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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?
SHTF Plan ^ | 5-12-2012 | Be Informed

Posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by blam

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To: Fee

In my corner of the country there are little towns every 5 or 10 miles in every direction and they’re all interconnected through family and friendly ties. I grew up 30 miles from here and have ties in the 5 little towns in between plus other little towns spread across about 3 counties.


101 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: stanne

Get yourself a 357 mag revolver (4 to 6 in barrel) instead. Can shoot 38 spec as well as 357 magnum bullets. You can also get a lever action rifle that can shoot the same ammo. Rifle and pistol with no logistics of mags. That would be my poor man’s rifle/pistol for SHTF scenario. Taurus sells low cost/reliable revolvers and Marlin sells reliable lever action rifles.


102 posted on 05/12/2012 4:28:56 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I was looking to buy a small generator and when I did I noticed that it burned through 7 gallons of gas every 24 hours!.

Ration its' use, you don't run it 24/7, forget about air conditioning, use only when absolutely necessary.
Been there done that.
Can push my small one (6.5KW, 10HP)probably over a month with just 50 gallons of gasoline if I needed too.
See post #81 also.

103 posted on 05/12/2012 4:29:26 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: blam
...no-one is hoping for bad things to happen.

Are you kidding? There's a very noticable apocalyptic streak in the prepper movement. It's not all of you, but it's a lot of you.

104 posted on 05/12/2012 4:30:07 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I have a gas generator that was purchased after Frederic in 1979...it still runs great. I just run it in spurts not all the time.
I'm going to buy a very small generator just to run a fan for sleeping at night. Harbor Freight has one on sale for $89.00 right now.
105 posted on 05/12/2012 4:30:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: reformedliberal
Dried beans only have a two year shelf life

I've eaten dried beans that were over 10 years old without any problem. And so did the hundreds of airmen that I fed them to.

If you don't have water and fuel, you are fundamentally screwed anyway. Man that can't make a fire, even in Arizona, isn't much of a man.

Cooked beans can be crushed, spread out, and sun dried to preserve them. To prepare them after drying, simply rehydrate them. I've done that, in the wilderness.

/johnny

106 posted on 05/12/2012 4:31:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

“How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper?”
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I am still somewhat skeptical of the Prepper movements.
For one, the nature and magnitude of civil disruptions are so far ranging.
Living in a city like Chicago is one thing, living in the Smokey or Rocky Mountains is entirely different.

The area of coverage is another factor.
If their is a neighborhood riot, as in Watts, one can flee.
If it is an area-wide event, such as an ice storm, having a two week supply of food, water and heat would be most desirable.

As for guns and ammo, it is nice to have a gun and some ammo
in case of a single incident home invasion, but stocking up
for a long term siege seems somewhat pointless.
If one is living in an area of dense population, and high percentage of minorities, you should see enough signs to know when to get the hell out of Dodge.
If SHTF, you will be likely overwhelmed no matter how much ammo you have.
One Molotov or mob size group will finish you off anyway.

I had a friend that had an underground bunker built and stocked it with huge quantities of prepper food and supplies.
I guess within five to ten years, all of his stores expired, and his mental health failed to a point where he had to be put in a rest home.
Yes, I know that there are new prepper foods that have a
very long shelf life, but what if the situation warrants
that you flee at a moments notice?

While some do not have much choice but to live in a big city, it would be prudent to move to a low density area.
I left Memphis for the country, 50 miles away, in 1980.
I left the USA for good in 2005.

Since 2009, I have been living on a beach in a temperate climate.
Natural food is plentiful year round.
If conditions warrant a change of environment, I have mountains up to 3000 feet, with low density population that is less then a few miles inland.

Just remember, there is no “one size fits all” when it comes to doomsday preparations.


107 posted on 05/12/2012 4:32:28 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: reformedliberal

shelf life is a hoax in most instances.

Dry beans will last for years and years and years. Vaccuum sealed.


108 posted on 05/12/2012 4:32:43 PM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: Salgak
Books. Or a fully-stuffed E-reader, with several SD-Cards full of OTHER books. And at least 2 solar chargers for the Ebooks. . . .

I have that. Google Books has a bunch of old books available either in PDF or E-Pub format for free download. Lots of good info there.

/johnny

109 posted on 05/12/2012 4:34:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick; Admin Moderator
"Are you kidding? There's a very noticable apocalyptic streak in the prepper movement. It's not all of you, but it's a lot of you. "

I told you to go away.

No-one likes your accusations and name calling.

You people....

All of you...

Just who the hell do you think you are addressing fellow FReepers in this tone?

You've got problems yourself that you need to work on insted of 'fixing' all 'us people.'

Beat it.

110 posted on 05/12/2012 4:36:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: Freddd

I actually bought some sutures off of ebay and I managed to get some lidocaine, we deal with animals and I’m pretty sure we could take care of basic medical care.

