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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-12-2012 | Be Informed

Posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by blam

How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?

Be Informed
May 12th, 2012

This article has been made available by regular SHTF Plan contributor Be Informed.

Editor’s Note: You have no doubt had your own set of issues dealing with friends and family members that simply don’t see the writing on the wall. The following article may serve to assist you in convincing those who simply don’t know, don’t want to know, don’t care, or have never even thought to contemplate. Some of the scenarios outlined below may be frightening, as they should be, because when it hits the fan millions of people will be thrown into desperation with no hope of a solution. Be Informed provides a variety of point-by-point details that may (and hopefully will) convince the non-prepared individual to at least insulate themselves with the basic necessities. The consequences for not doing so, as you’ll see, are severe and often deadly.


I have become personally so disenchanted with the way people fail to prep. People still don’t understand how important it is to put away. I have gotten into arguments over this and had cretins call me a fool because I put away food, water, and supplies. I thought about this and the frustration that other preppers have with this laid back idiotic attitude that there is no need for preparation. There are good people that just can’t/won’t start preparing. They have the money to do so, but just don’t want to. Many have only seen what happens to non-preppers on TV, but it still doesn’t make an impact.

In this article I detail some hard core realities to show just how awful it will be for those that don’t prep. Every one of these scenarios is something that has occurred to the non-prepper throughout history. While strong images come to mind, the purpose is to jar some people out of their inaction and into action before it is too late.

Preppers are good people and care much about those around them, and unless something does jar those around them that choose not to prep, their own survival chances could be reduced. For every bit of food, water, ammunition, or supplies you sacrifice to the non-prepper, the fewer irreplaceable supplies are left for you and your family in a crisis situation. It is hoped that the following can help certain people put into TRUE perspective just how horrific it will be for those that don’t prepare.

Here are the awful consequences for those refusing to prep.

As the world continues to decay at multiple facets, the common person has and continues to be lulled into a sense that everything is improving and will continue to for the distant future. After all, to them unemployment has peaked out and will drop until everyone that wants to work will easily be able to find good paying work, North Korea is no threat because all their long range “bottle rockets” fizz out, sanctions will eventually make Iran give up their nuclear program, oil prices will start going down after June or so, Europe will bail out Greece and Spain and everyone else, and U.S. debt will eventually come under control.

After 2012 everyone that has prepared themselves will go back to more “sensible” lives. “Good times are coming”, baseball season is here, let’s get back to watching some more crackerjack news.

It is amazing how people become good conversationalists with most others discussing all the gossip related news, while becoming mentally tranquilized into a totally deceptive state of denial of truly dangerous issues of the times. It’s the blind leading the blind… right off the cliff.

Rather than dealing with harsh reality, people surround themsleves with easy to digest material that can be talked about without directly influencing anyone’s lives. Meaningless chatter. Even for those unwilling to even think to prepare for a societal catastrophic event, there is also no desire to even face the extreme possibility of a sudden loss of one’s employment. A personal SHTF.

Look at some of the terrible personal pain experienced in America right now – and it hasn’t even hit the fan on a grand scale. Those people who have lived it up on credit, who failed to put much of anything away for a rainy day, who’ve lost their job, and who eventually lost their unemployment benefits are experiencing the first level of collapse. This is happening to millions of people in our own country, all around us, as we speak.

These Americans, who once enjoyed the luxuries that modern living had to offer, are now at their wits end, with very little hope for a return to their previous lives. They are no longer able to pay most or any of their bills. Many have to humiliatingly turn to others for help to pay for food, or worse, to obtain old, unhealthy and poor tasting food from locally funded food banks. Their credit cards are totally worthless. Many have been evicted from their homes and have uprooted their families to live either on the street, in tent cities, with relatives, or have been forced to live at homeless shelters, They’ve have had their vehicles repossessed, or simply can’t afford the gasoline anymore. Their living conditions often make it difficult, if not impossible, to look presentable for job interviews. For many, the life of stability they knew just a short while ago is gone, replaced with fear and a constant stress to the point of nervous breakdown.

