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Arizona high school forfeits championship game rather than face girl opponent
Fox News ^ | 5-10-2012 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 05/10/2012 1:11:45 PM PDT by servo1969

A state championship high school baseball game is over before tonight's first pitch, after one Arizona team forfeited rather than play an opponent with a girl in the lineup.

Our Lady of Sorrows refused to play Mesa Preparatory Academy in Thursday’s scheduled Arizona Charter Athletic Association state championship game, because that team has Paige Sultzbach at second base. The 15-year-old agreed to sit out a pair of regular season victories over Our Lady of Sorrows, which is run by the Society of St. Pius X, an traditionalist church that broke away from Roman Catholic Church over Vatican reforms in 1970. But with everything on the line tonight, Sultzbach wasn't willing to stay glued to the bench — even if it means no game at all.

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In a statement to FoxNews.com, an Our Lady of Sorrows official said the school had no choice but to forfeit because it has a strict policy prohibiting participation in co-ed athletics and believes in "forming and educating boys and girls" separately.

“Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty,” the statement read. "Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls."

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To: GunRunner
Oh, I get it:.

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BOY = GIRL

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101 posted on 05/10/2012 3:49:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline For Sale)
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To: GunRunner; SpinnerWebb
Ironically, tha you have to persuade by pointing out idiocy

Ironically, that is just what I was trying to do

102 posted on 05/10/2012 3:52:56 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: dmz

You know what’s even more disturbing than the previous two?

By intentionally putting girls/women’s lives at risk physically competing with boys/men. That right there is insanity.

The young men who bowed out of the competition cared enough not to join in on the insanity.


103 posted on 05/10/2012 3:53:43 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: savagesusie

Well stated! HooRah!


104 posted on 05/10/2012 3:55:04 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 82)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Did they? Does "sticking to their guns" apply to Islamic law too in the way they view their women?

You mean like that unmitigated hell hole that is called Afghanistan that we conquered and then turned over to the same murdering thugs who were busy murdering Christians and women before?

Because there's total moral equivalency between a private school which chooses to conduct their business in a certain manner with specific standards which applies just to their student body vs Islamic radicals who force everyone to follow their views.

I'm sorry, your strawman, it seems to be full of holes.

105 posted on 05/10/2012 3:55:29 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dfwgator
If the girls are good enough to make the team on their own merits, what’s the problem.

The problem is, they never do.

106 posted on 05/10/2012 3:57:55 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: tx_eggman; Jeff Chandler
No, you don't get it.

The point was that there is no virtue in sticking to your beliefs if your beliefs are stupid.

Anyone who thinks that playing a co-ed game of baseball, softball, volleyball, or kickball somehow disrespects women is an idiot, plain and simple.

107 posted on 05/10/2012 4:00:05 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner; tx_eggman

One man’s idiocy is another’s wisdom.

Who decides?


108 posted on 05/10/2012 4:00:15 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: GunRunner; savagesusie

You’re talking about nice civilized American men who still live on the fumes of the nation’s old Christian beliefs. Send your wife into the real world, and a man will break her leg.

savagesusie has written with great wisdom.


109 posted on 05/10/2012 4:04:10 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: servo1969
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110 posted on 05/10/2012 4:11:29 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: donna; savagesusie
BS. I've seen my wife smoke men in basketball and volleyball. I've seen her spike over the net into another guy's nose.

I'm also trying to get her into Brazilian jiu-jitsu as well, so if she ever finds herself in the unfortunate situation of being attacked when I'm not around, she'll likely be doing the bone breaking with a well timed armbar.

Genuine nice, civilized American men can enjoy co-ed sports with their female friends, girlfriends, and spouses because they enjoy the time and activity together. They don't insult them by telling them that they can't in some circumstances play with the guys because "their bodies are only for makin' babies."

You and savagesusie spout condescending crap.

111 posted on 05/10/2012 4:11:43 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: servo1969

112 posted on 05/10/2012 4:13:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SZonian

The decision is yours whether to hold idiotic beliefs or not. No one can “decide” for you.


113 posted on 05/10/2012 4:14:28 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner
Anyone who thinks that playing a co-ed game of baseball, softball, volleyball, or kickball somehow disrespects women is an idiot, plain and simple.

maybe they just don't want to possibly hurt her sliding into her or hitting her. Just being nice and respectful. Most co-ed leagues I played on were for fun and drinking beer. the serious stuff was men's league and I suspect that the Catholic school just didn't want to change it's mission for a baseball game.