Way before anyone in the medical community used super glue to suture wounds I was using it on my boys who have a skin condition where their hands crack and won’t heal, a little super glue to stick it back together and the pain is gone and the healing begins.


111 posted on 05/12/2012 4:36:49 PM PDT by tiki
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To: goodwithagun
Find a local mentor. I can write something, but it doesn't mean anything until you get some hands-on help. Go to your local artesianal baker, buy some of his bread, make friends with him, and get him to help you. Beer will help with that part, generally. Most cooks are natural teachers.

/johnny

112 posted on 05/12/2012 4:37:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: stanne

http://www.cheaperthandirt.net/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=brand&gclid=CKCJnMX1-68CFQcEnQodOX45TQ
I got spare mags from cheaper than dirt they have lots of other goodies too


113 posted on 05/12/2012 4:39:09 PM PDT by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: Iron Munro

Your link goes to fish antibiotics. Are these safe for humans too?

I asked the question on another thread about the shelf life of insulin. Nobody seems to know. I know it has to be refrigerated and there are ways to keep it refrigerated but how does one stock up on it. This is a prescription drug and I doubt that you can get a 6 month supply from a doctor and would it even be good for that long even if it were refrigerated?


114 posted on 05/12/2012 4:39:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: KittenClaws
I’m expecting plenty of culinary disasters in a survival situation.

Everything tastes better with a can of tomatoes or pineapple mixed in. The sweetness and acid cut through fattiness, slight rancidity, utter blandness, toughness or bitterness.

115 posted on 05/12/2012 4:40:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: blam

Just who the hell do you think you are addressing fellow FReepers in this tone?

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I agree blam. If you don’t like the show, turn off the channel.


116 posted on 05/12/2012 4:40:54 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As storms were headed our way this week, I did what I usually do - do the laundry and the dishes, get dinner in the oven early and fill pitchers and buckets with water just in case the electricity goes off. Sad to say, most people won’t even prep for a few hours of no power. During one of our big floods, the neighborhood got together and even the old timers were clueless. They were shocked that I had the sense to figure out that we were going to flood and to do some common sense preps. Like, duh, they couldn’t put 2 + 2 together after the local news said the waters were coming??? One can only imagine if it were a prolonged major emergency.


117 posted on 05/12/2012 4:41:14 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Freddd; reformedliberal
It is true that most shelf life numbers are pure garbage. Most work out to be a 'best if used before' date.

That said, if beans get older than 2 years, it does take some extra time and effort to make a great meal out of them.

/johnny

118 posted on 05/12/2012 4:43:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks.

4-person 9-month Emergency Food Storage with Goal Zero® 150 Escape Power Kit
36 - 1 Month Chef’s Banquet ARK Buckets 11,880 Total Servings

$3,199.99
After $400 OFF

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11760716


119 posted on 05/12/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: blam

Learn to eat more simply and SHORTEN THE SHOPPING LIST. If you get in some cash, be sure to make it several SMALL bills that would more likely accommodate getting change back if the cash registers go down - ones, fives, tens, and some nickels, dimes, quarters, but don’t go overboard.

We live in the sticks and have a well; we’re used to the water, and it’s actually okay - it’s a bit sulfur, heavy iron content - am thankful for it. Husband fixed a manual well bucket of sorts. We stored some fairly simple stuff. You don’t have to have the gourmet things that we’ve been spoiled to.

When I was a kid, we had a well and an outdoor toilet. Used the Sears & Roebuck catalog for toilet paper. Ate white beans and potatoes and cornbread, and beans, potatoes and cornbread the next. The chickens produced eggs, but in an emergency situation, feeding chickens might be a hardship. Some powdered eggs would have to suffice. We had a bit of country sausage and bacon, also cornflakes with a bit of milk from grandmother’s cow.

Simplify, simplify, and then, simplify simplification!


120 posted on 05/12/2012 4:44:42 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Albion Wilde

Got the pineapple!

I love the stuff.

Have also olive oil, peanut oil, corn syrup, molasses and honey!

I think canned fruits, jellies and jams will lift spirits during hard times. Surely you agreee?


121 posted on 05/12/2012 4:45:56 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: yarddog
The main problem I would have here is heat during the Summer. I have plenty of water around me

Take a swim.

122 posted on 05/12/2012 4:47:49 PM PDT by bgill
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To: KittenClaws; blam; Kartographer

” I agree blam. If you don’t like the show, turn off the channel. “

There are a half-dozen or so of these ‘children’ (chronoligical age irrelevant) who apparently have no life beyond haunting ‘prepper’ threads and wasting time, bandwidth, and patience spewing their garbage...

I guess it makes ‘em feel ‘big’ somehow....

I think Kartographer has managed to purge most of them from his ‘prepper’ ping list, but they manage to search us out anyway...