A personal economic meltdown is confined to the individual or family, or at worst a few families. The human civilization remains intact and so do society’s safety nets.

With food assistance, rental assistance, homesless shelters, and family to turn to, even the most destitute are almost always able to find some sort of help – however menial.

It is no wonder with these known assistance programs, then, that people have forgotten or never thought to consider what happens IF and WHEN human civilization goes through a strong enough SHTF event. If that happens on a mass scale what happens to everyone that needs help that has not prepared ahead of time? What happens when governments are in such total disarray or destroyed altogether that they can’t help even if they wanted to?

The media and others have portrayed the good people that sacrifice much if not all “luxuries” of life to prepare themselves and their family and friends for extreme times, as chicken littles. Those who have made the choice to store up emergency food, water, and other necessities to avoid extreme life threatening risks, including suffering horribly during and after a widespread SHTF event, are laughed at and ridiculed often for “wasting” their lives on delusional paranoia.

But who is delusional? Those who see the signs around them and understand how vulnerable the system is, or those who believe that things never change, that politicians have their best interests at heart, and that if the worst happens the government will be there to provide everything they may need?

How many have considered the dire consequences of their failure to prepare in the event that the infrastructure and everything a country’s people depend on totally collapses?

The misery from long term unemployment and lack of money is like a walk in the park compared to the severe anguish and dangerous conditions that await those who have failed to prepare for the aftermath of a large scale cataclysm. The “minor” problems of unemployment that seem extremely major and painful to most today should serve as a wake up call to what life will be like when something much, much worse happens – when those proverbial safety nets are no longer there to catch us.

Many preppers have become deeply frustrated at those around them, especially those that truly mean something to them, because they simply refuse to put away anything at all for emergencies. The prepper is usually a person that cares a lot and it is often difficult for them to take a tough stance towards the people that they care about. However, unless someone changes the habits of those people that fail to get ready, decisions will need to be made, and they won’t be easy.

The choice of what the prepared prepper should do will boil down to either either adding these people to their own circle or survival group and reduce the group’s safety, supplies and self sufficiency, OR, they will have to let the non-prepper fend for themselves. This is a very personal choice, and each of us will need to decide based on our own morals, ethics and personal relationships.

As a last ditch effort, discussing the following scenarios with the non-prepper may help them understand what life will be like without what has sustained them so comfortably for so long.

This is the hard reality the non prepper needs to understand:

* Without power the water company cannot get water to their faucets. Without water dehydration occurs within 24 hours. Dehydration causes much suffering before death.

* Toilets in homes, unless they have an incineration toilet that still need power to work, don’t flush without water. Where will they go to the bathroom and then where will they dispose of human waste?

* There will be no clean water available anywhere, especially in major cities, and they cannot live more than about three days without it.

* Drinking dirty and polluted water will make them incredibly sick and accelerate the dehydration process.

* Polluted water must be purified and that means having a good filter, bleach or other disinfectant, or fuel and something to boil water with.

* Understand just how fragile the power and the infrastructure is that pumps water to the public. A breakdown in our power infrastructure or a cyber attack against utility systems will render them useless.

* A single event can rapidly lead to a cascade of other events that would certainly collapse almost, if not, everything. This is why major snow storms, hurricanes or solar events in the past have affected millions of people in an entire region all at once.

* A single, seemingly unimportant event may become quite terrible as its repercussions spread; this can include a far and away disaster.

* Understand that the economies of the world are so interwoven that when one major economy falls it affects everyone.

* Not having any food in the house means that if the stores are emptied suddenly in a bad enough situation that there will be no food available for a long period of time afterward. Recent history during disasters around the world has shown that stores can literally be emptied in minutes.

* Think about how totally horrible the feeling of being very hungry is and what circumstances would cause one to be desperate enough to eat anything.

