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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-12-2012 | Be Informed

Posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by blam

How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?

Be Informed
May 12th, 2012
SHTFplan

This article has been made available by regular SHTF Plan contributor Be Informed.

Editor’s Note: You have no doubt had your own set of issues dealing with friends and family members that simply don’t see the writing on the wall. The following article may serve to assist you in convincing those who simply don’t know, don’t want to know, don’t care, or have never even thought to contemplate. Some of the scenarios outlined below may be frightening, as they should be, because when it hits the fan millions of people will be thrown into desperation with no hope of a solution. Be Informed provides a variety of point-by-point details that may (and hopefully will) convince the non-prepared individual to at least insulate themselves with the basic necessities. The consequences for not doing so, as you’ll see, are severe and often deadly.

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I have become personally so disenchanted with the way people fail to prep. People still don’t understand how important it is to put away. I have gotten into arguments over this and had cretins call me a fool because I put away food, water, and supplies. I thought about this and the frustration that other preppers have with this laid back idiotic attitude that there is no need for preparation. There are good people that just can’t/won’t start preparing. They have the money to do so, but just don’t want to. Many have only seen what happens to non-preppers on TV, but it still doesn’t make an impact.

In this article I detail some hard core realities to show just how awful it will be for those that don’t prep. Every one of these scenarios is something that has occurred to the non-prepper throughout history. While strong images come to mind, the purpose is to jar some people out of their inaction and into action before it is too late.

Preppers are good people and care much about those around them, and unless something does jar those around them that choose not to prep, their own survival chances could be reduced. For every bit of food, water, ammunition, or supplies you sacrifice to the non-prepper, the fewer irreplaceable supplies are left for you and your family in a crisis situation. It is hoped that the following can help certain people put into TRUE perspective just how horrific it will be for those that don’t prepare.

Here are the awful consequences for those refusing to prep.

As the world continues to decay at multiple facets, the common person has and continues to be lulled into a sense that everything is improving and will continue to for the distant future. After all, to them unemployment has peaked out and will drop until everyone that wants to work will easily be able to find good paying work, North Korea is no threat because all their long range “bottle rockets” fizz out, sanctions will eventually make Iran give up their nuclear program, oil prices will start going down after June or so, Europe will bail out Greece and Spain and everyone else, and U.S. debt will eventually come under control.

After 2012 everyone that has prepared themselves will go back to more “sensible” lives. “Good times are coming”, baseball season is here, let’s get back to watching some more crackerjack news.

It is amazing how people become good conversationalists with most others discussing all the gossip related news, while becoming mentally tranquilized into a totally deceptive state of denial of truly dangerous issues of the times. It’s the blind leading the blind… right off the cliff.

Rather than dealing with harsh reality, people surround themsleves with easy to digest material that can be talked about without directly influencing anyone’s lives. Meaningless chatter. Even for those unwilling to even think to prepare for a societal catastrophic event, there is also no desire to even face the extreme possibility of a sudden loss of one’s employment. A personal SHTF.

Look at some of the terrible personal pain experienced in America right now – and it hasn’t even hit the fan on a grand scale. Those people who have lived it up on credit, who failed to put much of anything away for a rainy day, who’ve lost their job, and who eventually lost their unemployment benefits are experiencing the first level of collapse. This is happening to millions of people in our own country, all around us, as we speak.

These Americans, who once enjoyed the luxuries that modern living had to offer, are now at their wits end, with very little hope for a return to their previous lives. They are no longer able to pay most or any of their bills. Many have to humiliatingly turn to others for help to pay for food, or worse, to obtain old, unhealthy and poor tasting food from locally funded food banks. Their credit cards are totally worthless. Many have been evicted from their homes and have uprooted their families to live either on the street, in tent cities, with relatives, or have been forced to live at homeless shelters, They’ve have had their vehicles repossessed, or simply can’t afford the gasoline anymore. Their living conditions often make it difficult, if not impossible, to look presentable for job interviews. For many, the life of stability they knew just a short while ago is gone, replaced with fear and a constant stress to the point of nervous breakdown.

A personal economic meltdown is confined to the individual or family, or at worst a few families. The human civilization remains intact and so do society’s safety nets.

