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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-12-2012 | Be Informed

Posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by blam

How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?

Be Informed
May 12th, 2012

This article has been made available by regular SHTF Plan contributor Be Informed.

Editor’s Note: You have no doubt had your own set of issues dealing with friends and family members that simply don’t see the writing on the wall. The following article may serve to assist you in convincing those who simply don’t know, don’t want to know, don’t care, or have never even thought to contemplate. Some of the scenarios outlined below may be frightening, as they should be, because when it hits the fan millions of people will be thrown into desperation with no hope of a solution. Be Informed provides a variety of point-by-point details that may (and hopefully will) convince the non-prepared individual to at least insulate themselves with the basic necessities. The consequences for not doing so, as you’ll see, are severe and often deadly.


I have become personally so disenchanted with the way people fail to prep. People still don’t understand how important it is to put away. I have gotten into arguments over this and had cretins call me a fool because I put away food, water, and supplies. I thought about this and the frustration that other preppers have with this laid back idiotic attitude that there is no need for preparation. There are good people that just can’t/won’t start preparing. They have the money to do so, but just don’t want to. Many have only seen what happens to non-preppers on TV, but it still doesn’t make an impact.

In this article I detail some hard core realities to show just how awful it will be for those that don’t prep. Every one of these scenarios is something that has occurred to the non-prepper throughout history. While strong images come to mind, the purpose is to jar some people out of their inaction and into action before it is too late.

Preppers are good people and care much about those around them, and unless something does jar those around them that choose not to prep, their own survival chances could be reduced. For every bit of food, water, ammunition, or supplies you sacrifice to the non-prepper, the fewer irreplaceable supplies are left for you and your family in a crisis situation. It is hoped that the following can help certain people put into TRUE perspective just how horrific it will be for those that don’t prepare.

Here are the awful consequences for those refusing to prep.

As the world continues to decay at multiple facets, the common person has and continues to be lulled into a sense that everything is improving and will continue to for the distant future. After all, to them unemployment has peaked out and will drop until everyone that wants to work will easily be able to find good paying work, North Korea is no threat because all their long range “bottle rockets” fizz out, sanctions will eventually make Iran give up their nuclear program, oil prices will start going down after June or so, Europe will bail out Greece and Spain and everyone else, and U.S. debt will eventually come under control.

After 2012 everyone that has prepared themselves will go back to more “sensible” lives. “Good times are coming”, baseball season is here, let’s get back to watching some more crackerjack news.

It is amazing how people become good conversationalists with most others discussing all the gossip related news, while becoming mentally tranquilized into a totally deceptive state of denial of truly dangerous issues of the times. It’s the blind leading the blind… right off the cliff.

Rather than dealing with harsh reality, people surround themsleves with easy to digest material that can be talked about without directly influencing anyone’s lives. Meaningless chatter. Even for those unwilling to even think to prepare for a societal catastrophic event, there is also no desire to even face the extreme possibility of a sudden loss of one’s employment. A personal SHTF.

Look at some of the terrible personal pain experienced in America right now – and it hasn’t even hit the fan on a grand scale. Those people who have lived it up on credit, who failed to put much of anything away for a rainy day, who’ve lost their job, and who eventually lost their unemployment benefits are experiencing the first level of collapse. This is happening to millions of people in our own country, all around us, as we speak.

These Americans, who once enjoyed the luxuries that modern living had to offer, are now at their wits end, with very little hope for a return to their previous lives. They are no longer able to pay most or any of their bills. Many have to humiliatingly turn to others for help to pay for food, or worse, to obtain old, unhealthy and poor tasting food from locally funded food banks. Their credit cards are totally worthless. Many have been evicted from their homes and have uprooted their families to live either on the street, in tent cities, with relatives, or have been forced to live at homeless shelters, They’ve have had their vehicles repossessed, or simply can’t afford the gasoline anymore. Their living conditions often make it difficult, if not impossible, to look presentable for job interviews. For many, the life of stability they knew just a short while ago is gone, replaced with fear and a constant stress to the point of nervous breakdown.