* ALL stores can be closed instantly under martial law.

* Understand that you may not be able to purchase anything after it starts, especially with any credit cards.

* Understand the complexity of food and water distribution; breaks in these chains can stop anything from getting to the people.

* What life will be like if no toilet paper is stored? Understand that without light sources, the night will be pitch black, often with zero visibility.

* There will be no communications, other than probably martial law type of instructions over the radio, that is if they have batteries for the radio.

* Other than ham and shortwave radio, any information that is available will be sent out by the government as filtered propaganda that “they” want everyone to hear.

* Without power consider what it will be like to not have any heat to stay warm, or air conditioned air to stay cooler – with no way of alleviating the situation.

* Travelling will likely be by foot or bicycle, as there will be no fuel and roadways may be blocked.

* Realize that ANY travel outside of the home or neighborhood will be extremely dangerous as ANYONE who moves becomes a target

* Non preppers will be pushed way beyond their limit because of lack of supplies.

* The non prepper must realize their government does not really care about them individually, that they are a mere number and help will likely not come from them.

* They have to figure out somewhere to get food. This can mean wild plants which they must know how to identify as safe, or risk poisoning themselves.

* They have to understand that when we refer to “having no food” it doesn’t mean not having the food they are used to enjoying, it means no food to eat at all.

* They have to understand that if they are fortunate enough to have any running water, they will probably have to bathe in cold water for lack of stored fuel to heat water.

* They have to realize that the very strange and totally unexpected is going to be all around them, made that much worse because of lack of any reliable self defense stores or skills.

* They might have to remain on the run constantly because of looking for water and food.

* They must understand that bad will be magnified magnitudes to living misery because of lack of food, water, and other necessary items that they took for granted for so long.

Okay, now comes the “truly ugly and unthinkable” life that most, if not all, people that have failed and refused to prepare themselves will deal with. Clear vivid visualization is key here for anyone that ho hums the idea of prepping.

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

* The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

* The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

* The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

* The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

* The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

* The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.

* The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.

* The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly, because they have neglected putting away anything to make life more bearable.

* The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper. Imagine the smell for a moment.

* The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amoungst the filth that will pile up. No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.

The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.

* The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries. Didn’t even stock up on disinfectives. Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.

* The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.

* The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that taste so bad it gags them and comes back up.

* The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared committing suicide because they can’t take it any longer.

* The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.

* The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.

* The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.

* The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.

* The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.

* The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.

* The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk, and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.

* The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.

* The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.

* The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics. Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.

* The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self defense, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.

* The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live. They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot. They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do, and get sick and suffer much before dying. The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”.

Almost every single person, even a very poor person, has the capacity to put away emergency food and supplies. Even homeless people have stashes of something just in case things become so bad that the normal hand outs and thrown-away items dry up. Many people with good sources of income don’t even have an extra can of food or any water put away at all. This is stupidity beyond words.

Every day lightweight disasters happen in all parts of the world that disturb services enough that people are confined to their homes for a certain amount of time. While recovery is short, people are still uncomfortable during these times. Look what happens after a power outage at night and you will be mystified at how many homes are completely dark for hours. People have not even bought an extra couple of candles or any battery operated light sources. Even in well-to-do neighborhoods you may hear only a lone generator going after a blackout. This lack of preparedness is truly frightening and plays itself out again, again, and again every time services are disrupted for minor to major reasons. It’s as if there is something wrong with storing extra food, water, and supplies.

Even after “lessons” played out to what happens to those non-prepared, most people still feel that it just cannot happen to them, or won’t ever happen to them again. It should be proof enough to people what happens to those unprepared after disasters simply by looking at those that have gone through it firsthand. The difference, though, comes in that these disasters have had recovery periods and help from others. Even Haiti received some help and conditions remain putrid over there.

