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Where does government control of the economy lead? (Historical long-term unemployment)
Posted to fb by FReeper Joe Wierzbicki | May 12, 2012 | Pew Research

Posted on 05/12/2012 12:30:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson



TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chronicunemployment; cronycapitalism; economy; epicfailure; keynesianeconomics; obamunomics; unemployment

1 posted on 05/12/2012 12:30:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Think of Gore trying to pass a simple algebra test.

Think of Clinton trying to pass a simple lie detector test.

Think of Hillary trying to “recall” a felony that she committed.

Why in h*ll do we think government idiots can do anything?


2 posted on 05/12/2012 12:32:40 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Jim Robinson

Wait ‘till robotics becomes ubiquitous. You think we’re seeing long-term unemployment now? Fugeddaboudit. It’s just around the corner too. Robots everywhere is right now about where the personal computer was in 1977.


3 posted on 05/12/2012 12:36:37 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The only polite phrase I can think of is "Train-wreck"


4 posted on 05/12/2012 12:36:54 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Da Coyote; Impeach98; Syncro; onyx

Are you better off now than you were four years ago?


5 posted on 05/12/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
The problem is the entrenched attack posse, msm, that sits in wait to destroy anyone not ‘on their team’. Many people are angered and want to make a difference, but most will not sacrifice their families to do it. I respect Palin for pulling out. The reasons are clear imo. This needs to crash unfortunately imo. The oligarchy is running out of fools, and the entire information distribution system is changing, in no small part thanks to you.
6 posted on 05/12/2012 12:48:45 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Jim Robinson

I dream of an America where a guy can run a small business out of his home and actually make a living. Taxes, regulation, licensing, and stupid government are the only things that prevent me doing any number of things to make a living on my own. If I ever got big enough to hire 1 part time helper it would add a whole new layer of regulation and taxation.


7 posted on 05/12/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Free market economists know that in a free society with a just government,the cure for unemployment in the long run is for the government to not intervene in the economy and allow a drop in money wage rates and prices. When both fall at the same time, there is little or no long term fall in real wage rates and the standard of living for the average worker. And the economy is not harmed by the destructive effects of inflation and government deficits.


8 posted on 05/12/2012 12:59:14 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: cripplecreek
I was self employed in ‘95. It was lot of work, but I made my own hours and took time when I needed it. I was a single parent at 19. I had no choice. Took the income tax courses and read the regulations while I was not working. No time for a life per say but I did get quite an education. Could not imagine starting from scratch again in this environment. The kids are being screwed more than the established imo.
9 posted on 05/12/2012 1:02:03 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Jim Robinson

When you have a person in the highest office of the nation that sides and is friends with socialists, marxists, communists, terrorists......what you got are problems. Problems that lead to civil unrest of the most “extreme kind”.


10 posted on 05/12/2012 1:18:29 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Jim Robinson

Twenty percent rise in unemployment in a mere 4 years!

Where else, but Keynesian-Marxist economics can ya get such a return on tax-payer money spent wastefully and knowingly!


11 posted on 05/12/2012 1:23:28 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: mjp

Pew, of course, is a leftist group that feigns to be non-partisan.

While interesting, Pew leaves out that since July 2010, the number of people going on disability was HIGHER than the improvement in unemployment by 100,000!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/something-wicked-this-way-comes-disability-and-average-weeks-unemployed-skyrocketed-since-mid-2010/

Stated differently, this economist argues that actual unemployment has RISEN, not fallen.

A Socialist recovery.


12 posted on 05/12/2012 1:34:06 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: allmost

When I was a kid there were still some old timers around who had started businesses in the 20s and 30s with virtually no government interference. They said that they could start a business on a whim with no government forms to fill out and no interference from government as long as their products and services weren’t killing anyone.

My great grandfather came back from “the great war” and went to work as a surveyor in Michigan’s upper peninsula. Just him, his surveyor equipment, his camera equipment and an old Indian motorcycle. When that job was done, he went back to the head of the line and became a lineman hanging electric lines. That’s where he learned his true trade.

When that job was done, he went back to our home town and proceeded to work as an independent contractor hanging all the power lines in the area. In his spare time he and a bunch of the local young guys wired virtually every house in town.

Those guys who worked with my great granddad have told me some great stories about “Poop” (My grandfather’s nickname) over the years. They say he didn’t pay them a lot but he was an honest broker who bought them tools, fed them and made sure they learned what they needed to know to pick up side work on their own. He paid each according to their ability and need.


