters. That’s what folks like conservative activist Gary Marx told us.

That possibility “is wildly unlikely,” said Gary Segura, professor of American Politics and Chicano Studies at Stanford University and a principal in the polling firm Latino Decisions.

While many Latinos are Catholic, a religion which does not condone same sex marriage, Segura said Latinos rarely let their religious beliefs steer their votes.

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1 posted on 05/10/2012 12:46:13 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Obama would not lose the black vote if he started to randomly shoot black people on TV.

I’ve never seen such blind allegence.


2 posted on 05/10/2012 12:47:55 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SmithL

Of course not. Did Jim Jones lose sheep because he spiked the koolaid?


3 posted on 05/10/2012 12:48:14 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: SmithL

I’ll bet he loses some Latinos.


4 posted on 05/10/2012 12:49:16 PM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: SmithL

I saw the source and cracked up. :-)


5 posted on 05/10/2012 12:50:34 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SmithL

We’ll see.


6 posted on 05/10/2012 12:50:39 PM PDT by technically right
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To: SmithL

Of course not. Latino “Catholics,” Black “chrstians,” and wealthy white homosexuals are one big happy family united by thousands of years of oppression by trailer-dwelling rednecks!


7 posted on 05/10/2012 12:50:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: jwalsh07
Did Jim Jones lose sheep because he spiked the koolaid?

Well, yeah, he did.

8 posted on 05/10/2012 12:50:52 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: SmithL
I totally agree with the article 100%. Latinos were a big forced behind defeating gay marriage at the ballot box in CA but they will turn around and vote for their pro-gay marriage Democratic politicians because they promise them lots of freebies. I was listening to American Family Radio driving home from work and they had on James Dobson and other pro-traditional marriage advocates and they were talking about how this issue would drive African-Americans and Hispanics away from Obama and I thought there were crazy and naive. They want Big Government first and will vote for a Big Government liberal even if said liberal is for gay marriage.
9 posted on 05/10/2012 12:51:03 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: Jewbacca

—Obama would not lose the black vote if he started to randomly shoot black people on TV.

I’ve never seen such blind allegence.—

Well, I don’t think blacks will vote in any numbers for romney, but I think this will have a HUGE impact on the black vote. They just won’t bother.


10 posted on 05/10/2012 12:51:26 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SmithL

Hmmmm. I was just talking to a coworker (Republican) today whose parents are Hispanic (Conservative). She said Obama is the first DemocRAT presidential candidate that they didn’t voted for. She went on to say that they are so upset with Barry’s policies that they are going to work against his reelection this time. I think the ‘RATS may be counting chickens that they don’t even have eggs for.


11 posted on 05/10/2012 12:51:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: SmithL; pfflier
As FReeper "pfflier" pointed out on a different thread:

It’s not that they would vote for a Republican its that they may not vote at all because of this. He has a 98% block that may now “under-produce”.

12 posted on 05/10/2012 12:51:43 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SmithL

They are right, he is not losing anyone over this because (excepting the black vote) he has already lost them. Nobody, NO, BODY, gives two hoots and a holler about gay marriage.


13 posted on 05/10/2012 12:52:02 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: SmithL

Well he might not “lose” them in the sense that they will vote for Romney, but I could see some just not coming out to vote because of it. I don’t see any scenario where he could match his 2008 turnout.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 12:52:08 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Hugin

Not my recollection, the sheep all followed the judas goat to their demise. None went missing though many went dead. AA


15 posted on 05/10/2012 12:53:08 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: C19fan

They were fired up in 2008. The large turnout was obama’s friend.

They will simply sit this one out because of this and other reasons.

Obama’s main challenge this time is not to get people to choose him over Romney. Rather, it will be to get them to bother to vote at all.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 12:53:38 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SmithL

They won’t vote for Romney, but they may well sit it out, particularly if the GOP is smart enough to drive home the message that Obama has done nothing but make their lives harder.

He gained campaign money but lost votes.


17 posted on 05/10/2012 12:54:10 PM PDT by Jedidah ("In those days Israel had no king. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.")
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To: Hugin

>> Did Jim Jones lose sheep because he spiked the koolaid? Well, yeah, he did.