After a TRUE SHTF, it is presumable that government help and others coming to the aid of those in need WON’T happen for long periods of time. During that time those that have chosen to not put food, water, and necessities away are going to be in life threatening positions. Most people just don’t get that when the supermarket shelves are empty they will stay that way for an extended period. When the utilities go down, especially water, it may be weeks, months, or longer before they come back, if ever. Without what someone needs to survive each day, it is not going to magically appear, and depending on the goodwill of others to feed them and sacrifice their own family’s survival chances is a terrible choice.

People MUST know what life will be like after SHTF in mega fashion if they refuse to prepare. This is NOT new. Terrible events have plunged people into the deepest levels of desperation and hopelessness, and they will happen again and again.

While the above consequences to the non-prepper are extremely abysmal for anyone to read, the simple fact of the matter is they have already happened time and time again to those that have nothing put away. People have resorted to cannibalism and gone to levels of primitive savage behavior out of shear desperation and out of literally losing their minds to the physical depletion of food and water that keeps the physical body operating. Sometimes showing the extreme severity and results of a person’s lack of action, such as failure of the simple act of putting away extra food, water, and supplies, can be the kick in the complacency that they need.

It’s really easy to put away food and supplies. All one has to do is add a little bit of extra food to the grocery cart for long-term storage. Over time this adds up to a well stocked pantry of supplies.

There is something that is in a can of food that everyone can eat and enjoy the taste of, so talk to family members about their nutritional preferences and start stocking up. Toilet paper and other supplies that really don’t have any expiration date can be put away and forgotten about ’til needed.

There MUST be common sense and intelligence to see what happens IF they don’t stock up for the future. There has to be the DESIRE to get started, and this is the real problem with so many.

Once started, however, prepping becomes a type of life saving routine or positive lifestyle habit. It is easy and can and will save one from misery. It may save their life and the lives of their family from ruin when SHTF, which is almost inevitably going to happen someday. Every month and year that goes by without a true SHTF event, makes it more likely that it will happen. Basic statistical chance shows this to be the case, but people continue the same pattern of behavior that has led them to the same devastation countless time before.

For those preppers that have people around them that refuse to prepare, you can at least have some degree of solace knowing that you tried to show the non-prepping person(s) what not having anything will mean to them and their families.

All we can do is try. Once we’ve given it our best shot, all we can do is let those who have been warned about the direness of the possibilities live their lives the way that want to. They will, unfortunately, live in a world of regret and suffering if the nation and the world falls apart around them.

To every action there is an opposite equal reaction. Preppers will see their efforts have been more than worth it. Objects that are motionless tend to remain motionless and non-preppers will find there are horrific consequences for their lack of effort and motion to put away “life insurance” preps for themselves and their families.

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To: JRandomFreeper

Good man, carry on.

201 posted on 05/12/2012 6:52:30 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: allmost

“If there were no ‘non preppers’ You would not have your supplies. Whiney bitches.”

You must be one of those habitual rock throwers on prep threads. Like I told you on another thread, it’s a choice. You choose to sit, we choose to prep. You do your thing, we do our thing. Simple.

You seem to be unhappy. Maybe a counselor would help you.

202 posted on 05/12/2012 6:54:39 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Yardstick
If push comes to shove, a community of tens of thousands can find a way to deal with 100 gangbangers.

If you can organize 10,000 people then you have it made. Even a 1,000 would be enough if your community is still the biggest fish in the pond.

A lone prepper, on the other hand, would be out of luck.

Yes, that is true. A lone wolf still can survive, but a lone wolf with kids and wife and things has not much of a chance in the long term. IMO, prepping gives you only few things, such as:

It is important to remember that the "larger community" has only what its members have. So if nobody preps then your whole 10,000 strong group will be hungry. Lack of supplies is a physical, material fact, and no organizing can grow a cow in a week. Those supplies have to come from somewhere. Perhaps there are hunters in your community and plenty of deer around the town; perhaps someone knows how to fish with a net and there are fishing boats available; but if not then you are still hungry, even if you have thousands of people at your command.