It's their choice. Now as far as the outlier girl who can compete with guys, I have my opinions about certain women that I've been exposed to that "competed" with men. Specifically a "self defense" instructor that made it clear she could handle any man. F'ing joke. If a team can't find a second baseman that can beat out a girl.... well they suck and probably can't compete. I say, let the school decide on what they want to compete in. It's baseball, who really cares?

114 posted on 05/10/2012 4:19:30 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: GunRunner

You sort of repeated what I said. Nice American men protect women. The real world, the non-Christian world, isn’t safe for women like your wife.


115 posted on 05/10/2012 4:27:14 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Women are out of control and it is the men’s duty to create those special, teachable moments to bring them back into line.”

Is this a joke? This is possibly the most hilarious thing I have ever read on FR. In a bad way.


116 posted on 05/10/2012 4:36:03 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: donna

“The problem is, they never do.”

The problem is, you don’t know what you’re talking about:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20120307/holley-mangold-olympian/


117 posted on 05/10/2012 4:38:19 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Joshua Marcus

I’m not despicable. That term is reserved for Catholic priests that molest little boys and the Bishops that defend them.

Scared of girls. Geez....


118 posted on 05/10/2012 4:40:34 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: donna

“Send your wife into the real world, and a man will break her leg.

savagesusie has written with great wisdom.”

savagesusie is one step from anencephalia. If you don’t have what it takes, that’s your problem. All the women in my life routinely put their male colleagues to shame in intellectual capacity as well as the tennis court. Absolutely and utterly pathetic. All of you.


119 posted on 05/10/2012 4:40:55 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: AppyPappy

“Scared of girls. Geez....”

Completely my opinion. It takes a pretty pathetic individual to hide behind so-called “principles” because they are either socially inept or unwilling to admit they think “women should just be in the kitchen or bedroom”. No real man would have refused to play this game.


120 posted on 05/10/2012 4:44:03 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: servo1969

121 posted on 05/10/2012 4:45:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: GunRunner
I've seen my wife smoke men in basketball

she must be in the top .25% of women or the guys she plays against suck.... before you get her into "grappling" self defense I hope you realize that even if she were attacked and lucky enough to get someone in an arm-bar, ankle lock, choke hold that someone strong enough can pick her up and slam her back first into the deck, unless she's a horse... but since she can smoke men in B-ball she might be a hefty chick.

I had the same type of BS pulled on me by an instructor that made a big deal about beating on guys because of her training. I didn't choke her out but her face was awful purple, the snot was coming out of her nose while she tried to breath through her teeth and the vein in the middle of her forehead stuck out like a hose. I even let her get on top and straddle me the second time. My point is that in a "real" competition the aggressive nature and superior upper body strength of men usually wins out. Otherwise you'd see women in the NBA, MLB, NFL and my favorite Mixed martial arts.

The only place that women beat men is in Hollywood, Cable/Network Television, Broadway and Angelina Jolie movies. All places inhabited by girly men with sexual identity issues trying to make all men metrosexual eunuchs.

I like coed sports, like mixed tennis leagues, soft ball and jogging/triathalons etc.. but when it comes to full contact sports where I'm trying to really win I'd rather not have to kick a woman's ass. Cause its' not a good thing to hurt a lady and whether you win or lose you still look like a d#ck beating a woman.

Heck I ended up losing to the female instructor in the long run, cause I ended up in "office hours" and was lucky that was the end of it.

122 posted on 05/10/2012 4:46:36 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: GunRunner
I guess they want to ban mixed-doubles in tennis too?
123 posted on 05/10/2012 4:47:16 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: kingu
I'm sorry, your strawman, it seems to be full of holes.

Then lets bring it home shall we? What's the difference between that school and the MAYA School in Dearborn, MI which doesn't recognize women's rights of equality either?

I don't care what religion you are dude, if you can't recognize equality of all then you can't call yourself a true christian.......

I get a kick out of you guys and your own self defined "moral standards" trying to preach to me. You got your own Fricking problems with your Swaggerts, your Bakers, your catholic pedophiles, and the list goes on and on and on........

But I digress, if the school chooses not to recognize the equality of sexes that is accepted in the conference and state they participate in then they should be banned from all competitive athletics..........

They knew from the beginning that women were allowed to participate in athletics but yet they chose to wait until the championship game to stake their boycott? Cry me a river and revoke the team's right to participate in any state sponsored athletics.........

124 posted on 05/10/2012 4:49:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Flightdeck

LOL!


125 posted on 05/10/2012 4:52:56 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Flightdeck

You’re living a life of pretense.


126 posted on 05/10/2012 4:54:11 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Dick Vomer
If a team can't find a second baseman that can beat out a girl.... well they suck and probably can't compete.