With food assistance, rental assistance, homesless shelters, and family to turn to, even the most destitute are almost always able to find some sort of help – however menial.

It is no wonder with these known assistance programs, then, that people have forgotten or never thought to consider what happens IF and WHEN human civilization goes through a strong enough SHTF event. If that happens on a mass scale what happens to everyone that needs help that has not prepared ahead of time? What happens when governments are in such total disarray or destroyed altogether that they can’t help even if they wanted to?

The media and others have portrayed the good people that sacrifice much if not all “luxuries” of life to prepare themselves and their family and friends for extreme times, as chicken littles. Those who have made the choice to store up emergency food, water, and other necessities to avoid extreme life threatening risks, including suffering horribly during and after a widespread SHTF event, are laughed at and ridiculed often for “wasting” their lives on delusional paranoia.

But who is delusional? Those who see the signs around them and understand how vulnerable the system is, or those who believe that things never change, that politicians have their best interests at heart, and that if the worst happens the government will be there to provide everything they may need?

How many have considered the dire consequences of their failure to prepare in the event that the infrastructure and everything a country’s people depend on totally collapses?

The misery from long term unemployment and lack of money is like a walk in the park compared to the severe anguish and dangerous conditions that await those who have failed to prepare for the aftermath of a large scale cataclysm. The “minor” problems of unemployment that seem extremely major and painful to most today should serve as a wake up call to what life will be like when something much, much worse happens – when those proverbial safety nets are no longer there to catch us.

Many preppers have become deeply frustrated at those around them, especially those that truly mean something to them, because they simply refuse to put away anything at all for emergencies. The prepper is usually a person that cares a lot and it is often difficult for them to take a tough stance towards the people that they care about. However, unless someone changes the habits of those people that fail to get ready, decisions will need to be made, and they won’t be easy.

The choice of what the prepared prepper should do will boil down to either either adding these people to their own circle or survival group and reduce the group’s safety, supplies and self sufficiency, OR, they will have to let the non-prepper fend for themselves. This is a very personal choice, and each of us will need to decide based on our own morals, ethics and personal relationships.

As a last ditch effort, discussing the following scenarios with the non-prepper may help them understand what life will be like without what has sustained them so comfortably for so long.

This is the hard reality the non prepper needs to understand:

* Without power the water company cannot get water to their faucets. Without water dehydration occurs within 24 hours. Dehydration causes much suffering before death.

* Toilets in homes, unless they have an incineration toilet that still need power to work, don’t flush without water. Where will they go to the bathroom and then where will they dispose of human waste?

* There will be no clean water available anywhere, especially in major cities, and they cannot live more than about three days without it.

* Drinking dirty and polluted water will make them incredibly sick and accelerate the dehydration process.

* Polluted water must be purified and that means having a good filter, bleach or other disinfectant, or fuel and something to boil water with.

* Understand just how fragile the power and the infrastructure is that pumps water to the public. A breakdown in our power infrastructure or a cyber attack against utility systems will render them useless.

* A single event can rapidly lead to a cascade of other events that would certainly collapse almost, if not, everything. This is why major snow storms, hurricanes or solar events in the past have affected millions of people in an entire region all at once.

* A single, seemingly unimportant event may become quite terrible as its repercussions spread; this can include a far and away disaster.

* Understand that the economies of the world are so interwoven that when one major economy falls it affects everyone.

* Not having any food in the house means that if the stores are emptied suddenly in a bad enough situation that there will be no food available for a long period of time afterward. Recent history during disasters around the world has shown that stores can literally be emptied in minutes.

* Think about how totally horrible the feeling of being very hungry is and what circumstances would cause one to be desperate enough to eat anything.

* ALL stores can be closed instantly under martial law.

* Understand that you may not be able to purchase anything after it starts, especially with any credit cards.

* Understand the complexity of food and water distribution; breaks in these chains can stop anything from getting to the people.

* What life will be like if no toilet paper is stored? Understand that without light sources, the night will be pitch black, often with zero visibility.

* There will be no communications, other than probably martial law type of instructions over the radio, that is if they have batteries for the radio.

* Other than ham and shortwave radio, any information that is available will be sent out by the government as filtered propaganda that “they” want everyone to hear.