203 posted on 05/12/2012 6:54:50 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: KittenClaws

take the water you use to soften the beans overnight and drink it.

Same with water boiled to soften the beans.

or you could use the water for your rice. The great thing about rice and beans is they are chock full of H20 that you put into them so you will have a nearly full rate of return for digestion and absorption.

The food you should ignore if you can are any meats off the hoof. The require a tremendous amount of water to digest.

Best to stick to wings or fish. Easy to digest and require very little water for digestion.

In fact, fish requires only the water it contains for digestion.

204 posted on 05/12/2012 6:55:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
take the water you use to soften the beans overnight and drink it.

Don't do that. It contains the tri-saccharides and the breakdown products that WILL cause gastric distress.

You may lose more water from the screaming sh@ts than you gain from the liquid.

Distill it, and it would be ok.


205 posted on 05/12/2012 7:01:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I didn't read that in the article.

Well, I did, and I'm saying something about it. If you can't deal with that, you might be better off at a prepper forum where only the likeminded post. As far as I know, prepperism isn't part of the FR mission statement. It's not a community value here and is fair game for criticism, especially when it's associated with an obnoxious article like the one that was posted.

207 posted on 05/12/2012 7:02:55 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: goat granny
I use to keep a large aloe plant in my kitchen window. snap off a piece and the slimmy stuff within the plant is what is used for burns.

Amen. Every single kitchen I worked in while in the US, I took an aloe vera plant to donate to the kitchen. Military and commercial kitchens, both. Aloes love the fluorescent lights, and the cooks learn to love the plants.


208 posted on 05/12/2012 7:06:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If you live in a rural area, the Tractor supple store has all kinds of anti-biotics and pills for live stock....When I had the farm the refrigerator looked like something from the doctors office....for example: penicillin used on cattle and other live stock is the same as your doctor uses...You just need the sterile needles and the dosage goes by weight...sulfa in pill form is also available. A lot of city folks aren’t aware of this source for storage...each bottle has an expiration date, but in a pinch that just means it has lost some of its potency...usually a bottle of 100ml of penicillin is good for a couple of years under refrigeration... I ordered all my stuff from a vet catalog. Any one that raises livestock has such things on hand...I box of 100 needles and syrings are not that expensive from a vet catalogue.....
209 posted on 05/12/2012 7:08:23 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: KittenClaws

Canned broth is part of my preps. We have lots of water, but in a low-to-no-power situation, it will be either hand pumped or hauled. Aldis or Shurfine usually have plain chicken or beef broth for around 60 cents/can.

When I was researching Cowboy Beans recipes, they stated that the old cooks used to save all the coffee dregs to add to the boiling water for the beans. It does taste good and they were out West, so I assume they were also saving water.

210 posted on 05/12/2012 7:08:47 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Yardstick


211 posted on 05/12/2012 7:09:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

we use a vacuum sealer. anything that can be vacuum sealed, that’s what we do in fl

212 posted on 05/12/2012 7:10:44 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: JRandomFreeper history includes living in a shack in the woods on a mountain without power for over two years...

Ever written about that experience? I would think it would be highly interesting.

213 posted on 05/12/2012 7:12:09 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well played.

Nighty night!

214 posted on 05/12/2012 7:13:06 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: goat granny
My fridge use to be the same, back when I was dealing with a lot of critters. My vet was very good and made house calls to the city for our critters there, just like she did for our critters in pastures.

We once got a bill for 2 dogs, 2 catz and 47 assorted rabbits, bucks, mothers and babies for a house call.

It was about $50 and the dogs and catz all got shots and she gave me meds for a case of wry neck that had shown up in the rabbits.

Country vets are cool people.


215 posted on 05/12/2012 7:15:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: reformedliberal
Coffee is actually one of my 'secrets' for my BBQ sauce and for my beans. You can't actually taste the coffee, but it does add a depth of flavor to the liquid.


216 posted on 05/12/2012 7:17:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: OldPossum
Almost every day here on FR when I was living it on the old ATRW thread.