13 posted on 05/12/2012 1:35:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Steely Tom

It’s really something to think about, I suspect that the call for a world population of no more than half a billion is prompted by the expectation that robots will do almost all the necessary work soon. All those extra “useless eaters” simply get in the way of the elite who want to be able to cruise empty highways, enjoy uncrowded beaches etc. You could own an estate like Biltmore if you have robots to do the work and you kill off the tourists who overrun it now.
What anointed one wants to live in a crowded world if you don’t need those people for labor? Anyone who would prefer life in an apartment building to having a ten thousand acre estate and a mansion is simply nuts.


14 posted on 05/12/2012 1:42:56 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: cripplecreek

Technology advances. It is harder to maintain that general knowledge. Every year it becomes more difficult. Moore’s Law.


15 posted on 05/12/2012 1:48:13 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Jim Robinson; Lazamataz; Gator113; onyx; All

My opinion: America in its present form will not survive the coming economic meltdown. The first groups of unemployed will shortly have reached the limit of unemployment benefits and more will be added as theirs end (read about this yesterday). These millions will need housing, water, food and they will have no money. After the first of next year, taxes go up and government debt and banks will be in trouble due to pending deadlines (just read about that), and the country will spiral downward and never be the same. The time of TEOTWAWKI arrives.

At some point, with millions needing life sustaining shelter/water/food, it may not be safe to leave your house to buy food and other items if they are still there (no guarantee of that). It is time to gather provisions if you haven’t already. I stay prepared due to Texas tornados and hurricanes and have added to my provisions to last a longer time due to the meltdown that will surely happen. I will never have to depend on FEMA to give me a bottle of water or an MRE. As long as Hussein is in power, he wouldn’t save me anyway as I think on my own and that puts me on his hate list.

I hope all Freepers realize the desperate situation our country is in and take action to have “life sustaining insurance” consisting of what it takes to live on your own for a period of time.

You likely have fire insurance, auto insurance, physical death insurance, and with what we are facing, that being the decline of the country, it makes total sense to store items to insure your family can live on it’s own without having to depend on others to literally live.

I wrote 20+ articles for the Survival Podcast website on how to prepare – how I did it and still do it. Over 11,000 people have used these articles to help them prepare without losing their mind. If you are interested in reading these, send me a Freepmail and I’ll give you instructions how to get there.

JIM, I hope I don’t have to go to California to save your life. If you don’t have water and food, we lose Free Republic and that is not acceptable (as long as we have electricity which hopefully we will have but no guarantee on that). Actually, even if FR goes away, I love you for being you and I would save you, FR or no FR. Guess I should store some extra honey for your wound or others you may develop. I already have two wheelchairs and other medical equipment and I was a licensed EMT and have that equipment and made the highest score on the EMT test of any in my class, so I’m ready for your call.

I think Lazamataz also lives in California and I’d save him if he would shut up long enough for me to do it (ha).
Marcella


16 posted on 05/12/2012 1:58:59 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella
How about a half-way melt down. What would your scenario look like?
17 posted on 05/12/2012 2:04:38 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Marcella
I live in Georgia.

I have only very light preparations.

18 posted on 05/12/2012 2:06:29 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: Marcella

Thank you very much, Marcella. It’s difficult to rip up roots and move from the place you were born and have called home all your life, but we may be forced to do so soon. California is on the verge of total collapse and the liberals steadfastly refuse to quit piling on the debt. How about a trillion dollar high speed rail to hell? When the cities and counties start going broke (and it’s already happening) basic services will be cut and things will go downhill fast.

Got room on your compound for a few more (assuming we can still get gasoline for the freepmobile)? :)

God bless Texas. One of the few remaining states that actually respects Liberty!!


19 posted on 05/12/2012 2:17:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Lazamataz

Sorry, thought you were in California. I’ll save you no matter what state you are in. I recall your saying in a post that you didn’t have much in way of preps. If you read my articles, that should give you the info. on what to do that is economical. Choose the items that are the cheapest but will keep you alive. MAKE A PLAN - that is covered in the articles. You will like reading those articles.

We don’t want to lose you.


20 posted on 05/12/2012 2:18:02 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Lazamataz

Preparation H?


21 posted on 05/12/2012 2:18:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

22 posted on 05/12/2012 2:19:47 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah c<meth. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: allmost

“Could not imagine starting from scratch again in this environment. The kids are being screwed more than the established imo.”

Was talking to someone with siblings/friends that graduate this weekend. I cannot imagine having to face these headwinds with a new sheepskin. Thank God these folks are often upbeat.


23 posted on 05/12/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah c<meth. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

I hope I am wrong.


24 posted on 05/12/2012 2:27:35 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Jim Robinson

Sad to say, I don’t even have that! LOL


25 posted on 05/12/2012 2:34:31 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: Marcella

Point me to the articles please?


26 posted on 05/12/2012 2:37:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: allmost

“How about a half-way melt down. What would your scenario look like?”