A personal economic meltdown is confined to the individual or family, or at worst a few families. The human civilization remains intact and so do society’s safety nets.

With food assistance, rental assistance, homesless shelters, and family to turn to, even the most destitute are almost always able to find some sort of help – however menial.

It is no wonder with these known assistance programs, then, that people have forgotten or never thought to consider what happens IF and WHEN human civilization goes through a strong enough SHTF event. If that happens on a mass scale what happens to everyone that needs help that has not prepared ahead of time? What happens when governments are in such total disarray or destroyed altogether that they can’t help even if they wanted to?

The media and others have portrayed the good people that sacrifice much if not all “luxuries” of life to prepare themselves and their family and friends for extreme times, as chicken littles. Those who have made the choice to store up emergency food, water, and other necessities to avoid extreme life threatening risks, including suffering horribly during and after a widespread SHTF event, are laughed at and ridiculed often for “wasting” their lives on delusional paranoia.

But who is delusional? Those who see the signs around them and understand how vulnerable the system is, or those who believe that things never change, that politicians have their best interests at heart, and that if the worst happens the government will be there to provide everything they may need?

How many have considered the dire consequences of their failure to prepare in the event that the infrastructure and everything a country’s people depend on totally collapses?

The misery from long term unemployment and lack of money is like a walk in the park compared to the severe anguish and dangerous conditions that await those who have failed to prepare for the aftermath of a large scale cataclysm. The “minor” problems of unemployment that seem extremely major and painful to most today should serve as a wake up call to what life will be like when something much, much worse happens – when those proverbial safety nets are no longer there to catch us.

Many preppers have become deeply frustrated at those around them, especially those that truly mean something to them, because they simply refuse to put away anything at all for emergencies. The prepper is usually a person that cares a lot and it is often difficult for them to take a tough stance towards the people that they care about. However, unless someone changes the habits of those people that fail to get ready, decisions will need to be made, and they won’t be easy.

The choice of what the prepared prepper should do will boil down to either either adding these people to their own circle or survival group and reduce the group’s safety, supplies and self sufficiency, OR, they will have to let the non-prepper fend for themselves. This is a very personal choice, and each of us will need to decide based on our own morals, ethics and personal relationships.

As a last ditch effort, discussing the following scenarios with the non-prepper may help them understand what life will be like without what has sustained them so comfortably for so long.

This is the hard reality the non prepper needs to understand:

* Without power the water company cannot get water to their faucets. Without water dehydration occurs within 24 hours. Dehydration causes much suffering before death.

* Toilets in homes, unless they have an incineration toilet that still need power to work, don’t flush without water. Where will they go to the bathroom and then where will they dispose of human waste?

* There will be no clean water available anywhere, especially in major cities, and they cannot live more than about three days without it.

* Drinking dirty and polluted water will make them incredibly sick and accelerate the dehydration process.

* Polluted water must be purified and that means having a good filter, bleach or other disinfectant, or fuel and something to boil water with.

* Understand just how fragile the power and the infrastructure is that pumps water to the public. A breakdown in our power infrastructure or a cyber attack against utility systems will render them useless.

* A single event can rapidly lead to a cascade of other events that would certainly collapse almost, if not, everything. This is why major snow storms, hurricanes or solar events in the past have affected millions of people in an entire region all at once.

* A single, seemingly unimportant event may become quite terrible as its repercussions spread; this can include a far and away disaster.

* Understand that the economies of the world are so interwoven that when one major economy falls it affects everyone.

* Not having any food in the house means that if the stores are emptied suddenly in a bad enough situation that there will be no food available for a long period of time afterward. Recent history during disasters around the world has shown that stores can literally be emptied in minutes.

* Think about how totally horrible the feeling of being very hungry is and what circumstances would cause one to be desperate enough to eat anything.

* ALL stores can be closed instantly under martial law.

* Understand that you may not be able to purchase anything after it starts, especially with any credit cards.

* Understand the complexity of food and water distribution; breaks in these chains can stop anything from getting to the people.