Which reminds me: do you know why so few comedians include Jim Jones “Jonestown” jokes in their acts?


18 posted on 05/10/2012 12:54:31 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Jewbacca

I’ve never seen such blind allegence.


They’ve been properly conditioned.

Most have been used and abused and they can’t feel the pain.

It’s beyond disgusting.


19 posted on 05/10/2012 12:55:02 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SmithL

There’s NOTHING barry could do to lose the negro vote. NOTHING!


20 posted on 05/10/2012 12:55:38 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: cuban leaf

African-Americans will come out as they did in 2008 to support their own. Latinos I do not know because Obama has done zilch regarding amnesty.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 12:56:34 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: cuban leaf
"Well, I don’t think blacks will vote in any numbers for romney, but I think this will have a HUGE impact on the black vote. They just won’t bother."

I'd add Hispanics to your comment and your spot on. GOTV will be suppressed, which is very bad for Barry.

22 posted on 05/10/2012 12:56:42 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: SmithL
It starts as simple brokerage politics. The price for welfare handouts, and looking the other way at the border is marriage for the gays. (In return, rich gays agree to pay the taxes for the handouts, etc. ad nauseum) Then cognitive dissonance takes over. The blacks and Latinos have to deal with the fact that they've sold out their religious beliefs. Now, they either have to consider themselves hypocritical sellouts — or they have to adjust their belief system to match their actions. At that point, they all become earnest believers in gay marriage. (The same process happened with abortion — a few decades ago, a sizable minority of leftists opposed abortion.)
23 posted on 05/10/2012 12:57:57 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SmithL

Of course the San Francisco Gate is going to make this claim. San Francisco is the current biblical town of Sodom.


24 posted on 05/10/2012 1:00:47 PM PDT by skimask
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To: ILS21R
I’ll bet he loses some Latinos.

Bet you're right - he'll lose more - on top of those zimmered...

25 posted on 05/10/2012 1:01:14 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: SmithL

The GOP needs to run some “Obama is pro-gay marriage” ads in the hispanic precincts to pull them to our side before the whole story dies down. Gotta make hay while the sun shines because the polls will soon convince the press to give up on their “Obama is historic and courageous” meme.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 1:02:20 PM PDT by MNnice
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To: SmithL

Obama is so uniquely unqualified to be president -he wouldn’t be if he didn’t have great political instincts.

He would NOT have made this jump if it didn’t line his political pockets.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 1:05:36 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: SmithL

The black community is not gay (imho) and this alone jeopardizes zer0 (imho). The brothers and sisters have a problem (in more ways than one) if they support zer0 after this new revelation of support for gays. Expecting many to stay home, and not necessarily regarding this issue but rather the issue of the economy. Many in the black community believe they were betrayed by a slick talker (of course they are correct) and the enthusiasm grows slimmer as the economy tanks and zer0 opens his mouth for gays. It is good for the Nation the zer0 is out of the closet showing where his allegiance lays.


28 posted on 05/10/2012 1:05:52 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SmithL

Whistling past the graveyard, IMHO. His voters are already unenthusiastic. By all accounts they did this to raise campaign funds. So what kind of commercials are they going to buy with all theis money?

Seems like a poor trade-off.


29 posted on 05/10/2012 1:05:59 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: C19fan

—Obama has done zilch regarding amnesty.—

Maybe between now and November his position on it will “evolve” and he will say that, dog gone it, he’s all for it.

:-)


30 posted on 05/10/2012 1:07:38 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: C19fan

True, 21st century American politics is all about the bribery.


31 posted on 05/10/2012 1:09:57 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: SmithL

In the black community, there are certain men who are on the “d/l” (the down low) meaning they are married or in a seemingly hetero relationship and lead a secret gay life on the side. Those guys will come out in force to vote for Obama.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 1:10:34 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Jewbacca

Exactly. He could likely sodomize and strangle a young black boy and STILL get over 90% of the black vote. It is just the way it is.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 1:11:26 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: C19fan; GOPsterinMA; sickoflibs; Impy; SeekAndFind; Clintonfatigued; RitaOK; fieldmarshaldj
>> While many Latinos are Catholic, a religion which does not condone same sex marriage, Segura said Latinos rarely let their religious beliefs steer their votes. <<

>> I totally agree with the article 100%. Latinos were a big forced behind defeating gay marriage at the ballot box in CA but they will turn around and vote for their pro-gay marriage <<

I agree as well, most of the Hispanics I know are socially liberal and publicly embrace gay pride parades, Obama's health care mandate, etc. I also know a handful of socially conservative Hispanics who usually vote Republican, but they are FAR outnumbered by the number of liberal Hispanics I know.

