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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-12-2012 | Be Informed

Posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by blam

How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?

Be Informed
May 12th, 2012

This article has been made available by regular SHTF Plan contributor Be Informed.

Editor’s Note: You have no doubt had your own set of issues dealing with friends and family members that simply don’t see the writing on the wall. The following article may serve to assist you in convincing those who simply don’t know, don’t want to know, don’t care, or have never even thought to contemplate. Some of the scenarios outlined below may be frightening, as they should be, because when it hits the fan millions of people will be thrown into desperation with no hope of a solution. Be Informed provides a variety of point-by-point details that may (and hopefully will) convince the non-prepared individual to at least insulate themselves with the basic necessities. The consequences for not doing so, as you’ll see, are severe and often deadly.


I have become personally so disenchanted with the way people fail to prep. People still don’t understand how important it is to put away. I have gotten into arguments over this and had cretins call me a fool because I put away food, water, and supplies. I thought about this and the frustration that other preppers have with this laid back idiotic attitude that there is no need for preparation. There are good people that just can’t/won’t start preparing. They have the money to do so, but just don’t want to. Many have only seen what happens to non-preppers on TV, but it still doesn’t make an impact.

In this article I detail some hard core realities to show just how awful it will be for those that don’t prep. Every one of these scenarios is something that has occurred to the non-prepper throughout history. While strong images come to mind, the purpose is to jar some people out of their inaction and into action before it is too late.

Preppers are good people and care much about those around them, and unless something does jar those around them that choose not to prep, their own survival chances could be reduced. For every bit of food, water, ammunition, or supplies you sacrifice to the non-prepper, the fewer irreplaceable supplies are left for you and your family in a crisis situation. It is hoped that the following can help certain people put into TRUE perspective just how horrific it will be for those that don’t prepare.

Here are the awful consequences for those refusing to prep.

As the world continues to decay at multiple facets, the common person has and continues to be lulled into a sense that everything is improving and will continue to for the distant future. After all, to them unemployment has peaked out and will drop until everyone that wants to work will easily be able to find good paying work, North Korea is no threat because all their long range “bottle rockets” fizz out, sanctions will eventually make Iran give up their nuclear program, oil prices will start going down after June or so, Europe will bail out Greece and Spain and everyone else, and U.S. debt will eventually come under control.

After 2012 everyone that has prepared themselves will go back to more “sensible” lives. “Good times are coming”, baseball season is here, let’s get back to watching some more crackerjack news.

It is amazing how people become good conversationalists with most others discussing all the gossip related news, while becoming mentally tranquilized into a totally deceptive state of denial of truly dangerous issues of the times. It’s the blind leading the blind… right off the cliff.

Rather than dealing with harsh reality, people surround themsleves with easy to digest material that can be talked about without directly influencing anyone’s lives. Meaningless chatter. Even for those unwilling to even think to prepare for a societal catastrophic event, there is also no desire to even face the extreme possibility of a sudden loss of one’s employment. A personal SHTF.

Look at some of the terrible personal pain experienced in America right now – and it hasn’t even hit the fan on a grand scale. Those people who have lived it up on credit, who failed to put much of anything away for a rainy day, who’ve lost their job, and who eventually lost their unemployment benefits are experiencing the first level of collapse. This is happening to millions of people in our own country, all around us, as we speak.

These Americans, who once enjoyed the luxuries that modern living had to offer, are now at their wits end, with very little hope for a return to their previous lives. They are no longer able to pay most or any of their bills. Many have to humiliatingly turn to others for help to pay for food, or worse, to obtain old, unhealthy and poor tasting food from locally funded food banks. Their credit cards are totally worthless. Many have been evicted from their homes and have uprooted their families to live either on the street, in tent cities, with relatives, or have been forced to live at homeless shelters, They’ve have had their vehicles repossessed, or simply can’t afford the gasoline anymore. Their living conditions often make it difficult, if not impossible, to look presentable for job interviews. For many, the life of stability they knew just a short while ago is gone, replaced with fear and a constant stress to the point of nervous breakdown.