* Without power consider what it will be like to not have any heat to stay warm, or air conditioned air to stay cooler – with no way of alleviating the situation.

* Travelling will likely be by foot or bicycle, as there will be no fuel and roadways may be blocked.

* Realize that ANY travel outside of the home or neighborhood will be extremely dangerous as ANYONE who moves becomes a target

* Non preppers will be pushed way beyond their limit because of lack of supplies.

* The non prepper must realize their government does not really care about them individually, that they are a mere number and help will likely not come from them.

* They have to figure out somewhere to get food. This can mean wild plants which they must know how to identify as safe, or risk poisoning themselves.

* They have to understand that when we refer to “having no food” it doesn’t mean not having the food they are used to enjoying, it means no food to eat at all.

* They have to understand that if they are fortunate enough to have any running water, they will probably have to bathe in cold water for lack of stored fuel to heat water.

* They have to realize that the very strange and totally unexpected is going to be all around them, made that much worse because of lack of any reliable self defense stores or skills.

* They might have to remain on the run constantly because of looking for water and food.

* They must understand that bad will be magnified magnitudes to living misery because of lack of food, water, and other necessary items that they took for granted for so long.

Okay, now comes the “truly ugly and unthinkable” life that most, if not all, people that have failed and refused to prepare themselves will deal with. Clear vivid visualization is key here for anyone that ho hums the idea of prepping.

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

* The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

* The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

* The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

* The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

* The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

* The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.

* The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.

* The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly, because they have neglected putting away anything to make life more bearable.

* The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper. Imagine the smell for a moment.

* The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amoungst the filth that will pile up. No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.

The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.

* The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries. Didn’t even stock up on disinfectives. Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.

* The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.

* The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that taste so bad it gags them and comes back up.

* The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared committing suicide because they can’t take it any longer.

* The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.

* The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.

* The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.

* The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.

* The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.

* The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.

* The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk, and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.

* The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.

* The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.

* The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics. Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.

* The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self defense, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.

* The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live. They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot. They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do, and get sick and suffer much before dying. The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”.

Almost every single person, even a very poor person, has the capacity to put away emergency food and supplies. Even homeless people have stashes of something just in case things become so bad that the normal hand outs and thrown-away items dry up. Many people with good sources of income don’t even have an extra can of food or any water put away at all. This is stupidity beyond words.

Every day lightweight disasters happen in all parts of the world that disturb services enough that people are confined to their homes for a certain amount of time. While recovery is short, people are still uncomfortable during these times. Look what happens after a power outage at night and you will be mystified at how many homes are completely dark for hours. People have not even bought an extra couple of candles or any battery operated light sources. Even in well-to-do neighborhoods you may hear only a lone generator going after a blackout. This lack of preparedness is truly frightening and plays itself out again, again, and again every time services are disrupted for minor to major reasons. It’s as if there is something wrong with storing extra food, water, and supplies.

Even after “lessons” played out to what happens to those non-prepared, most people still feel that it just cannot happen to them, or won’t ever happen to them again. It should be proof enough to people what happens to those unprepared after disasters simply by looking at those that have gone through it firsthand. The difference, though, comes in that these disasters have had recovery periods and help from others. Even Haiti received some help and conditions remain putrid over there.

After a TRUE SHTF, it is presumable that government help and others coming to the aid of those in need WON’T happen for long periods of time. During that time those that have chosen to not put food, water, and necessities away are going to be in life threatening positions. Most people just don’t get that when the supermarket shelves are empty they will stay that way for an extended period. When the utilities go down, especially water, it may be weeks, months, or longer before they come back, if ever. Without what someone needs to survive each day, it is not going to magically appear, and depending on the goodwill of others to feed them and sacrifice their own family’s survival chances is a terrible choice.

People MUST know what life will be like after SHTF in mega fashion if they refuse to prepare. This is NOT new. Terrible events have plunged people into the deepest levels of desperation and hopelessness, and they will happen again and again.