I get really tired of hearing the GOP talking point about how Hispanics are "pro-life, pro-traditional family, social conservatives who are natural Republicans". It's a nice soundbite, but looking at real life voters I know, it just isn't true. If anything, black voters are actually more socially conservative than Hispanic voters. That's ironic because blacks vote 90-95% RAT whereas Hispanics vote 60-70% RAT, but I can tell you I've met alot more blacks who are "pro-life and pro-traditional marriage" (but routinely vote for Obama and other far left Dems anyway) than I've met Hispanics who agree with me on those issues. Perhaps they are very "socially conservative" in their countries of origin in Latin America, but I knows I know who grew up in the Chicago area are very liberal.

And yes, Prop 8 in California is a perfect example. The media reacted in shock because a bunch of black Obama voters crossed over and supported the amendment to ban gay marriage, even as they voted for Obama on the same ballot. You didn't hear about a massive groundswell of support for Prop. 8 in the "Hispanic community", because there wasn't any. The nation's largest Spanish language newspaper even published an editorial AGAINST Prop. 8 and in favor of gay marriage.

Hispanic Catholics seem much more left-wing than their non-hispanic counterparts. Take away the "Hispanic Catholics" and Obama LOST the Catholic vote (this statistic is ignored by everyone, including freepers. Hmm) I wonder why "pro-life and pro-family" Catholic church officials aren't doing more to speak out to THAT segment of the "Catholic vote" and telling the "church going Hispanics" them their voting records conflict with their faith.

34 posted on 05/10/2012 1:12:01 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Jewbacca
I’ve never seen such blind allegence.

Follow the money.

35 posted on 05/10/2012 1:13:25 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: LeonardFMason

Obama could kill and dismember his own children in front of a live audience and they crowd would still cheer him on and the MSM would still spin that in Obama’s favor.


36 posted on 05/10/2012 1:17:15 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: SmithL

Black people aren’t necessarily against gay marriage. They just don’t like homosexuals, especially male homosexuals. Obama’s being a homosexual hasn’t bothered them, so this shouldn’t drive voters off the leftist plantation.


37 posted on 05/10/2012 1:17:48 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Nervous Tick

The punchline is too long.....


38 posted on 05/10/2012 1:17:52 PM PDT by ParadigmLost (Ayn Rand was right. - Atlas is going to shrug.)
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To: SmithL

WISHFUL THINKING by the left leaning SF Gate newspaper.


39 posted on 05/10/2012 1:21:41 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Jewbacca

Exactly. No way this hurts him. They’ll follow him off any cliff at any time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is as stupid as those sheep.


40 posted on 05/10/2012 1:22:12 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SmithL

Hey, you’ll never believe what I found, it is a really interesting quote. It sounds A LOT like what Obama said yesterday...

He said he does not support federal action allowing gay marriages, however. “Historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level,” Cheney said. “It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis.”

Obama must have read this recently


41 posted on 05/10/2012 1:24:34 PM PDT by marstegreg
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I live in Alabama and work with about 20 black people on a daily basis at my job. It was the talk of the office this morning and not one of them agreed with his decision. There was a lot of “What has gotten into his mind?”. I dont think it will change any of their vote away from him, but it will keep alot of them from voting all together.


42 posted on 05/10/2012 1:28:11 PM PDT by wareagle7295
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To: wareagle7295

I was talking to my husband and the very same thing came up. He agreed that Black voters ,in good conscience, cannot vote against him (well, at least the people he spoke with) but they can certainly stay home. I think Obama is about to learn that every action has an equal but opposite reaction.