A personal economic meltdown is confined to the individual or family, or at worst a few families. The human civilization remains intact and so do society’s safety nets.

With food assistance, rental assistance, homesless shelters, and family to turn to, even the most destitute are almost always able to find some sort of help – however menial.

It is no wonder with these known assistance programs, then, that people have forgotten or never thought to consider what happens IF and WHEN human civilization goes through a strong enough SHTF event. If that happens on a mass scale what happens to everyone that needs help that has not prepared ahead of time? What happens when governments are in such total disarray or destroyed altogether that they can’t help even if they wanted to?

The media and others have portrayed the good people that sacrifice much if not all “luxuries” of life to prepare themselves and their family and friends for extreme times, as chicken littles. Those who have made the choice to store up emergency food, water, and other necessities to avoid extreme life threatening risks, including suffering horribly during and after a widespread SHTF event, are laughed at and ridiculed often for “wasting” their lives on delusional paranoia.

But who is delusional? Those who see the signs around them and understand how vulnerable the system is, or those who believe that things never change, that politicians have their best interests at heart, and that if the worst happens the government will be there to provide everything they may need?

How many have considered the dire consequences of their failure to prepare in the event that the infrastructure and everything a country’s people depend on totally collapses?

The misery from long term unemployment and lack of money is like a walk in the park compared to the severe anguish and dangerous conditions that await those who have failed to prepare for the aftermath of a large scale cataclysm. The “minor” problems of unemployment that seem extremely major and painful to most today should serve as a wake up call to what life will be like when something much, much worse happens – when those proverbial safety nets are no longer there to catch us.

Many preppers have become deeply frustrated at those around them, especially those that truly mean something to them, because they simply refuse to put away anything at all for emergencies. The prepper is usually a person that cares a lot and it is often difficult for them to take a tough stance towards the people that they care about. However, unless someone changes the habits of those people that fail to get ready, decisions will need to be made, and they won’t be easy.

The choice of what the prepared prepper should do will boil down to either either adding these people to their own circle or survival group and reduce the group’s safety, supplies and self sufficiency, OR, they will have to let the non-prepper fend for themselves. This is a very personal choice, and each of us will need to decide based on our own morals, ethics and personal relationships.

As a last ditch effort, discussing the following scenarios with the non-prepper may help them understand what life will be like without what has sustained them so comfortably for so long.

This is the hard reality the non prepper needs to understand:

* Without power the water company cannot get water to their faucets. Without water dehydration occurs within 24 hours. Dehydration causes much suffering before death.

* Toilets in homes, unless they have an incineration toilet that still need power to work, don’t flush without water. Where will they go to the bathroom and then where will they dispose of human waste?

* There will be no clean water available anywhere, especially in major cities, and they cannot live more than about three days without it.

* Drinking dirty and polluted water will make them incredibly sick and accelerate the dehydration process.

* Polluted water must be purified and that means having a good filter, bleach or other disinfectant, or fuel and something to boil water with.

* Understand just how fragile the power and the infrastructure is that pumps water to the public. A breakdown in our power infrastructure or a cyber attack against utility systems will render them useless.

* A single event can rapidly lead to a cascade of other events that would certainly collapse almost, if not, everything. This is why major snow storms, hurricanes or solar events in the past have affected millions of people in an entire region all at once.

* A single, seemingly unimportant event may become quite terrible as its repercussions spread; this can include a far and away disaster.

* Understand that the economies of the world are so interwoven that when one major economy falls it affects everyone.

* Not having any food in the house means that if the stores are emptied suddenly in a bad enough situation that there will be no food available for a long period of time afterward. Recent history during disasters around the world has shown that stores can literally be emptied in minutes.

* Think about how totally horrible the feeling of being very hungry is and what circumstances would cause one to be desperate enough to eat anything.

* ALL stores can be closed instantly under martial law.

