Evangelicals: Mitt Romney hit right note

Politico ^ | 5/12/2012 | Ginger Gibson

[svxdave]

LYNCHBURG, Va. — Evangelical leaders praised Mitt Romney’s speech today at Liberty University, saying that the Mormon candidate was right to acknowledge his religious differences with other Christian voters.

“It was an acknowledgment that the issues that social conservatives and evangelicals care about are important issues to Gov. Romney and as he sees them [as] part of a successful economic platform for the country,” said Family Research Council President Tony Perkins.

Perkins added that there wasn’t anything the presumptive GOP presidential nominee — who many evangelical voters regarded with skepticism during the primary while backing Rick Santorum — should have done differently. And he pointed to the huge opportunity created for Romney by President Barack Obama’s endorsement of same-sex marriage this week (Romney opposes gay marriage).

“I think he touched on the key issues that are important to social conservatives. He mentioned Rick Santorum and Rick’s emphasis and the need to have the family and the ties to economic success.” (See also: 10 essential facts about Liberty U.)

Regarding Romney’s acknowledgement that Mormonism differs from other Christian faiths in certain ways, Perkins said the candidate was correct to tackle the issue.

“That was what he needed to do, was to acknowledge that there are theological differences between him and evangelicals,” Perkins said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76233.html#ixzz1uhJgxVy5

[Elsie]

So Christians have to accept Hinduism and Scientology as Christian religions, all religions and cults are Christian, or at least so, if they want to claim it?

tually, your post 73 is the weakest point of your argument, almost to the point of being offensively obtuse. Neither Scientologists nor Hindus acknowledge Christ as their Savior, Mormons do.

Did Ansel REALLY say thaT???

[EternalVigilance]

Well, you can start with the link I posted back up the thread.

http://massresistance.org/romney/#buyoff

[Elsie]

Neither Scientologists nor Hindus acknowledge Christ as their Savior, Mormons do.

Not the CHRIST as described in the BIBLE; but the christ as described by the religious organization based in Salt Lake City, Utah.

[Elsie]

Not the CHRIST as described in the BIBLE; but the christ as described by the religious organization based in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Let's cut the bullcrap!

MORMONs!!

Does your 'christ' cover ALL human sins (other than blasphemy against the Holy Ghost) or not??

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[EternalVigilance]

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/print.php?&ArticleID=3055

[Elsie]

Dont feel bad the foaming at the mouth idiots here have destroyed the site and are less than 1% of the conservative voting block.

PLEASE!

Do NOT offend the MORMONs with descriptions like this any more!

FR needs their money DESPARATELY or it will have to fold!

[EternalVigilance]

By the way, anything you can see has to be only a tiny tip of a huge iceberg. For example, the $10 million anonymous donation that was given to Karl Rove’s 501c4 late last year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mystery-donor-gives-10-million-to-crossroads-gps-group-to-run-anti-obama-ads/2012/04/13/gIQAzdtdFT_story.html

God only knows who has benefited from the largesse of Romney’s very wealthy supporters like Mark DeMoss and others.

[Elsie]

How would they rate, for example, “Assemblies of Yahweh”, or “Kimbanguism”?

They got a candidate?

We are vetting the heresy called MORMONism.

Want to join the conversation or drag red herrings across the path?

[Elsie]

...than sending me hate mail on the back channel messages.

I wonder why they choose NOT to vent their spleen in full view of the world?

[Elsie]

Psalm 2:1

Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?

[Elsie]

How about a good tip, go to work

Too late: too old.

[RetiredArmy]

He may or may not allow for those differences. However, He does not allow any other way but Him. It is either Him or down. That simple. People just refuse to believe that. They think when we die, we are just dead and dust. I can only say to them that they had better be right. Immediately upon death, they are going to know for sure if they were correct or not. We are told time and time again in the Scriptures the only way is through Him. And, what the results of that rejection would be.

All one needs to do is read the beginning verses of Matthew and then read Romans Chapter 1 to see the signs of the times. If you read those, you will immediately see that exactly what was predicted in those scriptures are happening right this very minutes on this planet. That shows me that He is alive and that He is soon to return. Those lost, such as Mormons and any others that have rejected His free offer of grace, will be rejected at the Great White Throne of Judgment. I offer these opinions of the scriptures in an attempt to get people to think. Then it is the Holy Spirit's job to convict them. We humans cannot do that. What Mormons and those other non-believers believe are only going to transmit their souls to hell. The scriptures say that, not me. Good day to you and God bless.

[Elsie]

Speaking of haughty presumption...

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MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 

                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

 

 

Revision 46.5

Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.

All rights liable to be abused.

[Elsie]

I also doubt that I need a Joseph Smith or a Mohammad to be an intermediate between me and my God.

Many (most?) in MORMONism would NEVER make a claim like THAT!!!

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.

He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.

He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.

As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.

Who has made this so?

Have I?

Have this people?

Have the world?

No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.

If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.

If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.

Can you pass without his inspection?

No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.

In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.

They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?

They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?

 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224

[Elsie]

From your response I don’t think you are the person I would go to for getting up to speed as to any different societal differences between the people of the Mayflower Compact and the people of the colonies that formed our Constitution.

Oh?

I merely showed where reference to a GOD was supported by historical facts.

From your response I had assumed (I know...) that you were going to come on to the revisionist 'fact' that this is NOT a 'christian' nation.

I may have misjudged your intentions.

[ansel12]

Here is the proof that Romney has been pouring money into the Republican satellite conservative organizations since before the last presidential election.

All of these links are from the last election cycle, 2008.

In Romney’s Bid, His Wallet Opens to the Right
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/us/politics/11romney.html?_r=4&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Scroll way down-to contribute lavishly to several national pro-life groups, the Federalist Society, the National Review, and the Heritage Foundation, among others.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/11/0081773

Mitt Romney Buys Conservative Support
http://science.blogdig.net/archives/articles/March2007/10/Mitt_Romney_Buys_Conservative_Support.html

A collection here
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/romney-pac-donates-to-sc-groups/#more-2808

[Elsie]

... it was a foundation for the religion that he prominently represents and speaks for...

Indeed, that marriage idea was a BIG concern for the ones who split off from the fearful bunch that fled to SLC. (Didja ever wonder why THEY weren't SLAUGHTERED!!! by them nasty Missourians?)

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Not only WAS a 'foundation' for Utah MORMONism, but it is STILL on the books: their 'holy' scripture!

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It would scare the HELL out of me if I were an SLC mormon; after reading what Prophet #2 had to say about it!

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[Elsie]

All three praised the speech....

By GOD!!

That seals it for me!!

AMERICA!!!!

Vote for the Deceived MORMON!!!

[Elsie]

How can you deny that a man who publicly accepts Christ is a Christian?

Good Question!!

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Matthew 24:24

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

 

 

Yes; MORMONs worship the christ of the bible all right!

[Elsie]

How can you deny that a man who publicly accepts Christ is a Christian?

It is obvious to me, that you have very little knowledge of how MORMONism describes 'christ'.

I'm sure by tomorrow (gotta be nice to MOM today) others will be on/in this thread, with quite graphic descriptions that I can only allude to right now.