It ended badly during a blizzard.

But I retain the skill-sets.


217 posted on 05/12/2012 7:21:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

What I said was true. You seem to want to slur and slander.

218 posted on 05/12/2012 7:22:59 PM PDT by allmost
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To: KittenClaws; Yardstick

Kitten, think yard has an IQ problem. Even communication would be gone.

219 posted on 05/12/2012 7:23:38 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Iron Munro
much much cheaper.100 count.

220 posted on 05/12/2012 7:25:16 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: dontreadthis
That makes sense. I don't have the humidity problem where I am now, and darn sure didn't in the mountains of NM. My problems were more mice and other neighbors getting into my stored stuff.


221 posted on 05/12/2012 7:25:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

No communication. As you implied.

222 posted on 05/12/2012 7:26:12 PM PDT by allmost
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To: JRandomFreeper

One thing I found interesting (being a nurse) was that the vet never had to stick a dog more than once to hit a vein. I have seen nurse’s try 4 or 5 times to get a vein. Plus the dog has hair on their legs. Vets should give instructions to nurse’s on how to hit a vein the first time...LOL

223 posted on 05/12/2012 7:27:33 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: 1raider1

“Preppers are apocalyptics who believe there work will grant them an earthly salvation so they can spend their time looking down on the “lost souls” who will be wailing and gnashing their teeth in regret.”

Amazing you can read preppers’ minds. Actually, what anyone else does is their business - I’m just keeping myself alive and hopefully everyone else will stay alive.

224 posted on 05/12/2012 7:32:16 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella
Even communication would be gone.

Here, let me correct you. Electronic communication would be gone.

225 posted on 05/12/2012 7:35:59 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

I’ve seen some asinine comments in my lifetime (mostly usually coming from duh-uh leftists)....

but yours wins hands down for THE most asinine yet.


226 posted on 05/12/2012 7:39:59 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: stanne
- *parboiled* white rice has 80% of the nutrients of brown rice, but a much, much longer shelf life.
- canned tomatoes take up space but are fairly low in calories. Canned spaghetti sauce or chef boy-r-dee pasta is a better choice from a calorie perspective. Canned hearty stews, chili, hash, and chunky soups are also good choices.
- dried split peas & lentils cook with less fuel/power than other types of beans (+ you can sprout lentils). Baked beans are a good calorie source.
- choose rolled oats over quick oats, & add your own honey/molasses or brown sugar
- peroxide doesn't last long. But alcohol can disinfect, & be used as a cooking fuel. We used our camping alcohol stove a lot during a 5 day power outage last year. It's great to boil water quickly for noodles, tea & coffee, plus it's safe in the house, unlike a coleman stove.
- bleach does not last long, either. But pool shock (calcium hypocholrite) does, & can be mixed as needed to make bleach & disinfect water.
- candles, chemical glow sticks & solar lanterns/lights are also very handy. a hand crank/solar emergency radio is handy, too.
227 posted on 05/12/2012 7:43:19 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (All you have to do is the next right thing.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Had to go out and now am back.

THanks for this valuable info and that on the beans.

228 posted on 05/12/2012 7:55:01 PM PDT by stanne
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To: goat granny

Yep.  Have those as well. 


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229 posted on 05/12/2012 8:00:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: XenaLee
Have you read the article?

The writer is clearly looking forward to SHTF judgment day when the haughty/lazy NPs get their just rewards, either by dying well deserved deaths or by having to beg for scraps from the virtuous preppers' C ration stash.

Why don't you take off your blinders for a second and read the article and see if it doesn't creep you out some.

230 posted on 05/12/2012 8:05:24 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: JRandomFreeper

My friend, who passed away six months ago, recalled the 1918 flu like it was yesterday. She and 7 brothers and sisters lived in the same bedroom for months and could hear near daily the wailing as families lost loved ones.

When we buried her I went around looking at all the headstones from 1918.