* Understand that you may not be able to purchase anything after it starts, especially with any credit cards.

* Understand the complexity of food and water distribution; breaks in these chains can stop anything from getting to the people.

* What life will be like if no toilet paper is stored? Understand that without light sources, the night will be pitch black, often with zero visibility.

* There will be no communications, other than probably martial law type of instructions over the radio, that is if they have batteries for the radio.

* Other than ham and shortwave radio, any information that is available will be sent out by the government as filtered propaganda that “they” want everyone to hear.

* Without power consider what it will be like to not have any heat to stay warm, or air conditioned air to stay cooler – with no way of alleviating the situation.

* Travelling will likely be by foot or bicycle, as there will be no fuel and roadways may be blocked.

* Realize that ANY travel outside of the home or neighborhood will be extremely dangerous as ANYONE who moves becomes a target

* Non preppers will be pushed way beyond their limit because of lack of supplies.

* The non prepper must realize their government does not really care about them individually, that they are a mere number and help will likely not come from them.

* They have to figure out somewhere to get food. This can mean wild plants which they must know how to identify as safe, or risk poisoning themselves.

* They have to understand that when we refer to “having no food” it doesn’t mean not having the food they are used to enjoying, it means no food to eat at all.

* They have to understand that if they are fortunate enough to have any running water, they will probably have to bathe in cold water for lack of stored fuel to heat water.

* They have to realize that the very strange and totally unexpected is going to be all around them, made that much worse because of lack of any reliable self defense stores or skills.

* They might have to remain on the run constantly because of looking for water and food.

* They must understand that bad will be magnified magnitudes to living misery because of lack of food, water, and other necessary items that they took for granted for so long.

Okay, now comes the “truly ugly and unthinkable” life that most, if not all, people that have failed and refused to prepare themselves will deal with. Clear vivid visualization is key here for anyone that ho hums the idea of prepping.

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

* The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

* The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

* The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

* The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

* The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

* The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

* The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.

* The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.

* The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly, because they have neglected putting away anything to make life more bearable.

* The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper. Imagine the smell for a moment.

* The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amoungst the filth that will pile up. No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.

The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.

* The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries. Didn’t even stock up on disinfectives. Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.

* The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.

* The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that taste so bad it gags them and comes back up.

* The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared committing suicide because they can’t take it any longer.

* The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.

* The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.

* The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.

* The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.

* The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.

* The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.

* The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk, and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.

* The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.

* The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.

* The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics. Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.

* The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self defense, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.

* The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live. They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot. They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do, and get sick and suffer much before dying. The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”.

Almost every single person, even a very poor person, has the capacity to put away emergency food and supplies. Even homeless people have stashes of something just in case things become so bad that the normal hand outs and thrown-away items dry up. Many people with good sources of income don’t even have an extra can of food or any water put away at all. This is stupidity beyond words.

Every day lightweight disasters happen in all parts of the world that disturb services enough that people are confined to their homes for a certain amount of time. While recovery is short, people are still uncomfortable during these times. Look what happens after a power outage at night and you will be mystified at how many homes are completely dark for hours. People have not even bought an extra couple of candles or any battery operated light sources. Even in well-to-do neighborhoods you may hear only a lone generator going after a blackout. This lack of preparedness is truly frightening and plays itself out again, again, and again every time services are disrupted for minor to major reasons. It’s as if there is something wrong with storing extra food, water, and supplies.

Even after “lessons” played out to what happens to those non-prepared, most people still feel that it just cannot happen to them, or won’t ever happen to them again. It should be proof enough to people what happens to those unprepared after disasters simply by looking at those that have gone through it firsthand. The difference, though, comes in that these disasters have had recovery periods and help from others. Even Haiti received some help and conditions remain putrid over there.