The botton line is, anything that stops trucks more than a week at most, means it all goes down - not halfway, it all goes - delivery of food, power goes, banks go, water will go, all of it.

Most people don’t realize how interconnected we are, one thing depending on another thing to work, depending on another thing to work and on and on. Take away one of those and the others can’t continue so I think there is no such thing as a half-way melt down that doesn’t bring it all down.


27 posted on 05/12/2012 2:41:40 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Lazamataz
16 supermodels and some noob ask you if you would, You did not hit it Laz, you “put it off”. That's when it became apparent that intervention was necessary. ?
28 posted on 05/12/2012 2:43:31 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Marcella
I think the locals will brokenly function. It will die quickly. The starving hordes will find you.
29 posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:44 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Lazamataz

Will send you Freepmail very shortly. Enjoy.


30 posted on 05/12/2012 2:49:29 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella; Kartographer

You need to meet Kartographer. Did you get to meet N_W_Arizona_Granny? Our very own, before she passed? Ruthie was just plain cool.


31 posted on 05/12/2012 2:49:33 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah c<meth. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: allmost

“The starving hordes will find you.”

Not likely if you prepare correctly.

I have heard your commment over and over from people who don’t prepare. It’s kind of like our patriots saying, “We can’t separate from England because they will find us and win.” Thank goodness they made a plan and stuck with it instead of saying that.

It’s a matter of choice. Have nothing and die or do something about it while you can. It’s your choice. It is easier to do nothing just as our patriots could have taken the easy way and done nothing and stayed under England’s rule.

Problem solvers will prepare; others will sit and hope nothing happens. I am a problem solver, not a sitter.


32 posted on 05/12/2012 3:17:23 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: allmost
I'm rising above "hitting it". I no longer "hit it".

I now "smack that".

33 posted on 05/12/2012 3:31:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: combat_boots

“You need to meet Kartographer.”

I’m on his ping list and read everything he posts. Sometimes a dufus or two get on those threads to try to cause trouble. I really don’t get that - no one has to prepare but these people think they need to throw stones at those who do. They obviously don’t have much of a life if this is what they have to do to find “entertainment”.

If I had the power of “zots” they wouldn’t last long. Kartographer does a good job with his posts.


34 posted on 05/12/2012 3:34:16 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella

God bless and keep you, dearest Marcella.
I’m only about one quarter prepared for the worst, but at least I moved out of CA.


35 posted on 05/12/2012 3:44:31 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson

If you are forced to move, certainly think about coming to Texas. There is a VA hospital in Waco, TX, and Waco is not a huge city like Houston or Dallas. Waco is central Texas so has water - it’s not semi-arid or arid as the hill country and west Texas.

You would have a higher standard of living than in California as our prices on everything are much lower than California. And, we are not building a fast train to hell as California is.

You can own as many guns as you want and as much ammo as you want. We have an actual law that says you can kill anyone who breaks in your house - it doesn’t have to go to a grand jury - it is your lawful right to kill the sucker. You can also carry a concealed weapon.

If you have to move, might as well move to a place where the majority shares your values.


36 posted on 05/12/2012 3:54:19 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella

Stayed overnight in Waco a couple times while FReeping or tea partying. Nice area.


37 posted on 05/12/2012 3:58:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Marcella

Well, I have been outside playing in the dirt on my tractor, so I am late to your post. After having almost rolled it twice, I decided that it was time to get off the tractor and come back in. I’ll try it again tomorrow. ;>)

This was an excellent post, a gloomy reality, but sage advice.

I have always been prepared to survive for a month or two. I learned to do that from my grandmother who had lived through the Depression. A few years ago we increased our efforts. While we would not be comfortable, we are now set up to survive for nearly 6 months without leaving my property.

I still have a few things on my to do list, but we continue to work at it. For example, we have our own water well, but it takes power to run the pump. I own 3 generators, but gas could be difficult to get. Consequently, I want to set up our well with the addition of a hand pump.

I think this will be the year that I finally get off my backside and buy the HAM radios that I have always believed would be good to have. I believe that the ability to communicate with the outside world could become extremely important.

If all eles fails, I’ll be headed to your compound. ;>) Well, you could come to our mountain if you need a hideout, Marcella.


38 posted on 05/12/2012 5:46:00 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113

I bought a ham radio receiver not long ago. Yes, get the radio. Do you have screen doors on all your doors? If not, I need to talk to you about that.


39 posted on 05/12/2012 6:17:14 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella

I do for the front door, but the back door needs replacing.

I also have a green metal roof.... I got tired of repairing 3 tab roofing. ;>)


40 posted on 05/12/2012 6:34:15 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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