123 posted on 05/12/2012 4:51:28 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: blam

Bookmark for later.


124 posted on 05/12/2012 4:52:58 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: tiki
I agree with you about reorganizing, repurposing, making do and people helping people, we are Americans and we know how to survive and will do fine but it won’t hurt that there are people out there who won’t need help.

I can't disagree with any of this. Being prepared is good when it's about being responsible for yourself and as part of being responsible for your community. It's bad when it's about hoping for doom and humiliation for everyone else.

125 posted on 05/12/2012 4:53:08 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: blam

Bookmark for later.


126 posted on 05/12/2012 4:53:18 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: stanne

Okay, the 9mm mag is pretty easy to find. If you’re in a state where they have gun shows, suggest you “google” the gun show dates/times/places near you. For example: “Florida gun and knife show”...if you life in Florida. You’ll find that many states have two or three different named shows that move around the state from weekend to weekend. You won’t have any trouble finding (or filling) mags at a show.

There are a lot of “prepper lists” available that you can find by “googling” for them. I’d suggest you start.


127 posted on 05/12/2012 4:55:52 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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To: KittenClaws
I think canned fruits, jellies and jams will lift spirits during hard times. Surely you agreee?

Mmmmm...I do agree! In fact, I will be jonesing for coffee and chocolate if the SHTF. As for your list, just be sure to keep your oils as cool as possible -- in a dark basement or wherever. They can turn rancid even before you smell it, and then they destroy vitamin E in your body.

128 posted on 05/12/2012 4:55:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: KittenClaws
Canned fruits, jellies and jams will lift the spirits. In more ways than one. Sugar gives that little blood-sugar kick that can help when things are harsh.

Of course, spirits can also lift the spirits, if you imbibe and know how to produce it. ;)

/johnny

129 posted on 05/12/2012 4:56:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

I’m thinking biker gang types will make it.


130 posted on 05/12/2012 4:56:14 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Ronald_Magnus; Kartographer; ChocChipCookie
"I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks."

Kartographer or ChocChipCookie would probably have the best advice. I pinged them to this thread.

131 posted on 05/12/2012 4:57:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Oh, are prepper threads like religious threads where no criticism is allowed?


132 posted on 05/12/2012 4:59:17 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Ronald_Magnus

My opinion is, don’t buy it unless you are willing to eat it up slowly over the next couple of years.

In other words, I think it’s wiser to buy foods that you’d eat anyway. Cans of corn, cans of pineapple, cans of tuna, for example, all get eaten up pretty quickly here. Same with rice and flour and canned milk.

So I’d stock up on those and similar items. Then, eat a bit of it each week, and replenish from behind.

Otherwise, you are out $4,000 for that 9 month kit that contains a bunch of food no one in your family wants to eat unless a major disaster occurs. That, it seems to me, is a huge waste of money.


133 posted on 05/12/2012 5:01:14 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Just another Joe
I've been thinking of using canna leaves for tp in an emergency. Check this out:

The canna rhizome is rich in starch, and it has many uses in agriculture. All of the plant has commercial value, rhizomes for starch (consumption by humans and livestock), stems and foliage for animal fodder, young shoots as a vegetable and young seeds as an addition to tortillas. The seeds are used as beads in jewelry.[12] The seeds are used as the mobile elements of the kayamb, a musical instrument from Réunion, as well as the hosho, a gourd rattle from Zimbabwe, where the seeds are known as "hota" seeds. In more remote regions of India, cannas are fermented to produce alcohol.[13] The plant yields a fibre—from the stem—it is used as a jute substitute.[14] A fibre obtained from the leaves is used for making paper. The leaves are harvested in late summer after the plant has flowered, they are scraped to remove the outer skin and are then soaked in water for 2 hours prior to cooking. The fibres are cooked for 24 hours with lye and then beaten in a blender. They make a light tan brown paper.[14] A purple dye is obtained from the seed.[14] Smoke from the burning leaves is said to be insecticidal.[14] Cannas are used to extract many undesirable pollutants in a wetland environment as they have a high tolerance to contaminants.[15][16] In Thailand, Cannas are a traditional gift for Father's Day. In Vietnam, canna is called dong riềng and its starch is used to make cellophane noodles known as miến dong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canna_(plant)

134 posted on 05/12/2012 5:01:24 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Yardstick
It's bad when it's about hoping for doom and humiliation for everyone else.

Where has there been any of that on this thread?

If you don't have something constructive to add to the thread, why bother? Go elsewhere.

/johnny

135 posted on 05/12/2012 5:02:04 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: WKUHilltopper
I’m thinking biker gang types will make it.

Right up until I cook a meal for them. ;)

/johnny

136 posted on 05/12/2012 5:03:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tbw2

If you can “pour” it into a sewer, you can pour it into a toilet.

