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Facebook Billionaire Gives Up Citizenship to Escape Bad American Tax Policy
Townhall.com ^ | May 12, 2012 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 05/12/2012 6:07:21 AM PDT by Kaslin

It is very sad that America’s tax system is so onerous that some rich people feel they have no choice but to give up U.S. citizenship in order to protect their family finances.

I’ve written about this issue before, particularly in the context of Obama’s class-warfare policies leading to an increase in the number of Americans “voting with their feet” for places with less punitive tax regimes.

We now have a very high-profile tax expatriate. One of the founders of Facebook is escaping for Singapore. Here are some relevant passages in a Bloomberg article.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: facebook; loveitorleaveit; renouncecitizenship

1 posted on 05/12/2012 6:07:27 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

‘Brain drain’ used to be something that affected other countries, and skilled, accomplished people migrated to America as a haven.


2 posted on 05/12/2012 6:11:48 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Kaslin

I'm dizzy from all this spinning.

3 posted on 05/12/2012 6:12:33 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Kaslin

Left wing anti-American Commie freaks THREATEN to leave when they don’t like the results of an election.

Capitalists don’t threaten when domestic enemies steal their country from them.

FUBO, and the media sycophants you rode in on!


4 posted on 05/12/2012 6:14:07 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs
Somtimes people suck. My guess would be 39% of humans.
Not 38 or 40, 39%.
5 posted on 05/12/2012 6:19:41 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Kaslin

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/02/02/2012-2258/quarterly-publication-of-individuals-who-have-chosen-to-expatriate-as-required-by-section-6039g


6 posted on 05/12/2012 6:23:47 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: treetopsandroofs

See post above this one. I too noticed no prominent Hollyweird names.


7 posted on 05/12/2012 6:24:52 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

This guy is no different than the Mexican Cowards leaving Mexico. Instead of staying home and working to correct their sordid political system, Mexicans just choose to bail out to come here. He is the same.


8 posted on 05/12/2012 6:35:04 AM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Anyone who leaves the country and renounce citizenship is a rotten coward.
True Americans would stay and fight than turn tail and run.
We are better off with these sort of currs.


9 posted on 05/12/2012 6:37:33 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Kaslin

Eduardo Saverin is an immigrant from Brazil.
Wealthy family, prep school, magna cum laude Harvard grad.

You know darn well that if bothered to vote in 2008 it was for Obama.


10 posted on 05/12/2012 6:42:18 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Yorlik803

“True Americans would stay and fight than turn tail and run.”

They tried. Disease and the Union army killed most them and the survivors were penned into reservations. Then the people who turned tail and ran from Europe, Afica and Asia could run the show.


11 posted on 05/12/2012 6:47:43 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Kaslin
Facebook Billionaire Gives Up Citizenship to Escape Bad American Tax Policy

ANYONE who gives up their American citizenship this easily was never really an American! This happens when you let the dims make citizenship easier to obtain the a nobel peace prize so they can steal elections. Good riddance and don't let him back in!

12 posted on 05/12/2012 6:48:39 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: Kaslin
Attacking those who expatriate is the fiscal version of blaming the victim.

Collectivism/socialism doesn't care about what's really true and will try to shake any opposition every which way but loose. Socialism itself is a departure from truth and reality. Socialism says, "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."

13 posted on 05/12/2012 6:49:45 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: the invisib1e hand
spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning like a spinning top...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJUcPMuv7s

14 posted on 05/12/2012 6:58:40 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew
Collectivism/socialism doesn't care about what's really true...

And from some of the comments on this thread, neither does nativism.

15 posted on 05/12/2012 7:03:43 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Psalm 144

I would rather not bring any Civil War grudges into this.
The fight is in the here and now. The coming war makes the Civil War looks like a pillow fight.
Time for all true Americans to stand together and put behind us past wrongs or else we will be doomed.
Be you Johhny Reb or a Blue coat, the fight is with Obama and his blackshirts.
If we dont pull together then we can discuss history while eating pumpkin soup in a Obama Gulag.


16 posted on 05/12/2012 7:09:26 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Kaslin

Like Obama, he wasn’t born in this country, ergo, not a true American.


17 posted on 05/12/2012 7:11:02 AM PDT by NY Cajun
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To: Kaslin
Guess why?

The United States of America is the only one of the 200+ nations on this planet to include the following anti-competitive elements in its tax system:
1. Since Japan reduced its corporate income tax rate effective April 1, the USA has the highest corporate income tax rate in the world,
2. The USA has a non-territorial income tax system, meaning that it insists on taxing its corporations and individuals on their world wide income (subject to an individual exclusion of about $80k)
3. With the most complex income tax system in the world (both individual and corporate), our tax compliance costs are enormous. This constitutes a hidden additional tax
4. The US is the only one of 34 OECD nations with no border adjustment element in its tax system. That means we have no means of taxing most imports (since NAFTA and other trade agreements have greatly reduced tariffs over the past decade or two) and no means of relieveing our producers of their tax burden on their exported goods.