While the above consequences to the non-prepper are extremely abysmal for anyone to read, the simple fact of the matter is they have already happened time and time again to those that have nothing put away. People have resorted to cannibalism and gone to levels of primitive savage behavior out of shear desperation and out of literally losing their minds to the physical depletion of food and water that keeps the physical body operating. Sometimes showing the extreme severity and results of a person’s lack of action, such as failure of the simple act of putting away extra food, water, and supplies, can be the kick in the complacency that they need.

It’s really easy to put away food and supplies. All one has to do is add a little bit of extra food to the grocery cart for long-term storage. Over time this adds up to a well stocked pantry of supplies.

There is something that is in a can of food that everyone can eat and enjoy the taste of, so talk to family members about their nutritional preferences and start stocking up. Toilet paper and other supplies that really don’t have any expiration date can be put away and forgotten about ’til needed.

There MUST be common sense and intelligence to see what happens IF they don’t stock up for the future. There has to be the DESIRE to get started, and this is the real problem with so many.

Once started, however, prepping becomes a type of life saving routine or positive lifestyle habit. It is easy and can and will save one from misery. It may save their life and the lives of their family from ruin when SHTF, which is almost inevitably going to happen someday. Every month and year that goes by without a true SHTF event, makes it more likely that it will happen. Basic statistical chance shows this to be the case, but people continue the same pattern of behavior that has led them to the same devastation countless time before.

For those preppers that have people around them that refuse to prepare, you can at least have some degree of solace knowing that you tried to show the non-prepping person(s) what not having anything will mean to them and their families.

All we can do is try. Once we’ve given it our best shot, all we can do is let those who have been warned about the direness of the possibilities live their lives the way that want to. They will, unfortunately, live in a world of regret and suffering if the nation and the world falls apart around them.

To every action there is an opposite equal reaction. Preppers will see their efforts have been more than worth it. Objects that are motionless tend to remain motionless and non-preppers will find there are horrific consequences for their lack of effort and motion to put away “life insurance” preps for themselves and their families.


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To: Fee

In my corner of the country there are little towns every 5 or 10 miles in every direction and they’re all interconnected through family and friendly ties. I grew up 30 miles from here and have ties in the 5 little towns in between plus other little towns spread across about 3 counties.


101 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: stanne

Get yourself a 357 mag revolver (4 to 6 in barrel) instead. Can shoot 38 spec as well as 357 magnum bullets. You can also get a lever action rifle that can shoot the same ammo. Rifle and pistol with no logistics of mags. That would be my poor man’s rifle/pistol for SHTF scenario. Taurus sells low cost/reliable revolvers and Marlin sells reliable lever action rifles.


102 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I was looking to buy a small generator and when I did I noticed that it burned through 7 gallons of gas every 24 hours!.

Ration its' use, you don't run it 24/7, forget about air conditioning, use only when absolutely necessary.
Been there done that.
Can push my small one (6.5KW, 10HP)probably over a month with just 50 gallons of gasoline if I needed too.
See post #81 also.

103 posted on 05/12/2012 4:29:26 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: blam
...no-one is hoping for bad things to happen.

Are you kidding? There's a very noticable apocalyptic streak in the prepper movement. It's not all of you, but it's a lot of you.

104 posted on 05/12/2012 4:30:07 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I have a gas generator that was purchased after Frederic in 1979...it still runs great. I just run it in spurts not all the time.
I'm going to buy a very small generator just to run a fan for sleeping at night. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $89.00 right now.
105 posted on 05/12/2012 4:30:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: reformedliberal
Dried beans only have a two year shelf life

I've eaten dried beans that were over 10 years old without any problem. And so did the hundreds of airmen that I fed them to.

If you don't have water and fuel, you are fundamentally screwed anyway. Man that can't make a fire, even in Arizona, isn't much of a man.

Cooked beans can be crushed, spread out, and sun dried to preserve them. To prepare them after drying, simply rehydrate them. I've done that, in the wilderness.

/johnny

106 posted on 05/12/2012 4:31:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

“How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?”
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I am still somewhat skeptical of the Prepper movements.
For one, the nature and magnitude of civil disruptions are so far ranging.
Living in a city like Chicago is one thing, living in the Smokey or Rocky Mountains is entirely different.

