Skip to comments.Arizona high school forfeits championship game rather than face girl opponent
Posted on 05/10/2012 1:11:45 PM PDT by servo1969
A state championship high school baseball game is over before tonight's first pitch, after one Arizona team forfeited rather than play an opponent with a girl in the lineup.
Our Lady of Sorrows refused to play Mesa Preparatory Academy in Thursdays scheduled Arizona Charter Athletic Association state championship game, because that team has Paige Sultzbach at second base. The 15-year-old agreed to sit out a pair of regular season victories over Our Lady of Sorrows, which is run by the Society of St. Pius X, an traditionalist church that broke away from Roman Catholic Church over Vatican reforms in 1970. But with everything on the line tonight, Sultzbach wasn't willing to stay glued to the bench even if it means no game at all.
In a statement to FoxNews.com, an Our Lady of Sorrows official said the school had no choice but to forfeit because it has a strict policy prohibiting participation in co-ed athletics and believes in "forming and educating boys and girls" separately.
Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty, the statement read. "Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls."
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1) Utopian socialism in general and Marxism in particular are not just gravely mistaken economic theories. They are complete social ideologies, dedicated to overthrowing (fundamentally transforming, as 0bama put it) every aspect of civilisation. As such, no detail (not even children's sports) is too small or too insignificant for the utopians to attend. Destruction of the family and concentration of all power in the collective is more important to utopian socialism than command economics.
2) American society is already thoroughly infiltrated with utopian socialist thought.
I really don’t want to know. lol.
There's absolutely no case for you saying that about post #6. All he was being willing to take a loss because you won't compromise your long held principles is NOT cowardly, it's courageous. How can you disagree with that?
#19 is an interesting, articulate discussion of gender politics and history. Absolutely nothing "primitive" about it. The writer is very well-informed. You're free to disagree with her theory, but point out where you think she's wrong, don't just name call, unless you want the rest of us to know she won the argument against you by default.
My guess is that these schools are so small this is the only athletic type events around or size.
Now, those boys wont play, even though they knew this might happen.
I think if the girls think they are man enough to get into the ring to compete with the guys then the guys should go out of their way to hurt them enough during competition to discourage any further competition.
You are deeply disturbed.
This is false. The SSPX is not a separate church. Neither it nor its followers have broken away from the Catholic Church.
Men and women are not interchangeable cogs, as others have said. They are different. Boys should be taught to treat girls with respect.
Hard to tell you folks apart from the Marxists.
You are so correct and it’s apparent that cultural Marxism is popular thought among those who consider themselves Republicans. Despite popularity it is still destructive and I don’t see how any society can survive it.
Let's take the reverse argument and make all scholastic and collegiate sports co-ed; no more boys & girls and men's & women's teams. Males may play on the (formerly) female-only field hockey, tennis, golf, swimming, water polo, gymnastics, basketball, track, cross country, and softball teams. When individual males or teams with males as members begin winning all the state and national championships, how long will it take followers of the post-modern social construct to protest the unfairness of it all?
It *is* about destruction of the family and cultural norms that underpin our society and protect our divinely-received rights as defined and guaranteed in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and Federalist Papers. Girls are boys, boys are girls, women are men, men are women, good is evil, evil is good, there is no God, there are no God-given rights, only the state that dishes out privileges and goodies, and then takes them away when we've been bad.
More than once, opposing fans would say, "Hey, who's that, she's cute, etc etc etc". I (and others) would suggest that they go on over and talk to "her". LOL!
As for myself, there's NO WAY you'd get me to go out on a field holding a bunch of angry women armed with clubs. Talk about a disaster waiting for a place to happen.
You got that right. That’s also why I only drink rain water or grain alcohol. Fluoridation. Another communist plot.
I remember as a member of the novice men’s Crew team what an absolute JOY it was to FINALLY be faster than the women’s JV team! We were a lot taller and stronger than they were - but they rowed more efficiently - and thus achieved a higher speed.
They LOVED beating us. It showed them the power of all working together efficiently. We LOVED it when they couldn’t beat us any longer - because our rowing skill finally allowed us to efficiently apply our greater strength.