* What life will be like if no toilet paper is stored? Understand that without light sources, the night will be pitch black, often with zero visibility.

* There will be no communications, other than probably martial law type of instructions over the radio, that is if they have batteries for the radio.

* Other than ham and shortwave radio, any information that is available will be sent out by the government as filtered propaganda that “they” want everyone to hear.

* Without power consider what it will be like to not have any heat to stay warm, or air conditioned air to stay cooler – with no way of alleviating the situation.

* Travelling will likely be by foot or bicycle, as there will be no fuel and roadways may be blocked.

* Realize that ANY travel outside of the home or neighborhood will be extremely dangerous as ANYONE who moves becomes a target

* Non preppers will be pushed way beyond their limit because of lack of supplies.

* The non prepper must realize their government does not really care about them individually, that they are a mere number and help will likely not come from them.

* They have to figure out somewhere to get food. This can mean wild plants which they must know how to identify as safe, or risk poisoning themselves.

* They have to understand that when we refer to “having no food” it doesn’t mean not having the food they are used to enjoying, it means no food to eat at all.

* They have to understand that if they are fortunate enough to have any running water, they will probably have to bathe in cold water for lack of stored fuel to heat water.

* They have to realize that the very strange and totally unexpected is going to be all around them, made that much worse because of lack of any reliable self defense stores or skills.

* They might have to remain on the run constantly because of looking for water and food.

* They must understand that bad will be magnified magnitudes to living misery because of lack of food, water, and other necessary items that they took for granted for so long.

Okay, now comes the “truly ugly and unthinkable” life that most, if not all, people that have failed and refused to prepare themselves will deal with. Clear vivid visualization is key here for anyone that ho hums the idea of prepping.

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

* The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

* The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

* The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

* The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

* The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

* The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.

* The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.

* The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly, because they have neglected putting away anything to make life more bearable.

* The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper. Imagine the smell for a moment.

* The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amoungst the filth that will pile up. No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.

The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.

* The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries. Didn’t even stock up on disinfectives. Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.

* The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.

* The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that taste so bad it gags them and comes back up.

* The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared committing suicide because they can’t take it any longer.

* The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.

* The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.

* The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.

* The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.

* The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.

* The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.

* The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk, and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.

* The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.

* The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.

* The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics. Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.

* The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self defense, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.

* The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live. They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot. They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do, and get sick and suffer much before dying. The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”.

Almost every single person, even a very poor person, has the capacity to put away emergency food and supplies. Even homeless people have stashes of something just in case things become so bad that the normal hand outs and thrown-away items dry up. Many people with good sources of income don’t even have an extra can of food or any water put away at all. This is stupidity beyond words.

Every day lightweight disasters happen in all parts of the world that disturb services enough that people are confined to their homes for a certain amount of time. While recovery is short, people are still uncomfortable during these times. Look what happens after a power outage at night and you will be mystified at how many homes are completely dark for hours. People have not even bought an extra couple of candles or any battery operated light sources. Even in well-to-do neighborhoods you may hear only a lone generator going after a blackout. This lack of preparedness is truly frightening and plays itself out again, again, and again every time services are disrupted for minor to major reasons. It’s as if there is something wrong with storing extra food, water, and supplies.

Even after “lessons” played out to what happens to those non-prepared, most people still feel that it just cannot happen to them, or won’t ever happen to them again. It should be proof enough to people what happens to those unprepared after disasters simply by looking at those that have gone through it firsthand. The difference, though, comes in that these disasters have had recovery periods and help from others. Even Haiti received some help and conditions remain putrid over there.

After a TRUE SHTF, it is presumable that government help and others coming to the aid of those in need WON’T happen for long periods of time. During that time those that have chosen to not put food, water, and necessities away are going to be in life threatening positions. Most people just don’t get that when the supermarket shelves are empty they will stay that way for an extended period. When the utilities go down, especially water, it may be weeks, months, or longer before they come back, if ever. Without what someone needs to survive each day, it is not going to magically appear, and depending on the goodwill of others to feed them and sacrifice their own family’s survival chances is a terrible choice.