The combination of #1 and #2 above is particularly toxic. In tandem, they create the situation in which our corporations pay taxes in the jurisdiction they are earned in, then turn around and pay an additional amount (because our tax rates are ALWAYS higher) to the U. S. government.

All together, it is hard to believe that ours is not the worst tax system on the planet from the standpoint of global competitiveness. That’s right - worse than Namibia, Belize, Bangladesh, Laos, Iceland and any other country you can name. At a time when globalization is THE megatrend shaping the future of the world, and when the global competition for jobs, capital and markets are increasing rapidly, we stand pat with this tax system.

However, there is one thing that our tax system excels at - it is terrific at siphoning money out of the big money special interests and getting it into the hands of lobbyists and the campaign coffers of career politicians.

18 posted on 05/12/2012 7:15:59 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

A lot of “conservatives” don’t understand the economic rule of self interest. In that sense they’re in the same camp as the socialists.
I put quotation marks around the word “conservative” because like Milton Friedman, if I understand the English language, conservatism means keeping the status quo, continuing in the same direction. Liberalism, on the other hand, means freedom loving. In that sense, I’m not a conservative, but a liberal.


19 posted on 05/12/2012 7:19:19 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Psalm 144

If I may ask, where did your ancestors come from?


20 posted on 05/12/2012 7:28:04 AM PDT by quesera (Painfully watching the decline of American greatness.)
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To: svxdave

yea, because staying in the US and being forced, under threat of violence, to hand over $2 billion would change the US

seriously, wake up.

the only thing these people listen to is money and power. this guy has money, but his money outpaced his power to hold onto it. therefore, he left.

i’m just amazed they ‘recognized’ his renouncing of citizenship. my guess is that they didn’t realize he had significant money until after granting his request.

if the US actually wants to attract the kind of people that made this country great... the first step would be to stop punishing them when they do succeed. until then, internet types have no reason to stay in the US... and many reasons to leave.


21 posted on 05/12/2012 8:37:27 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: svxdave

We’ve been trying to correct our sordid political system for decades. Has it worked, really? No, the corrupt politicians (which is about 95% of them) screw the voters, tax the hell out of them and then act like they are doing us a favor.

I think Saverin is smart to take his money elsewhere. He would stand to lose appox. 600 million in taxes when Facebook goes public. If our corrupt government got it instead, it would just go down the rathole!


22 posted on 05/12/2012 8:40:11 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Yorlik803

stay and fight? with what? are we picking up guns now?

no.

instead, he’s supposed to stay... and hand over his cash to the progressives so they can buy even more votes? yea, that’s a plan.

paying $2 billion just to stay around and try to convince the drooling masses to not vote for their own destruction is fairly pointless. of course, by saving that $2 billion... he can invest it from overseas into media agencies in the US to undermine the progressives

that would be smarter.

of course, being smarter has nothing to do with your feelings on the subject.


23 posted on 05/12/2012 8:43:07 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Yorlik803

That’s easy to say when you aren’t going to pay millions in income tax, per year.

Let the government pull the plug on your savings accounts, and you have no money to fight with.

Someone so prominent jumping ship is probably one of the best ways to protest this Administration.

What does it say when the new rich (or maybe new extremely rich) are abandoning the USA, rather than hippies that don’t agree with anything good or wholesome?


24 posted on 05/12/2012 8:46:00 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Yorlik803
I hear Ya! A war may turn out to be the only answer for what is being done to our country.

My mantra is, "Bring back the tar, feathers and rail."
25 posted on 05/12/2012 8:47:42 AM PDT by Banjoguy (The U.S. population are now the slaves of all taxing bodies in the country.)
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To: sten

So a person would be better off renouncing his citizenship to the still great country on Earth. And go where: Europe,Asia,The Middle East?
Yeah, sure those places are better....you can own guns and have unlimited freedom of speech and other things we can do.
Oh Wait....those places are out....Speak harshly of gays in some countries and you end up before a peoples tribunal.
Owning guns is out unless you are part of some elite class.
Go where? Tell me where you can go where its better than here? It is better to stand and fight where you are while you still can rather than bug out.
You people sound like the faggy liberals who threaten to leave after Bush was elected. A bunch of whiney crybabies. Waaa...Obama is big and evil...we better run ...waaaa.
People who leave this country are cowards.....afraid to defend what is God given to us....And we are better off without them.
And if you and your ilk would rather bug out rather than stand tough, then bye bye...good luck in what ever land you decide is best. and when that land falls, then hop to another country, then another until there is now place to run with you tails between your legs.
I am done with you.....