After a TRUE SHTF, it is presumable that government help and others coming to the aid of those in need WON’T happen for long periods of time. During that time those that have chosen to not put food, water, and necessities away are going to be in life threatening positions. Most people just don’t get that when the supermarket shelves are empty they will stay that way for an extended period. When the utilities go down, especially water, it may be weeks, months, or longer before they come back, if ever. Without what someone needs to survive each day, it is not going to magically appear, and depending on the goodwill of others to feed them and sacrifice their own family’s survival chances is a terrible choice.

People MUST know what life will be like after SHTF in mega fashion if they refuse to prepare. This is NOT new. Terrible events have plunged people into the deepest levels of desperation and hopelessness, and they will happen again and again.

While the above consequences to the non-prepper are extremely abysmal for anyone to read, the simple fact of the matter is they have already happened time and time again to those that have nothing put away. People have resorted to cannibalism and gone to levels of primitive savage behavior out of shear desperation and out of literally losing their minds to the physical depletion of food and water that keeps the physical body operating. Sometimes showing the extreme severity and results of a person’s lack of action, such as failure of the simple act of putting away extra food, water, and supplies, can be the kick in the complacency that they need.

It’s really easy to put away food and supplies. All one has to do is add a little bit of extra food to the grocery cart for long-term storage. Over time this adds up to a well stocked pantry of supplies.

There is something that is in a can of food that everyone can eat and enjoy the taste of, so talk to family members about their nutritional preferences and start stocking up. Toilet paper and other supplies that really don’t have any expiration date can be put away and forgotten about ’til needed.

There MUST be common sense and intelligence to see what happens IF they don’t stock up for the future. There has to be the DESIRE to get started, and this is the real problem with so many.

Once started, however, prepping becomes a type of life saving routine or positive lifestyle habit. It is easy and can and will save one from misery. It may save their life and the lives of their family from ruin when SHTF, which is almost inevitably going to happen someday. Every month and year that goes by without a true SHTF event, makes it more likely that it will happen. Basic statistical chance shows this to be the case, but people continue the same pattern of behavior that has led them to the same devastation countless time before.

For those preppers that have people around them that refuse to prepare, you can at least have some degree of solace knowing that you tried to show the non-prepping person(s) what not having anything will mean to them and their families.

All we can do is try. Once we’ve given it our best shot, all we can do is let those who have been warned about the direness of the possibilities live their lives the way that want to. They will, unfortunately, live in a world of regret and suffering if the nation and the world falls apart around them.

To every action there is an opposite equal reaction. Preppers will see their efforts have been more than worth it. Objects that are motionless tend to remain motionless and non-preppers will find there are horrific consequences for their lack of effort and motion to put away “life insurance” preps for themselves and their families.

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To: yarddog

In a humid area fans would keep you cool enough and in dry areas wet sheets hung in front of a window with a breeze or a fan.

51 posted on 05/12/2012 3:52:30 PM PDT by tiki
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To: KittenClaws

It won’t be kumbuya, but it won’t be the hell you guys are hoping for either.

52 posted on 05/12/2012 3:53:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: stanne

Dont forget the ladies. Tampons and other things that guys dont want to buy in the store.
And Porn.....a guy gotta have a stash of porn{ Just kidding}.
Clorox bleach....
Building supplies
Guns...and ammo...and when you think you have enough ammo, buy more.

53 posted on 05/12/2012 3:53:53 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yardstick
I lived for quite a while on my prep supplies after the market crash in 2008.

Disasters can be very local and very personal. It just makes sense to prepare.


54 posted on 05/12/2012 3:54:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Bad consequences from eating dried beans? Guess I’ll have to go canned.

We are, truly, in a serious drought, the water we can store must be saved for drinking.

What about rice? Same consequence?

Hungry folks do a lot of things, you know.

55 posted on 05/12/2012 3:55:05 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: aruanan

If I may... POST OF THE CENTURY! Preppers are apocalyptics who believe there work will grant them an earthly salvation so they can spend their time looking down on the “lost souls” who will be wailing and gnashing their teeth in regret.