The area of coverage is another factor.
If their is a neighborhood riot, as in Watts, one can flee.
If it is an area-wide event, such as an ice storm, having a two week supply of food, water and heat would be most desirable.

As for guns and ammo, it is nice to have a gun and some ammo
in case of a single incident home invasion, but stocking up
for a long term siege seems somewhat pointless.
If one is living in an area of dense population, and high percentage of minorities, you should see enough signs to know when to get the hell out of Dodge.
If SHTF, you will be likely overwhelmed no matter how much ammo you have.
One Molotov or mob size group will finish you off anyway.

I had a friend that had an underground bunker built and stocked it with huge quantities of prepper food and supplies.
I guess within five to ten years, all of his stores expired, and his mental health failed to a point where he had to be put in a rest home.
Yes, I know that there are new prepper foods that have a
very long shelf life, but what if the situation warrants
that you flee at a moments notice?

While some do not have much choice but to live in a big city, it would be prudent to move to a low density area.
I left Memphis for the country, 50 miles away, in 1980.
I left the USA for good in 2005.

Since 2009, I have been living on a beach in a temperate climate.
Natural food is plentiful year round.
If conditions warrant a change of environment, I have mountains up to 3000 feet, with low density population that is less then a few miles inland.

Just remember, there is no “one size fits all” when it comes to doomsday preparations.


107 posted on 05/12/2012 4:32:28 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: reformedliberal

shelf life is a hoax in most instances.

Dry beans will last for years and years and years. Vaccuum sealed.


108 posted on 05/12/2012 4:32:43 PM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: Salgak
Books. Or a fully-stuffed E-reader, with several SD-Cards full of OTHER books. And at least 2 solar chargers for the Ebooks. . . .

I have that. Google Books has a bunch of old books available either in PDF or E-Pub format for free download. Lots of good info there.

/johnny

109 posted on 05/12/2012 4:34:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick; Admin Moderator
"Are you kidding? There's a very noticable apocalyptic streak in the prepper movement. It's not all of you, but it's a lot of you. "

I told you to go away.

No-one likes your accusations and name calling.

You people....

All of you...

Just who the hell do you think you are addressing fellow FReepers in this tone?

You've got problems yourself that you need to work on insted of 'fixing' all 'us people.'

Beat it.

110 posted on 05/12/2012 4:36:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: Freddd

I actually bought some sutures off of ebay and I managed to get some lidocaine, we deal with animals and I’m pretty sure we could take care of basic medical care.

Way before anyone in the medical community used super glue to suture wounds I was using it on my boys who have a skin condition where their hands crack and won’t heal, a little super glue to stick it back together and the pain is gone and the healing begins.


111 posted on 05/12/2012 4:36:49 PM PDT by tiki
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To: goodwithagun
Find a local mentor. I can write something, but it doesn't mean anything until you get some hands-on help. Go to your local artesianal baker, buy some of his bread, make friends with him, and get him to help you. Beer will help with that part, generally. Most cooks are natural teachers.

/johnny

112 posted on 05/12/2012 4:37:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: stanne

http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=brand&gclid=CKCJnMX1-68CFQcEnQodOX45TQ
I got spare mags from cheaper than dirt they have lots of other goodies too


113 posted on 05/12/2012 4:39:09 PM PDT by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: Iron Munro

Your link goes to fish antibiotics. Are these safe for humans too?

I asked the question on another thread about the shelf life of insulin. Nobody seems to know. I know it has to be refrigerated and there are ways to keep it refrigerated but how does one stock up on it. This is a prescription drug and I doubt that you can get a 6 month supply from a doctor and would it even be good for that long even if it were refrigerated?


114 posted on 05/12/2012 4:39:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: KittenClaws
I’m expecting plenty of culinary disasters in a survival situation.

Everything tastes better with a can of tomatoes or pineapple mixed in. The sweetness and acid cut through fattiness, slight rancidity, utter blandness, toughness or bitterness.

115 posted on 05/12/2012 4:40:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: blam

Just who the hell do you think you are addressing fellow FReepers in this tone?

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I agree blam. If you don’t like the show, turn off the channel.