A real treat was when I got to row with the women. They keep and even keel. Like nothing I had ever experienced in a men’s boat. Lower center of gravity - better control - it was a real treat to row from such a stable ‘platform’.
I couldn’t imagine for a second not competing with those women who I loved adored and respected - out of supposed “respect”. What patronizing garbage.
Sort of like “I respect the role of women in the home too much to ever hire one for a job” - THAT kind of “respect”.
And for the unthinking scoffers: No, girls playing on boys' athletic teams all by itself won't destroy society. The underlying utilitarian, utopian socialist ideology which leads folks to think (among other things) that girls playing on boys' athletic teams is just peachy will destroy American society. That is the purpose of utilitarian, utopian socialist ideology.
Depends on how the game is actually played.
Men and women are not interchangeable cogs, as others have said. They are different. Boys should be taught to treat girls with respect.
Sentence 1 = True
Sentence 2 = True
Sentence 3 = True
Of course, there’s no connection of the truth of your statements to the the issue at hand.
Playing a baseball game against a team with a girl 2nd basemen in no way suggests that men and women are interchangeable cogs. Completely unrelated.
Playing a baseball game against a team with a girl 2nd basemen in no way suggests that men and women are not different. Completely unrelated.
Playing a baseball game against a team with a girl 2nd basemen in no way reflects a lack of respect towards girls. Completely unrelated.
>>>Good for them! For not giving in to the feminazi agenda.<<<
That seems a bit harsh to me. The girl on the championship team VOLUNTARILY sat out of the first two games with OLOS out of respect for their beliefs. I don’t think a “feminazi” would do that. It seems like she just wants to play baseball, not force her “radical, feminist agenda” on others.
I don’t think it would be fair to ask her to sit out in the championship game.
I have no problem with the school standing up for its beliefs (though I think when it comes to baseball their beleif is a bit silly), but the girl involved seems to have acted quite honorably.
however, if this girl is good enough to play and be a starter, than she should play...baseball is not a contact sport as much as hockey or football.
...and it sounds like she was very accomodating to the other school during the regular season..
Ummm .... yeah.
I bet you think "Chemtrails", and "HAARP" are also communist plots.
Please ... go off somewhere and enjoy your psychosis while the adults have a conversation about socialist ideology.
Wasn’t there a story about a player a year or so ago who refused to play in a football game or something where he would have been up against a woman? As far as I recall he just didn’t want to be in the position of causing physical injury to a female. I think that’s admirable.
But it's not honest to conclude that they're "wimps... scared of a girl." They're sacrificing rather than compromise what they think is right. People who mock insead of ague makes me wonder whether whether they could actually frame an effective argument.
“I shake my head at the absolute primitivism posted on this thread (6, 19, and 31 for example). Hard to tell you folks apart from the radical islamists.”
You’re right on one score: we breed like Muslims. I think that may be where the resemblance ends.
Hey, I’m on your side. The commies are putting fluoride in water, they are having girls play second base. What’s next? It’s mind boggling.
I love it.
We are unthinking scoffers because we disagree with you, and everything you say is unquestionably true. Or not.
I vote for the latter.
Here in NJ our State Police used to make cadets train in a boxing ring (as they often patrol alone); after a woman was killed they did away with that training.
Fast forward a few years and a trucker is hijacked in PA and killed in NJ after he stopped to help out a wrecked police car in PA. Turns out the she-cop driving the car had been (easily) disarmed by some “yutes” when she pulled them over; they had taken her car & gun, hijacked the truck after they wrecked the car, and in the end she’s alive, trucker’s dead.
Afraid of girls? Wait until they are married. The whole sliding with your spikes up is a skill set they will need.
(Metaphorically of course....)
Not unrelated at all.
I guess co-ed showers and toilets are next.
Wasnt there a story about a player a year or so ago who refused to play in a football game or something where he would have been up against a woman? As far as I recall he just didnt want to be in the position of causing physical injury to a female. I think thats admirable.