56 posted on 05/12/2012 3:55:09 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: blam

During Ike we lost power for three weeks, but we made it through without much problems.

The commercial areas (grocery stores)were up and running on the third day after Ike came through so there was little problem with food. The amount of food brought in was stunning. The grocery industry has disaster plans that are astonishing.

It worked out well but in Houston have had a lot of practice with this type of event.

57 posted on 05/12/2012 3:56:06 PM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: stanne
Water is always an issue. Post 89 quake I went looking for water barrels. Found a supplier of used 55 gallon food grade barrels. Made sure they only had food( applejack) stored in them. Cleaned them with bleach then filled and sealed them. The water had a faint apple odor the first few rotations. I keep them in the back yard covered with large plastic yard bag. You can get the water out with a hand pump or siphon the water with a length of drip irrigation supply line. Inside the house I keep a supply of commercial bottled water as well of several 5 gal gas containers that NEVER have had gas in them. They are tougher than regular water containers and have lasted for years. Water will be worth its weight in gold

The city subsidizes rain water collection barrels. Hooked up our roof down spout to them now have water to use for bathing or washing / general sanitation. We also have water filters Katadyn/MSR/First need etc.

58 posted on 05/12/2012 3:56:20 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: 1raider1

That’s my thought as well. I live in a suburban neighborhood on the edge of a wildlife refuge. I would hunt and forage, but when most people can’t buy food, they will loot the supermarkets. Once the supermarkets are empty, armed bands will begin to go house to house and take your food. The weak and lazy will perish. Is the answer to migrate to a sparsely populated warm climate where an abundance of vegetation and wildlife is available, avoiding the armed food bandits?

59 posted on 05/12/2012 3:57:05 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: Yardstick
Who the hell hopes for disaster?

I don't hope for a car wreck, but I buy insurance. I don't hope for a house fire, but I have fire extinguishers.

A prudent man prepares.


60 posted on 05/12/2012 3:57:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
If the bottom falls out, Americans will reorganize themselves pretty quickly to make sure things don’t fall into complete anarchy.

Just like they did in urban Detroit... Oh, wait. Detroit looks like an after-the-bomb movie set.


61 posted on 05/12/2012 3:59:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
" Sooner or later they will come out of their hidey holes looking for things that only the local community can provide. "

Hidey Holes?

HA! I'm your next door neighbor...and, you don't even know it.

62 posted on 05/12/2012 4:00:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: RWB Patriot

Or Noah’s Ark. People were laughing and having a great time mocking Noah, until the water began to rise’ and the ark door was closed. That particular Twilight Zone episode is one of the many great ones.

63 posted on 05/12/2012 4:00:34 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: Yardstick

Hoping for? There is a difference between hoping and preparing, my friend.

I did nothing to “prep” for Y2K, you know why? That was a stupid computer glitch that could take care of itself.

But there is nothing wrong in preparing for social upheaval - especially when history has shown this is the best choice.

If you don’t like that, then don’t prepare. Laugh at us when nothing happens or BEG us for help when something does.

64 posted on 05/12/2012 4:02:12 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: buffaloguy

After the tornados here in northern AL a year ago, the community pulled together so effectively and things bounced back so quickly that frankly it renewed my confidence in the basic fabric of this country.

65 posted on 05/12/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: blam
Do I have these things = YES!

Edgar Allen Poe and the Preppers

66 posted on 05/12/2012 4:03:06 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Yardstick
"It won’t be kumbuya, but it won’t be the hell you guys are hoping for either. "

You're starting to be a jerk is hoping for bad things to happen.

Go away.

67 posted on 05/12/2012 4:03:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: KittenClaws
Rice doesn't have the tri-sacherides that beans have, so the gut wrench will be less. But water is required. If you don't have water, you die. Rule of 3s. 3 minutes without air, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food and you die.


68 posted on 05/12/2012 4:03:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick

I would call myself a semi-prepper, it is probably just a good reason for me to horde food which I have always done. Almost all the other stuff is stuff you have if you are a farmer, fisherman, hunter, camper.