116 posted on 05/12/2012 4:40:54 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As storms were headed our way this week, I did what I usually do - do the laundry and the dishes, get dinner in the oven early and fill pitchers and buckets with water just in case the electricity goes off. Sad to say, most people won’t even prep for a few hours of no power. During one of our big floods, the neighborhood got together and even the old timers were clueless. They were shocked that I had the sense to figure out that we were going to flood and to do some common sense preps. Like, duh, they couldn’t put 2 + 2 together after the local news said the waters were coming??? One can only imagine if it were a prolonged major emergency.


117 posted on 05/12/2012 4:41:14 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Freddd; reformedliberal
It is true that most shelf life numbers are pure garbage. Most work out to be a 'best if used before' date.

That said, if beans get older than 2 years, it does take some extra time and effort to make a great meal out of them.

/johnny

118 posted on 05/12/2012 4:43:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks.

4-person 9-month Emergency Food Storage with Goal Zero® 150 Escape Power Kit
36 - 1 Month Chef’s Banquet ARK Buckets 11,880 Total Servings

$3,199.99
After $400 OFF

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11760716


119 posted on 05/12/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: blam

Learn to eat more simply and SHORTEN THE SHOPPING LIST. If you get in some cash, be sure to make it several SMALL bills that would more likely accommodate getting change back if the cash registers go down - ones, fives, tens, and some nickels, dimes, quarters, but don’t go overboard.

We live in the sticks and have a well; we’re used to the water, and it’s actually okay - it’s a bit sulfur, heavy iron content - am thankful for it. Husband fixed a manual well bucket of sorts. We stored some fairly simple stuff. You don’t have to have the gourmet things that we’ve been spoiled to.

When I was a kid, we had a well and an outdoor toilet. Used the Sears & Roebuck catalog for toilet paper. Ate white beans and potatoes and cornbread, and beans, potatoes and cornbread the next. The chickens produced eggs, but in an emergency situation, feeding chickens might be a hardship. Some powdered eggs would have to suffice. We had a bit of country sausage and bacon, also cornflakes with a bit of milk from grandmother’s cow.

Simplify, simplify, and then, simplify simplification!


120 posted on 05/12/2012 4:44:42 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Albion Wilde

Got the pineapple!

I love the stuff.

Have also olive oil, peanut oil, corn syrup, molasses and honey!

I think canned fruits, jellies and jams will lift spirits during hard times. Surely you agreee?


121 posted on 05/12/2012 4:45:56 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: yarddog
The main problem I would have here is heat during the Summer. I have plenty of water around me

Take a swim.

122 posted on 05/12/2012 4:47:49 PM PDT by bgill
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To: KittenClaws; blam; Kartographer

” I agree blam. If you don’t like the show, turn off the channel. “

There are a half-dozen or so of these ‘children’ (chronoligical age irrelevant) who apparently have no life beyond haunting ‘prepper’ threads and wasting time, bandwidth, and patience spewing their garbage...

I guess it makes ‘em feel ‘big’ somehow....

I think Kartographer has managed to purge most of them from his ‘prepper’ ping list, but they manage to search us out anyway...


123 posted on 05/12/2012 4:51:28 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: blam

Bookmark for later.


124 posted on 05/12/2012 4:52:58 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: tiki
I agree with you about reorganizing, repurposing, making do and people helping people, we are Americans and we know how to survive and will do fine but it won’t hurt that there are people out there who won’t need help.

I can't disagree with any of this. Being prepared is good when it's about being responsible for yourself and as part of being responsible for your community. It's bad when it's about hoping for doom and humiliation for everyone else.

125 posted on 05/12/2012 4:53:08 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: blam

Bookmark for later.


126 posted on 05/12/2012 4:53:18 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: stanne

Okay, the 9mm mag is pretty easy to find. If you’re in a state where they have gun shows, suggest you “google” the gun show dates/times/places near you. For example: “Florida gun and knife show”...if you life in Florida. You’ll find that many states have two or three different named shows that move around the state from weekend to weekend. You won’t have any trouble finding (or filling) mags at a show.

There are a lot of “prepper lists” available that you can find by “googling” for them. I’d suggest you start.


127 posted on 05/12/2012 4:55:52 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: KittenClaws
I think canned fruits, jellies and jams will lift spirits during hard times. Surely you agreee?