People MUST know what life will be like after SHTF in mega fashion if they refuse to prepare. This is NOT new. Terrible events have plunged people into the deepest levels of desperation and hopelessness, and they will happen again and again.

While the above consequences to the non-prepper are extremely abysmal for anyone to read, the simple fact of the matter is they have already happened time and time again to those that have nothing put away. People have resorted to cannibalism and gone to levels of primitive savage behavior out of shear desperation and out of literally losing their minds to the physical depletion of food and water that keeps the physical body operating. Sometimes showing the extreme severity and results of a person’s lack of action, such as failure of the simple act of putting away extra food, water, and supplies, can be the kick in the complacency that they need.

It’s really easy to put away food and supplies. All one has to do is add a little bit of extra food to the grocery cart for long-term storage. Over time this adds up to a well stocked pantry of supplies.

There is something that is in a can of food that everyone can eat and enjoy the taste of, so talk to family members about their nutritional preferences and start stocking up. Toilet paper and other supplies that really don’t have any expiration date can be put away and forgotten about ’til needed.

There MUST be common sense and intelligence to see what happens IF they don’t stock up for the future. There has to be the DESIRE to get started, and this is the real problem with so many.

Once started, however, prepping becomes a type of life saving routine or positive lifestyle habit. It is easy and can and will save one from misery. It may save their life and the lives of their family from ruin when SHTF, which is almost inevitably going to happen someday. Every month and year that goes by without a true SHTF event, makes it more likely that it will happen. Basic statistical chance shows this to be the case, but people continue the same pattern of behavior that has led them to the same devastation countless time before.

For those preppers that have people around them that refuse to prepare, you can at least have some degree of solace knowing that you tried to show the non-prepping person(s) what not having anything will mean to them and their families.

All we can do is try. Once we’ve given it our best shot, all we can do is let those who have been warned about the direness of the possibilities live their lives the way that want to. They will, unfortunately, live in a world of regret and suffering if the nation and the world falls apart around them.

To every action there is an opposite equal reaction. Preppers will see their efforts have been more than worth it. Objects that are motionless tend to remain motionless and non-preppers will find there are horrific consequences for their lack of effort and motion to put away “life insurance” preps for themselves and their families.

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To: Vendome
I will be able to tell someone never try that.

Very likely you will. Some tiny percentage of folks don't have too much problem with it, but I was subcontracting for a major DOD contractor when I tried it.

While I was still enthroned, they put a 'Restroom Out of Order' sign on the door. At least I had privacy.

Very embarassing. The fact that I went heavy on the garlic didn't help anything.


251 posted on 05/12/2012 9:01:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: stanne
Anyway, any advise on a stove and/or water purification sysem?

How to Build a Very Effective Water Filter System for Approximately $75

How to Find Water and How to Make Water Safe to Drink

How to Survive Hard Times

252 posted on 05/12/2012 9:03:52 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Marcella; XenaLee
Some people feel like their world is attacked when weaknesses are pointed out.

I just don't find that arguing over whether prepping is appropriate or not is helpful. Especially when my preps have made such a positive influence in my life.

As I said before, my service calling is to feed people. I'll ignore those that want to tear down.

Crabs in a bucket, pulling the one down that's getting away. That's all they are.


253 posted on 05/12/2012 9:08:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I also use just a teaspoon or so of black cocoa powder in beans and chili, for the same reason, especially when I’ve used my homemade tomato sauce, which is just a little too bright tasting. It also is an amazing thickener, BTW. It darkens the sauce and a little goes a long way.

I think of it as the *mole school* of flavor blending.

254 posted on 05/12/2012 9:13:09 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: blam

Thanks for posting this.

255 posted on 05/12/2012 9:15:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Ronald_Magnus
I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks.

Before you make a purchase like that you might find it beneficial to read these:

A 30-Day Emergency Food Supply For One Adult

One-Year Emergency Food Supply For One Adult

256 posted on 05/12/2012 9:16:18 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Don’t feed the troll. Just ignore it.”

We need to do that every time one of them shows up. If they get no reaction, they will leave.