In 2008 we were dead broke and I lived on my reserves for 6 months. No, I didn’t make national news and I didn’t get a medal but I survived one of the worst times of my life by being prepared. There was no hurricane or tornado or earthquake either, just a crisis in my own personal life. I didn’t have to ask friends or family for loans, I didn’t have to go to a food bank or get food stamps, I just took care of myself and didn’t put a burden on anyone and most people didn’t even know we were having a crisis.

I agree with you about reorganizing, repurposing, making do and people helping people, we are Americans and we know how to survive and will do fine but it won’t hurt that there are people out there who won’t need help.

69 posted on 05/12/2012 4:03:27 PM PDT by tiki
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To: buffaloguy

Of all the possible SHTF scenarios IMHO a financial collapse is the most likely given the huge gov debt and world central banks out of options dealing with sovereign debt such as Greece and etc. Central bankers are trying to buy time and prevent deflation thru currency printing and other exotic financial tools. One wrong move or one debtor nation defaults all the banks interlocked by globalism will be affected. Worst investors alarmed by all this paper currency printing may stop buying bonds at the needed price range to replace maturing bond driving up the cost to the gov for borrowing or even worst investors stop buying bonds. Either scenario will cause deflation, gov collapse and bank collapse forcing the world gov to meet and establish a new standard for paper currencies. Banks may close and currencies reset to lower value. During that bank holiday people will not be able to access ATM or use checks, credit cards and etc. Deflation will be followed by inflation. Read what happen in Brazil, Argentina, Russia, Serbia, Mexico and one of the worst Zimbabwe. Middle class will be wiped out. I think this is the most likely scenario that prepper need to prepare for.

70 posted on 05/12/2012 4:04:24 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Just another Joe

The Washington Post, New York Times, Time, Newsweek, The Audacity of Hope, Dreams of My Father, and the Koran are all suitable as well.

71 posted on 05/12/2012 4:04:39 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: stanne

Give me the make and model of your weapon, and I’ll try to point you towards spare mags for it. You also might want to invest in a large supply of ammo, and a local range membership.

A gun is a tool, and to use ANY tool effectively requires practice. Also, ammo is cheaper in bulk. . .

72 posted on 05/12/2012 4:06:15 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper

So what your saying is I need to lay off the dried beans and such.

Guess I’ll have to rely on canned and save my water for drinking.

Thanks for the info on the beans.


73 posted on 05/12/2012 4:08:04 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Yardstick; blam
... as already existing communities and associations step up and mobilize to make sure needs are met.

Case in point: Any severe weather or cataclysmic event -- tornado, flood, blizzard, fire, earthquake, hurricane (excepting Katrina & New Orleans, of course).

People crawl out from the ruins of their homes, re-group...and start re-building. The necessary aspects of destroyed infrastructure are quickly replaced...mostly with private resources (e.g., powerlines, etc). Local government is usually the last to respond, but it proves more effective and efficient than anything the federal government might eventually do.

As a group, Americanss are pretty darn self-sufficient.

The big cities will have problems, though.

74 posted on 05/12/2012 4:08:22 PM PDT by okie01
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To: KittenClaws
Hoping for?

Yes, hoping for. You people are hoping for hell and you know it. You want this country to suffer for its sins just like leftists do.

Laugh at us when nothing happens or BEG us for help when something does.

Uh huh. I realize that having people beg is at the center of your fantasy.

75 posted on 05/12/2012 4:08:22 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: KittenClaws
You can use the liquid from the canned corn, the canned tuna, and the canned fruit to cook stuff.

Granted, it's a culinary disaster, but you can do it. You can also drink it, if you need the water.


76 posted on 05/12/2012 4:10:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Dried beans and knowing how to cook them are a whole lot cheaper than canned.

But that depends on having clean water.

77 posted on 05/12/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde
Life depends on having clean water. If you don't have clean water, you die. Cleaning water is not rocket science. It requires some basic equipment and training.