43 posted on 05/10/2012 1:38:05 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: BillyBoy; C19fan; GOPsterinMA; Impy; SeekAndFind; Clintonfatigued; RitaOK; fieldmarshaldj; ...
RE :”I get really tired of hearing the GOP talking point about how Hispanics are “pro-life, pro-traditional family, social conservatives who are natural Republicans”. It's a nice soundbite, but looking at real life voters I know, it just isn't true. If anything, black voters are actually more socially conservative than Hispanic voters. That's ironic because blacks vote 90-95% RAT whereas Hispanics vote 60-70% RAT, but I can tell you I've met alot more blacks who are “pro-life and pro-traditional marriage” (but routinely vote for Obama and other far left Dems anyway) than I've met Hispanics who agree with me on those issues.

I have met a few moderate/liberal black Republicans in Maryland but that is a small %. Most blacks have a very strong trust in the Federal government to protect them and help them, and history shows why they would, They see the the 1960s civil rights era and the FBI vs the KKK in Alabama case as a model.

as I posted on another thread, Republicans can take advantage of Obama’s confession by running independent organization issue ads in black and Latino areas in the South that show Obama sucking up to rich looking white gays and Hollywood gay types for $$$$, while things got worse in their areas under Obama. But Rs must understand the dynamics, Turnout in those groups in 2012 can be made to be much lower than it was in 2008, much like Romney will repress some turnout on the R side..

Another argument to use for above,:ask blacks if they are insulted when libs claim that gays are the new Jim Crowe era blacks. I find that one really works well, See if they are willing trivialize their own civil rights history to support the Democrat LGBT revolution, and this can be fun too, because it hits a great nerve,

It could be so easy, but Republicans big R are pretty dense.

44 posted on 05/10/2012 1:38:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Another argument to use for above,:ask blacks if they are insulted when libs claim that gays are the new Jim Crowe era blacks. I find that one really works well, See if they are willing trivialize their own civil rights history to support the Democrat LGBT revolution, and this can be fun too, because it hits a great nerve,”

Yes it does!


45 posted on 05/10/2012 1:40:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SmithL

Pew Research did a nationwide Hispanic poll right before the 2010 Congressional elections.

It asked participants to rank 14 issues in order of importance.

From memory.....

Number 8 - Immigration

Number 12 - Abortion

Number 13 - Gay Marriage

In terms of voter registration, Hispanics are 65% Democrat and 22% Republican

Except for the outlier elections in 1994 and 2010, Hispanics have consitently voted 70% for Democrat Congressional candidates for at least 20 years.

Factor out Republican Cubans, and these numbers look even worse.

On single issue state amendments, like abortion or gay marriage, Hispanics may appear to be more Conservative.

But they absolutely are not going to stay home or vote Republican based strictly on gay marriage.


46 posted on 05/10/2012 1:45:14 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: MNnice; Impy; PhilCollins; BlackElk
>> “Obama is pro-gay marriage” ads in the hispanic precincts <<

Run those ads in Luis Guiterrez's (D-IL) district, and I think all the so-called "socially conservative" Hispanics in Chicago will respond by rushing out the door to vote for him. Any Hispanic candidate who is actually "socially conservative" will get crushed in the Democrat primary, let alone the general election.

47 posted on 05/10/2012 1:45:23 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: SmithL
Believers in Jesus Christ need to stand on the firm ground of Scripture, by faith. Having a President even say that he supports gay marriage—a farce, since two of the same kind cannot become "one flesh" in the biblical sense—is vexing. His attempt to bifurcate Jesus' words in support of an abomination marks him as antichrist (a type of, not THE).

God's wrath is nothing to play around with:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."—Jude 1:7

48 posted on 05/10/2012 1:45:45 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: SmithL
Believers in Jesus Christ need to stand on the firm ground of Scripture, by faith. Having a President even say that he supports gay marriage—a farce, since two of the same kind cannot become "one flesh" in the biblical sense—is vexing. His attempt to bifurcate Jesus' words in support of an abomination marks him as antichrist (a type of, not THE).

God's wrath is nothing to play around with:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."—Jude 1:7

49 posted on 05/10/2012 1:47:06 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: SmithL

From SFgate.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!


50 posted on 05/10/2012 1:48:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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