257 posted on 05/12/2012 9:16:52 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: reformedliberal
Mole is good. I lived in the mountains where tribal women grow the 'three sisters' corn, beans, and squash. And they taught me a lot about cooking, but I could never quite get their mole recipe. And I can't black-box it, either. I can get close, but not there.

Now, New Mexico roasted green chili gravy? I have that down, thanks to a toothless little old geriatric that was much more comfortable with me when I took my teeth out too.

Only problem was she didn't speak spanish or english, except a few words. I don't know what language she was speaking. But we communicated in the kitchen.

I got extra points because I can keep a wood cook stove at an even temp.


258 posted on 05/12/2012 9:20:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

Of course I read it. And I saw nothing of what you alleged in the “motivation” of the author. What I have seen is a lot of valuable information being shared in this thread, for which I am grateful.

Why the hell are you even bothering with this thread if you think the subject is so damned ridiculous or unlikely?

Like I said earlier, I have usually only seen that kind of projecting and criticism and snarky behavior coming from the idiot left. What’s your excuse?

259 posted on 05/12/2012 9:21:24 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: goat granny

My vet has to shave the Akita’s leg to get to the vein. This then becomes the dog’s hobby and he keeps it bald for a year by licking it constantly. None of the anti-lick compounds work, either.

I’m going to ask my vet about how he gets the vein on the first try. I’ve never seen a dog w/a hematoma from an IV. Never thought about it until you brought it up.

260 posted on 05/12/2012 9:21:35 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: JRandomFreeper

I usually don’t endulge in the troll-feeding exercise, but sometimes the annoyance factor is just too much to

261 posted on 05/12/2012 9:24:12 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: reformedliberal

Hmmm...I dunno. Coffee grounds in the beans. Doesn’t sound very appetizing, somehow.

262 posted on 05/12/2012 9:25:47 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee
Don't put in the coffee grounds. Put in the liquid.

It is very good.


263 posted on 05/12/2012 9:29:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper you strain the grounds and use the liquid. That sounds reasonable (and better).


264 posted on 05/12/2012 9:32:23 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: blam; Iron Munro; Sisku Hanne; Vendome; The Duke; RavenATB; scottteng; Fee; reformedliberal; ...

Had to go out an back.

Thanks all for the kind and necessary advice on on cooking, defense, medicine, power and water.

265 posted on 05/12/2012 9:36:00 PM PDT by stanne
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To: XenaLee
Hundreds of airmen have told me that my BBQ sauce was the best they ever tasted. Same with my beans.

Coffee is my secret ingredient when I can't get Tennessee whiskey for flavoring.

I'll go with the numbers. ;)


266 posted on 05/12/2012 9:37:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: reformedliberal

“I’m going to ask my vet about how he gets the vein on the first try.”

He needs to talk to the nurse who stuck my arm looking for a vein when I had my first eye cataract surgery a few months ago. She dug around with the needle looking for a vein (major hurt), then turned the arm over and stuck me on that side. When I finally got out of there, I had a huge hematoma on that first side. That blood traveled around and the arm looked like I was a druggie. Those were the worst sticks I have ever had and I am not squimish about needles. I would take your vet over that nurse any day.

267 posted on 05/12/2012 9:38:32 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: varina davis
Also would like to ask other preppers how to keep supplies in hot humid Florida. As it is, I always keep most dry and some other foods in the fridge.

1 - Foodsaver vacuum sealer

2 - Mylar bags and oxygen absorbers - Storing Food In Mylar Bags

3 - Rotate - eat the old, store the new

4 - Freeze pasta, flour, Rice, gravy mixes, etc. when you bring it home to kill bugs, bug eggs and larve.

5 - Inspect regularly. Watch for cans starting to rust, bulging cans, bug infestations, etc.

268 posted on 05/12/2012 9:41:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Yardstick
"When you post stuff like that on a big forum like this, you’re gonna get some criticism. "

You're the example of the stupid, low IQ jerks that are attracted too.

269 posted on 05/12/2012 9:43:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: JRandomFreeper

I want one of those.