That's one of the things that lots of missionary groups do, in third world countries, is teach people to use local resources to clean their water and stop the babies from dying.


78 posted on 05/12/2012 4:14:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam
I was looking to buy a small generator and when I did I noticed that it burned through 7 gallons of gas every 24 hours!. This was a modern generator so I doubt most others are any more efficient. Unless you lived in a place where you could store hundreds of gallons of gas how would you be able to run it for any extended period of time? Even if it was a propane generator you would still need a lot of space to store fuel, space that might be better used storing water and food. Plus you have the expense, $20 to $30/day depending on where you live and gas prices. I just don't see how I can make those numbers work.
79 posted on 05/12/2012 4:14:36 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: KittenClaws

Unless you think you can supply yourself with a lot of water besides drinking water canned things would be best. We eat a lot of dried beans here but I still have plenty of canned beans.

A can of corn could supply almost 300 calories and a good bit of liquid for hydration and all you have to do is open a can.

80 posted on 05/12/2012 4:14:52 PM PDT by tiki
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To: All
Remember with most small generators, 3-12 HP (no oil filter), you will have to change the oil after each 24 hours of use.
Get extra oil (a case would not be a bad idea).
81 posted on 05/12/2012 4:16:51 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: blam

I have been talking about prepping since the financial collapse of 2008. Only now I have one sister who is getting around to the potential financial disaster and my older brother is starting to wonder. All my friends only one is starting prepping (he was from Russia) and one living in Baltimore is concern about the Martin trial and possibility the black community may invade the nice white/tourist/rich area if Martin is found innocent. My advice is to store enough food and etc to support immediate family members and another 10 or so people for six months to a year. Biggest hurdle to my prepping efforts is my unbelieving spouse.

82 posted on 05/12/2012 4:17:25 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
In the mountains, I had some solar for small stuff, and a genset for needed things. Some days the genset didn't get run at all, most times that it was run, it ran for less than 20 minutes to get done what needed to be done.

In the third world, electicity for an hour a day beats the hell out of no electricity at all.


83 posted on 05/12/2012 4:17:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Just another Joe

“...waste water for washing your behind is still an option.”

What type of wastewater are you talking about?

The very last thing you want to invite during a crisis is an infection “down there” or anywhere, for that matter.

A second point to ponder. Have you priced TP and paper products lately? Around here it has nearly doubled in price this past year. It’s not ALL about prepping for a SHTF scenario, it’s a matter of saving money. We’re still using TP from the three cases we bought last year when it was on sale.

Same with food. I almost passed out last week when shopping at Walmart. Last year at this time JIF peanut butter in the large size ‘double-pack’ was $7.88. Last week it was $12.78. We were forced to buy Walmart’s “Great-Value” brand.

Mrs. panax and I have a saying around here...”buy two today ‘cause it’s only gonna be more expensive tomorrow”. 99% of the time that proves true. Few food items are dropping in price.

I agree that some good folks out there are taking this ‘prepping thing’ to the extreme, but common sense says that buying an extra item now and then isn’t going to hurt you.

Here’s an example. My neighbor drives to town every few days just to buy a single gallon of milk. It’s 15 miles to the nearest store. That’s a gallon of gas one way in his truck. With gas at $4.00 and him using 2 gallons round trip, he’s paying $10-$11 for a gallon of milk! Why he doesn’t buy two gallons at a time, I’ll never know.

The way I look at it is that anybody that has a savings account at the bank is a ‘prepper’ of sorts. Preparing for rough or possible lean times is smart.

Rambled long enough....

84 posted on 05/12/2012 4:17:51 PM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I appreciate the advise.

No more dried beans for us - or dried rice.

I’m expecting plenty of culinary disasters in a survival situation.

Hopefully, we can integrate with a group that has one such as yourself to make our lives a bit brighter.

85 posted on 05/12/2012 4:19:02 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ll take the tip on dry bean cooking.


