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Florida Supreme Court hears landmark foreclosure suit
RUTERS ^ | May 10 2012 | Michelle Conlin

Posted on 05/11/2012 6:48:42 AM PDT by Elle Bee

May 10 (Reuters) - The Florida Supreme Court heard arguments on Thursday in a landmark lawsuit that could undo hundreds of thousands of foreclosures and open up banks to severe financial penalties in the state where they face the bulk of their foreclosure-fraud litigation.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banking; banks; foreclosure; foreclosurefraud; foreclosures; fraud
....Legal experts say the lawsuit is one of the most important foreclosure fraud cases in the country and could help resolve an issue that has vexed Florida's foreclosure courts for the past five years: Can banks that file fraudulent documents in foreclosure proceedings voluntarily dismiss the cases only to refile them later with different paperwork? The decision, which may take up to eight months, could influence judges in the other 26 states that require judicial approval for foreclosures.........

........ If the state Supreme Court rules against the banks, "a broad universe of mortgages could be rendered unenforceable," said former U.S. Attorney Kendall Coffey, author of the book, "Foreclosures in Florida."......

........"Voluntary dismissal shouldn't be used as a shield for fraud," said Lundergan in one response. "It sets up a system where every litigant is condoned and encouraged to lie, cheat and steal, knowing that if they are caught, they can simply voluntarily dismiss and absolve themselves from that fraud."

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1 posted on 05/11/2012 6:48:53 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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bflr


2 posted on 05/11/2012 7:18:31 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Elle Bee

Basically because the servicers ****ed up people could get a home free and clear. One is a sucker to be responsible.


3 posted on 05/11/2012 7:23:05 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: MileHi
An associate with Ice's firm, Amanda Lundergan, made the oral arguments on Ice's behalf in Thursday's proceeding. Lundergan is a recent graduate of the Florida Coastal School of Law....."Voluntary dismissal shouldn't be used as a shield for fraud," said Lundergan in one response. "It sets up a system where every litigant is condoned and encouraged to lie, cheat and steal, knowing that if they are caught, they can simply voluntarily dismiss and absolve themselves from that fraud."

It would be unusual for a recent law school graduate and junion associate to argue before the Supreme Court, however, it sounds like this young lady is quick on her feet and not intimidated by legal bullies.

4 posted on 05/11/2012 7:25:25 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Elle Bee
I'd like to know how a house that sold for $203,000 in 2006 is now worth less than $33,000.
5 posted on 05/11/2012 8:20:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
I'd like to know how a house that sold for $203,000 in 2006 is now worth less than $33,000.

The answer is: a five letter word that starts with "f" and endis in "d". The remaining letters are two vowels and a consonant.

6 posted on 05/11/2012 8:26:25 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: count-your-change

Two reasons,

In my area 10-15% of the homes are sitting empty.

Empty houses which aren’t being maintained well by the banks deteriorate very quickly.


7 posted on 05/11/2012 8:33:53 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: count-your-change

That’s an easy one. If the house is left empty of a resident or a just abandoned. It will be stripped in short order of all fixtures, A/C unit indoors and out as well as copper plumbing and electrical wiring. The strippers usually tear apart the wall to get what they want and they are fast!

Take away all of that stuff plus interior and possibly exterior damage a house is soon left as valueless. It would be cheaper to bulldoze it down and start all over versus rebuilding.


8 posted on 05/11/2012 8:41:50 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: C19fan
Basically because the servicers ****ed up people could get a home free and clear. One is a sucker to be responsible.

I think the argument here is that the servicers aren't simply making mistakes, but are intentionally filing fraudulent paperwork because doing it the right way is too time and cost consuming.

If the shoe were on the other foot and a private individual tried to get away with some of the stuff the banks and their collection agencies routinely do, you can bet the latter would be screaming bloody murder.

9 posted on 05/11/2012 8:46:25 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Elle Bee
Kendall Coffey

Now there's a name from the past.

10 posted on 05/11/2012 8:47:09 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: The Working Man

If it were sitting empty I can see how but I didn’t notice that to be the case. In any event someone has really taken a hit. Ouch!


11 posted on 05/11/2012 9:48:07 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Freed?


12 posted on 05/11/2012 9:49:54 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Elle Bee

Yeah, this one will have huge implications.


13 posted on 05/11/2012 11:57:32 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Elle Bee

I hope the plaintiffs are successful. These are supposedly professional organizations against whom the has little chance of beating, committing widespread and systematic fraud upon the courts. They need to be beaten down and hard.


14 posted on 05/11/2012 12:05:39 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I advocate separation of school and sport)
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To: Elle Bee

Two years ago, it would have been “How dare the homeowners demand due process!”

Will see if that starts up now.


15 posted on 05/11/2012 12:26:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Elle Bee

Seems to me you have two separate issues here. If the banks committed fraud in their initial filings, punish them. But, that’s really irrelevant to a later, legitimate filing.


16 posted on 05/11/2012 12:35:08 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: B Knotts
do you think that a bank should be able to defraud the court and the homeowner with impunity, withdraw when they're caught and then get a second bite at the apple?

There is a reason cases are dismissed with prejudice

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17 posted on 05/11/2012 1:56:01 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: M. Thatcher
a Clintonesta

• U.S. Attorney, Southern District of Florida (1993-1996)

• Chair, Southern District Conference, Florida Federal Judicial Nominating Commission (April 2009 – present)

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18 posted on 05/11/2012 2:03:28 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee

Two words: Elian Gonzalez


19 posted on 05/11/2012 5:34:55 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher
Like a bad penny

From a news release: In the wake of the recent Citizens United case, in which the Supreme Court allowed unlimited and undisclosed corporate money to be spent on such ads, TV stations have a greater responsibility to protect the public from the spread of false and deceptive information, Kendall Coffey, a lawyer for Sen. Bill Nelson (D FL) wrote in a letter to the stations today.

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20 posted on 05/14/2012 4:00:13 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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