Been wondering about something: can you advise on a good firestarter?

Do I just get one of those clicky thingies or stock up on matches or both? Or is there something else.

270 posted on 05/12/2012 9:46:20 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Yardstick; Uncle Ike; blam; Greysard; KittenClaws; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; ...
Look at this change of post look at the anger of and you can see that it's not just the Libs that are shocked and angered by preppers, there are any number of people who consider themselves to be conservatives right here on FR who are just as angry at preppers.

Some want to bring God's Armageddon into the discussion as if they know that it will be God's will should some catastrophe befall us. Despite the fact that the history of man is full of direr times which were cause by nature or man himself. Man doesn't need God to help them muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.

How many Jews do you think while crammed into a cattle car on their way to some death camp didn't wish they had heed the signs more and prep for what was coming?

I want to warn you who prep, beware these pseudo-conservatives they will be the worse in someways than many of the Libs. These types will want to punish you for being right and proving them wrong, they will even go as far as blaming you for the troubles because in their twisted way of thinking your prepping brought the ‘troubles’. I also warn you of those of the ‘its God's will’ crowd who also will want to see you punished as they will see you as dodging God's punishment, these two groups will be among the first to report you so as to make sure you too suffer. The first group because you proved them wrong the second because you try to escape what they see as the rightful wrath of God, as if they know the Lord's mind.

OPSEC is not just for you Lib neighbors many people that you think as being conservative thinkers will be just as dangerous.

We have talked a lot about safety in numbers and that is so true, just keep in mind not all enemies sail under their true colors.

Beware these people listen to their words carefully and keep in mind this quote from one of my favorite westerns:
“Most times a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear.”

I would ‘listen’ to some of these post and take warning at what they are saying.

271 posted on 05/12/2012 9:46:24 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blam; Ronald_Magnus; ChocChipCookie
I found the brand to be as good as any others. One thing by buying a can at your local Walmart there's no shipping charges nor minimum and you can easily try the product and see if you like it.

Remember the first rule of food storage:
Store what you eat and eat what you store.
272 posted on 05/12/2012 9:46:47 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: The Duke; stanne; All

There is information on how to use calcium hypochlorite, and various of ways to treat water as well as a good section on various water filters and even instructions on a DIY Berkey filter you can make.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:


For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”

273 posted on 05/12/2012 9:53:04 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Salgak

It’s a 9mm glock; that’s all I know. I should get out to the range, I know. I have been well-trained on how to use it at least.

274 posted on 05/12/2012 9:57:29 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

i bought a fire brick maker. you can use wet leaves saw dust or shredded newspaper. burns for about an hour. everyyhing i buy now needs to be renewble from nature. in fact i am making some tomorrow with grandkids. sheesh i need to get a life.

275 posted on 05/12/2012 9:58:16 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: blam

Green (unroasted) coffee beans will store pretty much indefinitely in a cool dry place. Bugs don’t like ‘em either.

I’ve been roasting my own every other day for better’n five years now. You can get it pretty cheap. Got 40# for $120 delivered from Blue Bell Coffee. Ain’t no hoity toity high brow blended crap, just good bean from Nicaragua.

276 posted on 05/12/2012 9:58:27 PM PDT by misanthrope ("...Everybody look what's goin' down.")
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To: misanthrope; blam

MRE Depot has green coffee beans canned. 12 Cans per case, packed with Oxygen Absorbers and Desiccant Packs to ensure that these stay moisture and oxygen free for many, many years.

277 posted on 05/12/2012 10:00:56 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: stanne
I have lighters. I have matches. I have batteries and steel wool. I can start a fire with two angry boy scouts.

There are millions of ways to start a fire. Learn them.

Tinder is the key to it. I know of 8 different plants around here that will have a bone dry fiberous pith in a pouring rain. And that is what you need.

Fire = fuel, O2, heat.

God gives us enough O2 in the atmosphere, so that is covered.

Dry fuel, or tinder can be hard to get in a rain storm, but it is available.

Heat, or at least a spark can come from many different sources.