26 posted on 05/12/2012 9:00:18 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

LOL

so, what exactly are you doing to ‘defend’ the country against progressives? did you confront them at their occupy rallies? have you arrested them as they stuffed the ballot boxes? have you ‘stood guard’ over the precincts to insure only the ‘right’ people vote?

i doubt it.

so exactly what have you done to stop this?

are you paying billions in taxes? no.

if you were in that position, would you just gladly hand it over and whine about how they are taking your money and handing it to the occu-tards? how does that help?

his leaving the US helps point out the problem FAR more then anything you’ve done to stop the progressives, i’d guarantee it

actually, his leaving the US only impacts the welfare junkies. is that the reason you’re so upset?


27 posted on 05/12/2012 9:18:07 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Yorlik803

Singapore is the city of money. I confess, I don’t know tax rates there, but you can bet it’s better than here, since Singapore has a laser like focus on commerce.

And with billions of bucks on tap, it is pretty easy to have guns, against the law or not.

Freedom of speech may be a problem to some extent, but again, with billions, you can make your points be heard by proxy. And a lot cheaper than paying some more welfare cash into the government coffers.


28 posted on 05/12/2012 9:26:21 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Kaslin
It is very sad that America’s tax system is so onerous that some rich people feel they have no choice but to give up U.S. citizenship in order to protect their family finances.

I can guarantee you that no "feeling" was involved in this decision. I'm sure an entire team of consultants made this decision based on straightforward math.

29 posted on 05/12/2012 10:46:48 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: sten

I work 80 plus hrs,buddy. I have never been on welfare nor unemployment. And I have been working since I got out of the High School in the 80s.
What irks me is people who quit the greatest country on earth.
Sure we have this creature and his minions in the Whitehouse and things look grim.
What have I done? I have been informing people about what is really going on here and not to rely on what the MSM feeds them. I have even converted a few of them to see the light.
I dont advocate violence. I advocate educating people.
But I wont shirk my duty if it comes down to action. Nor would I run[even if I had the means} to another country because I lack the guts to make a stand.
I wouldnt pull a hair if some stupid prick bolts the country. But I aint going to cry and make pouty faces because things aint peachy.
Other than whine here, let me ask you what YOU have done? Or are you sitting with one hand on the computer keyboard and your other hand down your pants?


30 posted on 05/12/2012 10:53:06 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Aqua225

20% for personal taxes on income earned in Singapore but 0% for capital gains which this would be and virtually no capital gains taxes for foreigners investing in US.


31 posted on 05/12/2012 12:23:59 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Aqua225

20% for personal taxes on income earned in Singapore but 0% for capital gains which this would be and virtually no capital gains taxes for foreigners investing in US.


32 posted on 05/12/2012 12:24:21 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: treetopsandroofs

“Left wing anti-American Commie freaks THREATEN to leave when they don’t like the results of an election.”

Where has it said in all these posts that he is a left winger?

He is getting out while he can. The rest of you are going down with the Titanic. Who wins? Not you.

Good for him.


33 posted on 05/12/2012 12:33:20 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Yorlik803

“True Americans would stay and fight than turn tail and run.”

And where are these “True Americans”?

I haven’t seen them for over three years and much, much more.

They have all been too busy whining waiting for someone else to fix the problem.


34 posted on 05/12/2012 12:40:10 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Kaslin

Good riddance then !


35 posted on 05/12/2012 12:41:20 PM PDT by tomkat (TEAM INFIDEL)
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To: Yorlik803

The rotten cowards are you folks who aren’t lifting a finger to protect the U.S. but brag who many guns and bullets you own. Trust me. You are all too chicken to use them. What a waste of money.


36 posted on 05/12/2012 12:43:50 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Iron Munro

“You know darn well that if bothered to vote in 2008 it was for Obama.”

You don’t know that. In fact, you don’t know if he voted at all.


37 posted on 05/12/2012 12:45:32 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: svxdave; Iron Munro; Yorlik803; The Sons of Liberty; NY Cajun
This guy is no different than the Mexican Cowards leaving Mexico...... He is the same.

He is not the same and you're no different then the rest of the brain dead dems who only read newspaper headlines then base your predetermined, bigoted decisions on what you read.

First of all, you know nothing about his politics and given his young age and background, I would suspect that he, as well as his family are staunch conservatives.

Saverin's family moved to Miami in 1993 when he was only 11 years old after his father became wealthy in Brazil and discovered that his children had been placed on "kidnapping" lists by gangs specializing in kidnapping for ransom.