You do know that second baseman is rather inherently emasculating in all youth leagues? The "guy" playing there is almost invariably the weakest arm on the team, with not enough gun to play the left side of the infield or in the outfield, or to pitch, or to play catcher, and is usually too slight of build to risk at first base defensively. To top it off, most second basemen aren't usually dangerous at the plate either, again having to do with a lack of arm strength, which partially translates into poor hand speed.

Second base is the least "macho" fielding position in the game at every level, and that is most readily apparent in youth ball. Second basemen are not usually the one facing spikes up on a double play ball either, it's the usually much more athletic shortstop who most often faces that hazard.

A girl would not have to be a phenom to beat out a male youth second baseman, in the field or at the plate.
127 posted on 05/10/2012 4:58:59 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: servo1969

I believe the real reason they wouldn’t play them is because girls have cooties. It’s a well known fact.


128 posted on 05/10/2012 4:59:23 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Jack Hydrazine
By intentionally putting girls/women’s lives at risk physically competing with boys/men. That right there is insanity.

I guess I missed something in the article. I didn't realize that Paige Sultzbach had been FORCED to play baseball on that team....

Here I thought her participation was voluntary and her ability had earned her a spot on the team.......

Thanks for the clarification......

129 posted on 05/10/2012 5:03:50 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: AppyPappy

Try reading the whole story. You missed the point entirely.


130 posted on 05/10/2012 5:09:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: donna

“You’re living a life of pretense.”

Oh, well in that case...

This thread is an embarrassment to FR. It might as well have been posted by a DU mole to root out all gender bigots in an attempt to make the whole community seem like worthless, uneducated hicks.


131 posted on 05/10/2012 5:10:54 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Hot Tabasco; kingu

Couldn’t agree with Hot Tabasco more. In my mind, I come back to the female Pediatric Oncologist who helped my daughter and simply KNOW that she could wipe the damn floor with all the gender-oppressing losers on this thread. But the primitive folks would rather have them in the kitchen and the bedroom only. Just like the Saudis. Some company you keep...


132 posted on 05/10/2012 5:15:58 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Flightdeck
You are accepting the Jane Fonda view of things. Learn this:

Mean Girls in the Military
Elaine Donnelly
Monday, June 28, 2004
Excerpt

On March 23, 2003, three servicewomen were captured during the ambush of the 507th Maintenance Unit in Iraq. Nine months later, NBC and ABC News fleetingly aired excerpts of a disturbing Iraqi video showing the battered faces of the unconscious, sexually assaulted Pfc. Jessica Lynch and her dying friend, single mother Pfc. Lori Piestewa. Immediate release of that graphic video might have changed the course of the war.

In 1992, experts proposed a solution for that possibility. Specialists who train potential prisoners of war in Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape (SERE) techniques testified before the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces.

They said it was necessary to use special exercises to “desensitize” the men so that the enemy would not exploit the captives’ heightened concern about female colleagues being physically and sexually abused.

The SERE trainers added that the entire nation would have to be conditioned to accept combat violence against women.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/6/28/173256.shtml

133 posted on 05/10/2012 5:40:54 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: donna

“Immediate release of that graphic video might have changed the course of the war. “

Get back to me when either you or Elaine Donnelly know the first damn thing about the U.S. military. Until then, please refrain from “Learning me”.

Do I really need to point out how absurd it is that you relate two non-combat POW’s gettting captured and tortured by people who hate women to some fundamental offshoot cult preventing kids from playing baseball against a young woman (while insulting her and her peers in the process)?


134 posted on 05/10/2012 5:56:10 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Flightdeck

Would you send your wife or daughter off to combat?

Just another sport, right?


135 posted on 05/10/2012 6:21:19 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Flightdeck

Elaine Donnelly’s Bio
http://cmrlink.org/elainebio.asp


136 posted on 05/10/2012 6:24:17 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: onedoug

Ping


137 posted on 05/10/2012 6:27:38 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: GunRunner; tx_eggman; Jeff Chandler
Anyone who thinks that playing a co-ed game of baseball, softball, volleyball, or kickball somehow disrespects women is an idiot, plain and simple.

Perhaps it is the fool who feels like he can't simply let people make decisions for themselves, for whatever reason they choose, who is actually the idiot?

138 posted on 05/10/2012 6:34:29 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: windcliff

We faced a team with a girl on their team, and they smoked us. Hey! If they can play they can play.


139 posted on 05/10/2012 6:34:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: GunRunner

Wow.

You seriously have no clue.

You’ve seen your wife spike on men in a volleyball game.