Sounds like what you need is a hands-on mentor that can show you how, and correct your errors.

That's how I learned. Reading only takes you so far. You have to do it.


278 posted on 05/12/2012 10:01:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tbw2

250 to 700 mg for amox. no cepro for kids. lots of webpages on this. tablets are same as u use for humans.

279 posted on 05/12/2012 10:03:40 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: misanthrope
Tres Rios Magnolia, from Costa Rica. If I hit the auctions right in November/December, I can get it for $1.60/lb.

I only buy during the glut during harvest.

I also have roasted my own for 15 years or so. I've roasted it in an iron skillet over an open flame, or in an air pop-corn popper (my favorite).

Nothing like excellent, fresh roasted, fresh ground, good coffee first thing in the morning. Whether there is electrikity or not.


280 posted on 05/12/2012 10:07:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve been told that every Mexican housewife has her very own mole recipe. It is quite personal and not always divulged even to the favored daughter. I have no idea if black cocoa powder is ever used, but I love what it does and it is faster than toasting bread and grinding sesame seeds, two ingredients I believe have the same thickening power.

One of my most treasured cooking compliments was when I served my chili w/beans to a Mexican woman who later pronounced it to anyone who would listen as “The best frijoles I have ever eaten in my life.”

One of my luxury preps is Harvey’s Bristol Cream sherry. I do not accept that any old cream sherry is just as good, but that’s just me. All the other brands have a sharp finish, while, to me, the Harvey’s is smooth to the end. Anyway, a lot of my favorite dishes include a glug (technical term) of Harvey’s to deglaze a pan or just to add that *something* to a soup or a stew or a sauce. Add, turn up the heat briefly to get rid of most of the alcohol, simmer a bit and let stand a while to develop. It’s a mellow sweet richness nothing else provides. Of course, it’s good to drink, too, far better than some no-name cream sherry that costs a lot less.

This family is not going to just consume calories, if we can help it. We are going to continue to eat like civilized human beings. The peasant food of the world, to me, is some of the best cuisine available and it doesn’t take a grocery store or a lot of money to produce.

However, I am stashing some treasured luxury ingredients just because I still can.

281 posted on 05/12/2012 10:08:37 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Salgak

Yeah, I have all of that. I son’t know what to do with this shortwave radio someone gave us. I think it has a crank in case of power outage.

Any advice?

Just got back from being out and am catching up on the thread. I might find an answer ahead.

282 posted on 05/12/2012 10:09:48 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Graybeard58

they are exactly the same as for humans. they came with rx number imprinted in pill.. i looked it up at pharm website. NO DIFFERENT for cipro.

283 posted on 05/12/2012 10:09:55 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Fee

Thanks, Fee. What (how much) do I budget for that?

284 posted on 05/12/2012 10:13:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: WKUHilltopper

crap. i just sold by HD.

285 posted on 05/12/2012 10:13:58 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: stanne
I son’t know what to do with this shortwave radio someone gave us. I think it has a crank in case of power outage.

Google BBC World Service Short Wave Schedule.

They will be transmitting long after the UK goes Sharia and ice covers the globe. Dial into those frequencies at those times and listen to what passes for news.

Or learn morse code and hang out in the 80 and 40 meter bands.

Do not listen to the local 80 meter bands late at night if your children are awake.

Some ham radio operators are as grumpy as freepers, and it could emotionally scar the children. ;)


286 posted on 05/12/2012 10:15:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

We’ve been saving dryer lint in ziplock bags as “tinder”.

It damn sure can start a fire in your dryer, if you don’t clean it out regularly.

(thanks for this prepper posting, whoever started it—have learned a lot.)

287 posted on 05/12/2012 10:15:54 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Mortrey



288 posted on 05/12/2012 10:17:39 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Kartographer

Good post. There is nothing wrong with being prepared. In many cases, preparation can pay off even if there is not an apocalyptic calamity. Non-perishable food, precious metals, and ammo will probably appreciate in value anyways if current trends continue.
In fact, we are probably more vulnerable to calamity than ever before precisely because most people are not versatile enough. We are so dependent on specialization and complexity that basic survival skills are the exception. During the Great Depression, many people still knew how to farm and fix things. True, things may have been simpler, but that improved an individual’s chance for coping and survival.