86 posted on 05/12/2012 4:19:23 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: blam

That’s why I own a pistol, a revolver, a shotgun, a hunting rifle, and am working towards a semi-auto, as well as stocking plenty of ammo.

87 posted on 05/12/2012 4:20:03 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: DuncanWaring

Is pouring human waste into sewers an option for disposing of it?

88 posted on 05/12/2012 4:20:26 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: cripplecreek

Small town surrounded by farms are the best. Large cities and packed suburbs will fall apart quickly. Rural developments or isolated homes will be targets of crime and gangs. Small towns on the other hand are small enough so people are aware of events, and enough people will come to the aid of neighbors.

89 posted on 05/12/2012 4:20:45 PM PDT by Fee
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Bulk buying disguised as co-ops?

90 posted on 05/12/2012 4:21:32 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: JRandomFreeper; stanne

Dried beans only have a two year shelf life and you don’t know how old they were when they hit the store. They also need water and fuel. Canned beans last longer unopened, can be eaten cold and don’t take up water.

We have both and the means to crack or grind any old dried beans that won’t become tender. Also, a big mess of beans will feed a lot of folks, but if refrigeration is out or limited and there aren’t a lot of mouths to feed, they will go bad. So, you can make the case for either form or stock both.

91 posted on 05/12/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: okie01
As a group, Americanss are pretty darn self-sufficient.

Exactly right.

The big cities will have problems, though.

They will have problems but even they will suprise us with their ability to pull together and get things patched up and working at some basic level.

92 posted on 05/12/2012 4:22:04 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: tiki

My spouse and I went through a similar thing the beginning of this year. No income whatsoever.

But we had some savings, and lots of preps.

Sailed right through it.

ONLY because we were prepared.

As long as we/I am able bodied, I will never be without preps.

Some knowledge about cuts etc. is helpful. Stitches are not always needed.

Our ‘investments’ no longer goes to someone we don’t see as in 401k where wall streeters use it to gamble(why would we believe someone else would take better care of our money, than we would?) goes into preps.

93 posted on 05/12/2012 4:22:09 PM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: Yorlik803

Books. Or a fully-stuffed E-reader, with several SD-Cards full of OTHER books. And at least 2 solar chargers for the Ebooks. . . .

Hand-tools. A manually-driven hand drill (the old crank-type) will be invaluable, as will good screwdrivers, a good socket set (both English and Metric), and a multi-tip screwdriver with a good set of various bits. Bunch of Vice-Grips. Good handsaws and hacksaws. Hatchet, full-size Axe, and a Splitting Maul. Shovels. Pick.

I could go on. . . .

94 posted on 05/12/2012 4:23:08 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: spacejunkie2001
See post #25.


95 posted on 05/12/2012 4:23:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Any sourdough advice? I have a lovely starter and have no problems maintaining it, but I can’t make bread to save my life.

96 posted on 05/12/2012 4:23:40 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Fee
Biggest hurdle to my prepping efforts is my unbelieving spouse.

So don't prep. Just buy in bulk what you normally buy when stuff is on sale. ;) You can eventually save 10-20% on your food budget if you do that a lot.

It's not prepping, it's saving money.


97 posted on 05/12/2012 4:26:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Iron Munro

How do you properly dose humans with fish antibiotics? Do you give the same number of milliliters of fish antibiotics as you would an oral human dose?

98 posted on 05/12/2012 4:27:29 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: 1raider1

If I may... POST OF THE CENTURY! Preppers are apocalyptics who believe there work will grant them an earthly salvation so they can spend their time looking down on the “lost souls” who will be wailing and gnashing their teeth in regret.


You have no idea what preppers think.

You only know what you have been told to think.

Preppers are cool with your choices, so be cool about ours and STFU.

99 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:39 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: buffaloguy

And Texas generates as much power as it consumes, so there are local refineries and wells to keep it all going as long as power and gas aren’t sent out of the state.

100 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:44 PM PDT by tbw2
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