Saverin attended Gulliver Preparatory School in Miami, and went on to Harvard University, where he was a member of the Phoenix S.K. Club as well as president of the Harvard Investment Association.

While an undergraduate at Harvard, Saverin took advantage of Brazil's lax insider trading regulations and made $300,000 via strategic investments in the oil industry.[15][14][16] In 2006, Saverin graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University with a bachelor's degree in economics.

Considering the fact that Saverin is no longer a member of the Facebook organization, and hasn't been for a number of years and rather now is just a shareholder, was going to be nailed with Capital Gaines Taxes once Facebook went public, he made the right economic move in order to save his own personal wealth from the fingers of the greedy tax-grabbing government that YOU SUDDENLY SUPPORT.........

The only difference between you and Mr. Saverin is the amount of monies you stand to lose in Capital Gains. With that being the case, it's easy for you to pull your own class warfare card........

38 posted on 05/12/2012 1:57:42 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
In fact, you don’t know if he voted at all.

That is why I said "IF".


39 posted on 05/12/2012 3:04:59 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I contrasted that statement with the following one about the capitalist.


40 posted on 05/12/2012 3:24:46 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: quesera

Central Asia and Northern Europe, so far as I know. Some over the Bering Straight land bridge to hunt wooly mammoth I assume, and some to Jamestown Colony as indentured servants. At the turn of the last century there was an orphaned Prussian girl sent to next of kin in the Midwest, and there was a drunk Norwegian seaman who was put off of his ship in America.

My point was and is that people will go where they see advantage for themselves and their posterity, and defend the same. They will leave dead end or declining prospects if they are able.


41 posted on 05/12/2012 3:38:48 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: PapaNew

Thank you for trying to recover the language. Liberal is not the same as leftist - far from it - although sloppy use of language has made that the default meaning in most conversations. Two other words that need to be recovered and rehabilitated are ‘comrade’ and ‘gay’. Perfectly decent words for wholesome things, which have been shanghaied and abused for decades now.


42 posted on 05/12/2012 3:44:35 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I wouldn’t give up my citizenship in this the Greatest Country on God’s Green Earth, just to lower my taxes.

I certainly don’t support the Government extracting those taxes but some things are more important than money.


43 posted on 05/12/2012 3:46:14 PM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: svxdave
I wouldn’t give up my citizenship in this the Greatest Country on God’s Green Earth, just to lower my taxes.

Easy to say since you're likely to never be put in a position where you have to make a decision to either move out of country or give your government hundreds of millions of dollars in capital gaines taxes........

And that's a conservative estimate based on his realization of $3.4 billion when Facebook went public.........

44 posted on 05/12/2012 4:10:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Yorlik803

It would be nice if I had enough money that I could profit from renouncing my citizenship....We are not citizens anymore, just slaves that give our days work, sweat and blood to the greedy government....I love my country but hate my government, I can still love it even if I lived somewhere else. But I think I would feel sorrow for what it use to be...


45 posted on 05/12/2012 5:55:50 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

“I love my country but hate my government”

When enough Russians felt the same way, the Soviet Union burst like a soap bubble and is now gone. Since then, Russians have by and large prospered.

Do we really need the swarming bacterium in the Pustule on the Potomac? No. There was a vigorous and prosperous America before the Washington government, and there will be a vigorous and prosperous America after its demise. Probably not before though.


46 posted on 05/12/2012 8:06:40 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Obama's record is an open charnel pit. Romney's too, but under a whitened sepulchre.)
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To: Iron Munro

Ooopseeee....Sorry.


47 posted on 05/13/2012 8:18:31 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Yorlik803

“True Americans would stay and fight than turn tail and run.”

This isn’t a fight, not yet anyway. This is a business decision, and America has competition that makes such a person more welcome. It is sad to think “The land of the free” is actually a place people flee.

Competition is a good thing. Wake up America.


48 posted on 05/13/2012 8:34:18 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Yorlik803

“What irks me is people who quit the greatest country on earth.”

But that it the problem: The US is not the greatest country on Earth anymore as he obviously found a better one for him and his money. This nation was going to take it from him. How is that great? How can you be proud of that fact?

Competition is a good thing.


49 posted on 05/13/2012 8:39:04 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: svxdave

“I certainly don’t support the Government extracting those taxes but some things are more important than money.”

Name it. Name each and every thing that is more important than your labor and the life you live to exert it and then tell us how the government taking half of that is not a slave. FREEDOM is the most important trait of a nation, and we ain’t free anymore.


50 posted on 05/13/2012 8:43:05 AM PDT by CodeToad
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