A toilet can be “flushed” with a bucket of water.


137 posted on 05/12/2012 5:03:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1raider1
Simple answer: There are a lot more NP than you. They will eventually overwhelm any defense you have.

You remind me of a saying that my wonderful grandfather used to favor..."Can't never could do nothing!"

The prepper has TONS of factors that may be on his/her side against the biggest groups. And, a serious prepper never expects a certain outcome - they're just working to bring the risk to an acceptable level.

To the prepper, leaving one's head on the chopping block is just not an acceptable level of risk; and to the religious prepper "God helps them who help themselves".

138 posted on 05/12/2012 5:03:42 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Organizational prepping (like at a church level) is, I’d think, better than so many loner efforts.

I've often thought that a church is one of the best opportunities for prepping.

139 posted on 05/12/2012 5:05:39 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: buffaloguy

Until some moron decides to set the refineries on fire.


140 posted on 05/12/2012 5:06:11 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Uncle Ike
"There are a half-dozen or so of these ‘children’ (chronoligical age irrelevant) who apparently have no life beyond haunting ‘prepper’ threads and wasting time, bandwidth, and patience spewing their garbage..."

I do have to chuckle though when the stupid show up to set me straight.

I'm off for a card game with friends now. Later.

141 posted on 05/12/2012 5:06:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I have not gone crazy with the prepper stuff, but I do have emergency supplies on hand. No one can prepare for every possible scenario that might happen. Having survival skills, the ability to hunt for food, protect your family, and acquire the resources required for survival, you will do fine.

I am most concerned about November when Obama gets voted out. I am predicting mass riots, and all out war on white people. I have been stocking up on ammo, and sharpening my firearms skills.

Someone mentioned TP in an earlier post, "Why TP?" Why not? If I am going to be holed up in the house for extended time, my girls are going to want TP. It is a luxury item, that will not spoil.

142 posted on 05/12/2012 5:07:34 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

“I’ve never done any food prepping, so could someone tell me if this is a decent product at a decent price? Thanks.”
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$3200 for 9 months might be OK, but most likely ONLY in a very limited situation, like being stranded on a mountain
or island.
In case of civil disruption, however, it would be unlikely that you would get to use it, unless you have a private army to protect you.


143 posted on 05/12/2012 5:09:24 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: yarddog

I’ve run an AC for two weeks on a generator, but if it’s a real SHTF just get used to the heat. AC is not a necessity.


144 posted on 05/12/2012 5:10:42 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: AlexW
like being stranded on a mountain or island.

Or after the stock market crash of 2008. I survived on stored food for quite a while after that.

/johnny

145 posted on 05/12/2012 5:13:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Yardstick
already existing communities and associations step up and mobilize to make sure needs are met.

Yes, existing communities in ghettos will definitely step up and mobilize to make sure THEIR needs are met - at your expense. How do you think those gangbangers are going to act? They will see the SHTF situation as a blank check for unlimited burglary and murder. Humans have the instinct of domination and aggression, not of cooperation (that would be ants.)

The police will disappear almost instantly. Police officers have their own families to protect - and they understand that after TSHTF their own life in the street will be very short. Police does not have overwhelming numbers. Police wins against criminals today only because police can quickly summon tens of officers to a single crime scene. If there are 100 crimes committed at the same time in the same town the police will be unable to respond to all crime scenes. But if you encounter a group of LEOs after TSHTF they will be more dangerous than a street gang.

146 posted on 05/12/2012 5:15:38 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Marcella

bookmark


147 posted on 05/12/2012 5:16:31 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: DYngbld

“Someone mentioned TP in an earlier post, “Why TP?” Why not?”
__________________________________________

Here in the Philippines, toilet paper is not widely used, except by expats and tourist.
The Filipinos use water, and if you think about it, it can be much cleaner.


148 posted on 05/12/2012 5:16:38 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: stanne
Anyway, any advise on a stove and/or water purification system?

Regarding water purification, I think the most important (and cheapest) thing you can do is to acquire and store a few pounds of calcium hypochlorite. Along with storing it properly and saving hardcopy instructions for using it to make bleach, and using that bleach to purify water.

The "Big Berkey" water filters have the best reputation, however you should still test them by filtering some water that is dyed with food coloring. I also think the Ceragrav filters are a very good, lower cost alternative. Finally, the Katadyne filters have some excellent characteristics.

If you do the math, however, the Berkey filters process the most water for the lowest number of dollars.

These guys ( http://www.zenwateronline.com/water-filtration.php ) also look promising for a more limited budget.

149 posted on 05/12/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: JRandomFreeper
Where has there been any of that on this thread?

Did you not read the original post? The whole middle section listing the horrors those people, the "NPs", will suffer because of their trifling ways when the SHTF is like something out of Dante. It positively revels in their suffering.

150 posted on 05/12/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by Yardstick
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