231 posted on 05/12/2012 8:06:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: blam


232 posted on 05/12/2012 8:07:46 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: goat granny
Vet giving a horse a neck vein shot is pretty impressive, and don't blink, because you'll miss it.

I can give sub-q and IM ok on smaller critters, but on the big stuff? It's good to have someone with experience around.


233 posted on 05/12/2012 8:08:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hmmmm....guess you are right. Guess I’d wait til it cools to room temp and then run it through my lifsaver bottle.

234 posted on 05/12/2012 8:10:52 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Since I suggested this I think I’ll try it to see what the effects are. If it sucks as you say then I’ll know to run it through Lifesaver.

235 posted on 05/12/2012 8:13:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Lots of those folks died of dehydration from the screaming sh@ts.

Turns out that the World Health Organization docs maybe think a better way to treat dehydration (especially in babies) than just sugar water is to give them thin cereal gruel that they can drink.

I recently downloaded the latest "Where there is no doctor" for my e-book. Makes for interesting reading.


236 posted on 05/12/2012 8:17:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: prairiebreeze


237 posted on 05/12/2012 8:17:36 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: blam

Good deal! I can’t get one refilled for $15.

238 posted on 05/12/2012 8:19:20 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: XenaLee
Don't feed the troll.

It has no interest in positive contributions to the community represented by most of the thread. It wants to fight.

Just ignore it.


239 posted on 05/12/2012 8:20:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Donnafrflorida
much much cheaper.

Thanks for the tip and the link.

240 posted on 05/12/2012 8:24:30 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ll make sure to drink plenty of water for my experiment.

I’ll try it next Sunday. I don’t have anything else to do that day.

I have the PDF of Where there is no doctor. Haven’t read it yet but hey, I’ll start tonight.

241 posted on 05/12/2012 8:25:39 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Good luck. I've done it. Gastric distress. Have beano type enzymes nearby.


242 posted on 05/12/2012 8:26:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Vendome
Drink it Saturday morning. That way you can do what you need to Monday. If you have good support. Debilitating stomach cramps and diarrhea have turned more battles in history than big guns, right up until WWII.


243 posted on 05/12/2012 8:30:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper


thanks. I just went up stairs to make sure I have a good supply and I’m set.

244 posted on 05/12/2012 8:32:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That’s what I meant. I’m going to soak on Friday, drink and cook Saturday, probably get my insides kicked from the inside out but, I will be able to tell someone never try that.

245 posted on 05/12/2012 8:36:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: OldPossum

Is that you, Ted? Ted, Ted Kaczynski?

246 posted on 05/12/2012 8:39:07 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: tbw2
How do you properly dose humans with fish antibiotics? Do you give the same number of milliliters of fish antibiotics as you would an oral human dose?

Yes. They are the same as the ones you get from your local pharmacy - just different labels.

For dosages and other medical info get this free download:

"When There Is No Doctor"

Or purchase a used copy of "Prentice Hall Nurse's Drug Guide" for around $4.00

247 posted on 05/12/2012 8:41:00 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: JRandomFreeper

He does indeed have projection issues. Odd... that I usually only see that kind of projection BS coming from the idiot

“You have projection issues, and are imparting motives not available from the text.”

248 posted on 05/12/2012 8:53:43 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Yardstick; JRandomFreeper

“and it’s written by a guy who clearly delights in the prospect of the “NP” getting their just desserts.”

Yard, that is your interpretation. The writer does not say he “wants” the NP to suffer or die. It does not say he “delights” in NPs suffering or dying.

You are the one who “clearly delights” in attacking preppers.

249 posted on 05/12/2012 8:55:14 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Graybeard58
Your link goes to fish antibiotics. Are these safe for humans too?

Yes. See post 247.

Sorry - Can't help with your query about stocking up on insulin.
My first step would be to try speaking with the doctor and explain why I want to stock up. Might work.

250 posted on 05/12/2012 8:56:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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