You know, I don’t have a problem with this at all. It’s one kid making a decision for himself. I would not have made that decision. I would have flirted with her so as to distract her, catch the winning pass, and then attempt to make a pass at her :-)
It is funny, Freepers blast gay marriage, lesbian nuns and any other social issue they deem offensive but God forbid a School stands on its charter and principals in keeping male and female activities separate. Nobody is denying girls can play sports and be outstanding athletes, it is a question of co-ed sports and school policy. Somebody stands on their principals and gets blasted. Best goalie I ever had was a female, tough as nails and not bad looking (adult competition) she was rejected by a coach that only wanted men despite the tournament being co-ed. She was named goalie of the tournament. Girls have game, there is no doubt. But, this is matter of principal and policy.
Well, anytime you actually want to make the case that they are related, feel free.
Just saying so don’t make it so.
Do you think that utilitarian, utopian socialist ideology doesn't exist? Hmmmm? Marx, Engels, Bakunin, Alinsky, Chomsky, Dewey and many others would certainly disagree with you.
Do you think that utilitarian, utopian socialism is not dedicated to the complete and irretrievable overthrow of all aspects of western civilisation? Seriously? Have you ever read anything those guys and their disciples wrote? Ever heard any of their modern followers speak? 0bama, when he (or whoever wrote the contents of his telepromter) manages a complete sentence echoes their thought. So do Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and the rest of the usual suspects, on down to the NEA (communist teachers' union) members infesting your kids' school.
everything you say is unquestionably true.
Whatever. DON'T take my word for it. Seriously. DON'T. I don't want you to. I would much prefer that you read for yourself, and educate yourself, on the nature and purpose of utilitarian, utopian socialism. I would much prefer that you learn for yourself the extent to which it has already infiltrated American society.
I bet you haven't got the guts to do it.
I think it is more disturbing encouraging women to compete with men physically or in any other fashion. Emasculating men and masculinizing women is even more disturbing.
But the Leftists has been pushing this more and more for the past 100 years. Women are out of control and it is the men’s duty to create those special, teachable moments to bring them back into line. I like this quote from Jack Nicholson’s character in this movie.
(A receptionist at Melvins publishing firm a fan of Melvins work, but he is not as charming as she thinks hell be.)
Woman:How do you write women so well?
Melvin: I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.
-As Good As It Gets (1997)
Lack of reason and accountability in women are the classic, core pillars of Leftism.
Did they? Does "sticking to their guns" apply to Islamic law too in the way they view their women?
Guess there's no need to bring up Sharia law and how they view their women.......
I thought this was the country of equality for all, guess that only applies to boys and their sports.
And they are taking it like men. I haven't heard anything about lawsuits or government intervention.
I'm having difficulty understanding the problem.
The forfeiting team isn't complaining about anything. The team that is complaining, from what I gather from the article, is the girl's team.
They are upset the other team did not play the game.
Given the fact that they won, their complaint is stupid.
Is your real name David Savage, you are despicible,and I guess your son is only capable of playing with girls; what a team you all are.
They are not even the one’s complaining.
So what's the point here...to just muck up and erase the norm's?
“Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls.”
Then respect her efforts and ability to work hard enough to be in a position to play in a championship game which you are now depriving her off because of YOUR weakness.
They’re not depriving anyone of anything. The girl team won.
“Its by their own choice that they migrate over to the Girls Softball League.”
Question is. . .would this “girls” softball league allow a boy to migrate over to their teams?
I’d say probably not. And if not, why not? Would you ask the question and let us know what answer “they” give you? Seriously, would like to know.
In our county soccer league. . .there were co-ed teams and a girl-only league. Never a boy-only league.
Perhaps they have no other option (see my Post 94).
Is this meant as some sort of play on words? The word "principals" refers to administrators of individual schools, while the word "principles" refers to basic belief systems held by a person. If you meant this as a play on words, I don't get it...
Of course not. We can't let men be men, they have to be the same as women.
I never disliked school per se. It was the Principal of the thing.
It’s a voluntary sports league formed between charter schools. If there isn’t one out there that’s not co-ed they can always form one, that’s part of the whole concept of charter schools.
I’m not aware of any way to force people from having idiotic principles. Even the mob can’t stop that. You have to persuade by pointing out idiocy.