Mmmmm...I do agree! In fact, I will be jonesing for coffee and chocolate if the SHTF. As for your list, just be sure to keep your oils as cool as possible -- in a dark basement or wherever. They can turn rancid even before you smell it, and then they destroy vitamin E in your body.

128 posted on 05/12/2012 4:55:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: KittenClaws
Canned fruits, jellies and jams will lift the spirits. In more ways than one. Sugar gives that little blood-sugar kick that can help when things are harsh.

Of course, spirits can also lift the spirits, if you imbibe and know how to produce it. ;)

/johnny

129 posted on 05/12/2012 4:56:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

I’m thinking biker gang types will make it.


130 posted on 05/12/2012 4:56:14 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Ronald_Magnus; Kartographer; ChocChipCookie
"I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks."

Kartographer or ChocChipCookie would probably have the best advice. I pinged them to this thread.

131 posted on 05/12/2012 4:57:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Oh, are prepper threads like religious threads where no criticism is allowed?


132 posted on 05/12/2012 4:59:17 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Ronald_Magnus

My opinion is, don’t buy it unless you are willing to eat it up slowly over the next couple of years.

In other words, I think it’s wiser to buy foods that you’d eat anyway. Cans of corn, cans of pineapple, cans of tuna, for example, all get eaten up pretty quickly here. Same with rice and flour and canned milk.

So I’d stock up on those and similar items. Then, eat a bit of it each week, and replenish from behind.

Otherwise, you are out $4,000 for that 9 month kit that contains a bunch of food no one in your family wants to eat unless a major disaster occurs. That, it seems to me, is a huge waste of money.


133 posted on 05/12/2012 5:01:14 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Just another Joe
I've been thinking of using canna leaves for tp in an emergency. Check this out:

The canna rhizome is rich in starch, and it has many uses in agriculture. All of the plant has commercial value, rhizomes for starch (consumption by humans and livestock), stems and foliage for animal fodder, young shoots as a vegetable and young seeds as an addition to tortillas. The seeds are used as beads in jewelry.[12] The seeds are used as the mobile elements of the kayamb, a musical instrument from Réunion, as well as the hosho, a gourd rattle from Zimbabwe, where the seeds are known as "hota" seeds. In more remote regions of India, cannas are fermented to produce alcohol.[13] The plant yields a fibre—from the stem—it is used as a jute substitute.[14] A fibre obtained from the leaves is used for making paper. The leaves are harvested in late summer after the plant has flowered, they are scraped to remove the outer skin and are then soaked in water for 2 hours prior to cooking. The fibres are cooked for 24 hours with lye and then beaten in a blender. They make a light tan brown paper.[14] A purple dye is obtained from the seed.[14] Smoke from the burning leaves is said to be insecticidal.[14] Cannas are used to extract many undesirable pollutants in a wetland environment as they have a high tolerance to contaminants.[15][16] In Thailand, Cannas are a traditional gift for Father's Day. In Vietnam, canna is called dong riềng and its starch is used to make cellophane noodles known as miến dong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canna_(plant)

134 posted on 05/12/2012 5:01:24 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Yardstick
It's bad when it's about hoping for doom and humiliation for everyone else.

Where has there been any of that on this thread?

If you don't have something constructive to add to the thread, why bother? Go elsewhere.

/johnny

135 posted on 05/12/2012 5:02:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: WKUHilltopper
I’m thinking biker gang types will make it.

Right up until I cook a meal for them. ;)

/johnny

136 posted on 05/12/2012 5:03:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tbw2

If you can “pour” it into a sewer, you can pour it into a toilet.

A toilet can be “flushed” with a bucket of water.


137 posted on 05/12/2012 5:03:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1raider1
Simple answer: There are a lot more NP than you. They will eventually overwhelm any defense you have.

You remind me of a saying that my wonderful grandfather used to favor..."Can't never could do nothing!"

The prepper has TONS of factors that may be on his/her side against the biggest groups. And, a serious prepper never expects a certain outcome - they're just working to bring the risk to an acceptable level.

To the prepper, leaving one's head on the chopping block is just not an acceptable level of risk; and to the religious prepper "God helps them who help themselves".