Great. So that totally negates the greater than one sigma advantage in upper body strength and speed that men have on women.

BTW, did you know that lots of women get hurt or killed each year trying to defend themselves from perps using the fancy martial arts that they wasted thousands of dollars learning?

I’d seen women with black belts get creamed by “average Joes” with no martial arts training, but who could bench press 250 lbs. (which is not actually that much, considering).

This nonsense about women being physical equal with men is simply bilious mental masturbation. If it were true, then the entirety of gender roles throughout history would not be what they were.

Sure, sure, there are always going to be some women who can run faster or whatnot than some men. That’s because there is some overlap of the bell curves. Nevertheless, no matter how fast or strong a woman may be, she is not going to be faster or stronger than a man who engages in similar levels of working out and training. An female olympian can easily outrun a middle-aged male accountant with a spare tire. She will, however, pretty much ALWAYS get beat by a male olympian in the same sport.


140 posted on 05/10/2012 6:42:06 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Flightdeck
All the women in my life routinely put their male colleagues to shame in intellectual capacity as well as the tennis court.

That's fine. In turn, I pretty much put all of my female colleagues to shame intellectually. Though, I'll grant, I don't put them to shame on the tennis court, since I don't play tennis, never having cared much for the sport.

141 posted on 05/10/2012 6:44:47 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Some people are stupid enough to volunteer for a beating or three.


142 posted on 05/10/2012 6:46:01 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Flightdeck

I’m being serious and funny at the same time.


143 posted on 05/10/2012 6:46:40 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: donna

I’ll give Elaine a pass on knowing the first thing about the military, but I’m sure as heck not going to give you one for comparing Jessica Lynch’s capture to a girl playing second place. That is beyond stupid. And as for sending my girls into combat, if they chose to be a naval aviator and fly an F-35 over enemy lines, I would be the proudest dad in the world. But you don’t think women can handle it, so that would never happen, right?


144 posted on 05/10/2012 6:48:13 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“Perhaps it is the fool who feels like he can’t simply let people make decisions for themselves, for whatever reason they choose, who is actually the idiot?”

Exactly. So you and I both agree that the coach who prevented is entire team from playing is, like you, a bigot.


146 posted on 05/10/2012 6:51:20 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“This nonsense about women being physical equal with men is simply bilious mental masturbation.”

It’s almost as if you think someone here claimed that. Then, you project your mental masturbation on others. Hilarious, you are.


147 posted on 05/10/2012 6:54:35 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: onedoug

So, one summer eigth grade boys in lax camp and also at same place high school girls in lax camp. Lax is different with boys and girls. Boys have stick contact and smash into one another. Girls don’t. Boys have pads and helmets. Girls don’t. Girls challenged boys to a game by girls’ no contact rules. No safety equipment. Male camp leaders tell boys, no contact. Camp leaders tell girls, beat them with your sticks as much as you like.

I pick up the boys at camp in my van. They are bruised and have cuts on heads and faces. I demand to know what the hell happened and they explained the girls cheated.

I flew out of van armed with lax stick. I go to men and scream - “what the He!! happened here?” They explain. I want to know why they did not cancle game. They would be ashamed to run from the girls team. They promise it will never happen again. They are ashamed and promise it will never happen again.

I move on to women team leaders and they start laughing. I put the stick over my head and say “ Good you think it is funny to be beaten by a lax stick. Let’s see!” I swing and barely miss on purpose and they run. I chase them and they are screaming. One is crying. I cussed a lot. Men laugh at the tuff girls.

I go back to the van and yell at the boys for not calling off the game and for getting hurt. I tell tem they are in charge of themselves and each other when azzhats are in charge. I call all the parents. Camp cancelled.

Feminazis are pure animals when it comes to competing with boys. Boys who are raised right won’t be as brutal with girls as they are with boys. Not the other way around. I don’t want boys beating up on girls. I don’t want feminazis bring about that “change.”


148 posted on 05/10/2012 6:56:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I think it is more disturbing encouraging women to compete with men physically or in any other fashion.

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Like the workplace?


149 posted on 05/10/2012 7:01:36 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Yashcheritsiy
I was responding to the poster who said that co-ed athletics were an invention of Karl Marx. No one here, at no time made any claim that men and women are physically equal.

Maybe you should get a clue and read the entire thread next time, tough guy. And yes, she's spiked on guys in our social league. At no time was anyone here referring to professional or highly skilled leagues, although there doesn't seem to be any shortage of faux experts like yourself waiting for the chance to chime in about how big and bad they are.

150 posted on 05/10/2012 7:05:19 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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