289 posted on 05/12/2012 10:19:34 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: AlexW

learn how to can. i buy meat and butter at sams and can it. i canned chili tomato sauce. just learned a few months ago.
do B1G1 alot. just started gardening and deydration
LDS provident living great source for buying 6 or more latge cans of food. 30 yr shelf life. pretty good prices.
good luck

290 posted on 05/12/2012 10:19:51 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: reformedliberal

I may be poor. I may not have money for much of anything anymore, but I will eat to the best of my ability, and so will those around me.

Something called 'menu fatigue' is of great concern to generals in our military forces. Because it's real. And it demoralizes troops.

Same for us (now) civilians. Food can make or break a day. Good breakfast of something, served cheerfully by someone who is working hard not to crack under the pressure can give that little extra uumph, to make the day strong or weak.

I'll never quit praying after I wake up, praying before meals, and praying when I go to bed. And I'll never quit eating as best I can.

Jesus Himself converted water into wine at a wedding party, and it turned out to be the best wine of the night. He's my role model.


291 posted on 05/12/2012 10:22:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

...... Horatio at the bridge .

292 posted on 05/12/2012 10:25:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: grumpygresh

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become thier‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be herded in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Now anyone thinking that prepping is foolish ask you what’s easier telling your children and loved ones why you prepared or explaining to them why you didn’t?

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

293 posted on 05/12/2012 10:25:30 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Mortrey
We’ve been saving dryer lint in ziplock bags as “tinder”.

It is good for that. I've had a dryer fire.

It can also be felted and used for clothing/blankets/etc...

Didn't believe it until I saw it done.


294 posted on 05/12/2012 10:25:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: varina davis

i have looked into zeer pots but they might not work so well here in fla. i am going to try again but this time i will put pots in shade and get them off the ground so the bottom can cool too.

295 posted on 05/12/2012 10:25:45 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Vendome

What is the name of the gel and where do you get it...sounds like it would be great for my dry skin and psorosis......GG

296 posted on 05/12/2012 10:27:39 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Squantos
You said bridge. I wouldn't get near a bridge you said anything about, even in passing, that's how good your psyops are. Go boom, fall down.

How are lefty and his buddies?


297 posted on 05/12/2012 10:29:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: goat granny

they just changed the law in april that you now must get a vet to write rx for farm animal rx.

298 posted on 05/12/2012 10:33:39 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: yarddog

I used to visit in laws in florida. Once, I opened the front and then, bu habit, the back door, too. They asked what the story was. They had screens on the doors, but had just no idea about cross-ventilation. THey were amazed at how effective just opening those two doors was in cooling off the house. It was not summer, of course.

I guess they’d never even HAD the windows open. Bunch of pilots, they were, too.

Hardware depots have standard sized screens for aluminum outside doors (those little second doors on the outside of your front and back doors). And if you don’t have those, they’re relatively easy to get and install.

That’s all we’d have here in the absence of AC.

299 posted on 05/12/2012 10:37:46 PM PDT by stanne
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To: JRandomFreeper

Having been a medication nurse, giving shots to my goats was no problem, some worm medication was I.M. But I don’t think I would try a horse, if they don’t like the way you give them, one kick and your in a world of hurt, if you are still alive.....LOL

I had one rabbit whose teeth wouldn’t stop growing even with junk to chew on....about every 2 months I had to take nippers and cut his 4 front teeth...those suckers can give a hell of a kick if you don’t have a good hold on them....a gal told me it was a genetic problem with some rabbits...I didn’t notice it until I took a good look at his mouth and the bottom 2 were full of hair and within a fraction of an inch from going into the roof of his mouth.....If I was ticked off with hubby for some reason or other I asked him to hold the rabbit while I clipped its teeth...he didn’t think it was funny, but I did..(I am a bad girl)

300 posted on 05/12/2012 10:38:22 PM PDT by goat granny
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