138 posted on 05/12/2012 5:03:42 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Organizational prepping (like at a church level) is, I’d think, better than so many loner efforts.

I've often thought that a church is one of the best opportunities for prepping.

139 posted on 05/12/2012 5:05:39 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: buffaloguy

Until some moron decides to set the refineries on fire.


140 posted on 05/12/2012 5:06:11 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Uncle Ike
"There are a half-dozen or so of these ‘children’ (chronoligical age irrelevant) who apparently have no life beyond haunting ‘prepper’ threads and wasting time, bandwidth, and patience spewing their garbage..."

I do have to chuckle though when the stupid show up to set me straight.

I'm off for a card game with friends now. Later.

141 posted on 05/12/2012 5:06:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I have not gone crazy with the prepper stuff, but I do have emergency supplies on hand. No one can prepare for every possible scenario that might happen. Having survival skills, the ability to hunt for food, protect your family, and acquire the resources required for survival, you will do fine.

I am most concerned about November when Obama gets voted out. I am predicting mass riots, and all out war on white people. I have been stocking up on ammo, and sharpening my firearms skills.

Someone mentioned TP in an earlier post, "Why TP?" Why not? If I am going to be holed up in the house for extended time, my girls are going to want TP. It is a luxury item, that will not spoil.

142 posted on 05/12/2012 5:07:34 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

“I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks.”
_____________________________________________

$3200 for 9 months might be OK, but most likely ONLY in a very limited situation, like being stranded on a mountain
or island.
In case of civil disruption, however, it would be unlikely that you would get to use it, unless you have a private army to protect you.


143 posted on 05/12/2012 5:09:24 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: yarddog

I’ve run an AC for two weeks on a generator, but if it’s a real SHTF just get used to the heat. AC is not a necessity.


144 posted on 05/12/2012 5:10:42 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: AlexW
like being stranded on a mountain or island.

Or after the stock market crash of 2008. I survived on stored food for quite a while after that.

/johnny

145 posted on 05/12/2012 5:13:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
already existing communities and associations step up and mobilize to make sure needs are met.

Yes, existing communities in ghettos will definitely step up and mobilize to make sure THEIR needs are met - at your expense. How do you think those gangbangers are going to act? They will see the SHTF situation as a blank check for unlimited burglary and murder. Humans have the instinct of domination and aggression, not of cooperation (that would be ants.)

The police will disappear almost instantly. Police officers have their own families to protect - and they understand that after TSHTF their own life in the street will be very short. Police does not have overwhelming numbers. Police wins against criminals today only because police can quickly summon tens of officers to a single crime scene. If there are 100 crimes committed at the same time in the same town the police will be unable to respond to all crime scenes. But if you encounter a group of LEOs after TSHTF they will be more dangerous than a street gang.

146 posted on 05/12/2012 5:15:38 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Marcella

bookmark


147 posted on 05/12/2012 5:16:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: DYngbld

“Someone mentioned TP in an earlier post, “Why TP?” Why not?”
__________________________________________

Here in the Philippines, toilet paper is not widely used, except by expats and tourist.
The Filipinos use water, and if you think about it, it can be much cleaner.


148 posted on 05/12/2012 5:16:38 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: stanne
Anyway, any advise on a stove and/or water purification system?

Regarding water purification, I think the most important (and cheapest) thing you can do is to acquire and store a few pounds of calcium hypochlorite. Along with storing it properly and saving hardcopy instructions for using it to make bleach, and using that bleach to purify water.

The "Big Berkey" water filters have the best reputation, however you should still test them by filtering some water that is dyed with food coloring. I also think the Ceragrav filters are a very good, lower cost alternative. Finally, the Katadyne filters have some excellent characteristics.

If you do the math, however, the Berkey filters process the most water for the lowest number of dollars.

These guys ( http://www.zenwateronline.com/water-filtration.php ) also look promising for a more limited budget.

149 posted on 05/12/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: JRandomFreeper
Where has there been any of that on this thread?

Did you not read the original post? The whole middle section listing the horrors those people, the "NPs", will suffer because of their trifling ways when the SHTF is like something out of Dante. It positively revels in their suffering.

150 posted on 05/12/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by Yardstick
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