Skip to comments.Evangelicals: Mitt Romney hit right note
Posted on 05/12/2012 3:38:57 PM PDT by svxdave
LYNCHBURG, Va. Evangelical leaders praised Mitt Romneys speech today at Liberty University, saying that the Mormon candidate was right to acknowledge his religious differences with other Christian voters.
It was an acknowledgment that the issues that social conservatives and evangelicals care about are important issues to Gov. Romney and as he sees them [as] part of a successful economic platform for the country, said Family Research Council President Tony Perkins.
Perkins added that there wasnt anything the presumptive GOP presidential nominee who many evangelical voters regarded with skepticism during the primary while backing Rick Santorum should have done differently. And he pointed to the huge opportunity created for Romney by President Barack Obamas endorsement of same-sex marriage this week (Romney opposes gay marriage).
I think he touched on the key issues that are important to social conservatives. He mentioned Rick Santorum and Ricks emphasis and the need to have the family and the ties to economic success. (See also: 10 essential facts about Liberty U.)
Regarding Romneys acknowledgement that Mormonism differs from other Christian faiths in certain ways, Perkins said the candidate was correct to tackle the issue.
That was what he needed to do, was to acknowledge that there are theological differences between him and evangelicals, Perkins said.
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Actually, I haven't liked any kind of yam. I guess I haven't tried a rogue one yet. What color are they?
The most passionate that I have ever seen Mitt Romney was when he was pushing abortion, you should see him here, he explodes with passion.
Maybe, in your opinion. Certainly, though, he is far to the right of Brarack Obama.
..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"
....you know, like staying home or writing in someone's name which is the same thing as affirmatively, voting for the closest most of us will ever come to WITNESSING PURE EVIL while still alive...Barack, Barry, Hussein, Soetoro, Obama.
"Oh yeah, we'll stand on 'PRINCIPLES' and show them what's what, then in 2016, we will really, REALLY, work to elect a true Conservative....."
Yeah, right, provided there is still a United States of America left as we used to know it.
THEM: Oh, don't worry, we will keep the House and take the Senate and that way, we will keep Dear Leader in check.
Oh course you will with the Weeper of the House (Bone-er) and wuss, RINO extraodinaire and he who is afraid of his own shadow, Mitch McConnell leading the charge.
Mmm, mmm, mmm!
The yams I use in my Thanksgiving Yam dish are a peach color and with a brown sugar and pecan mixture added taste quite delicious— almost sweet enough to be called a desert.
But a rogue yam, that’s something I like just because of the two words put together. I don’t think I could ever eat one. Especially because the one hanging out on this board has some pretty good posts!
See post 40 for a voice on Mormonism, as being Christian.
Well RA, since so many people here want to slam on you for pointing out a simple truth, I feel compelled to back you up.
Words mean things. The word “Christian” means “Of Christ”. The Bible is the book that Christians follow as the word of God. A Christian is a believer in the Bible. A Christian, by definition does not put the Book of Mormon, War and Peace or any other literary work at the forefront of their belief.
General comment: If anyone wants to address these issues without resorting to the leftist charge of “Bigotry”, lets have that conversation. But do not insult the intelligence of any thinking person by saying a group of people who follow an interpretation of Christianity at odds with the teachings of the Bible are “Christian”.
That’s not a statement of bigotry. It’s a fact.
Further, I find it pathetic that people perfectly comfortable with slamming Obama, Romney et all for living in fantasyland and rewriting history are seemingly comfortable with rewriting what Christianity itself “IS”. At no point in the Bible, the very basis of Christianity, does it say that we become Gods. A Christian cannot by definition believe in, much less ‘become’ any such God.
"Today, thanks to what you have gained here, you leave Liberty with conviction and confidence as your armor. You know what you believe. You know who you are. And you know Whom you will serve. Not all colleges instill that kind of confidence, but it will be among the most prized qualities from your education here. Moral certainty, clear standards, and a commitment to spiritual ideals will set you apart in a world that searches for meaning.
That said, your values will not always be the object of public admiration. In fact, the more you live by your beliefs, the more you will endure the censure of the world. Christianity is not the faith of the complacent, the comfortable or of the timid. It demands and creates heroic souls like Wesley, Wilberforce, Bonhoeffer, John Paul the Second, and Billy Graham. Each showed, in their own way, the relentless and powerful influence of the message of Jesus Christ. May that be your guide.
You enter a world with civilizations and economies that are far from equal. Harvard historian David Landes devoted his lifelong study to understanding why some civilizations rise, and why others falter. His conclusion: Culture makes all the difference. Not natural resources, not geography, but what people believe and value. Central to Americas rise to global leadership is our Judeo-Christian tradition, with its vision of the goodness and possibilities of every life.
The American culture promotes personal responsibility, the dignity of work, the value of education, the merit of service, devotion to a purpose greater than self, and, at the foundation, the pre-eminence of the family.
The power of these values is evidenced by a Brookings Institution study that Senator Rick Santorum brought to my attention. For those who graduate from high school, get a full-time job, and marry before they have their first child, the probability that they will be poor is 2%. But, if those things are absent, 76% will be poor. Culture matters.
As fundamental as these principles are, they may become topics of democratic debate. So it is today with the enduring institution of marriage. Marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman.
The protection of religious freedom has also become a matter of debate. It strikes me as odd that the free exercise of religious faith is sometimes treated as a problem, something America is stuck with instead of blessed with. Perhaps religious conscience upsets the designs of those who feel that the highest wisdom and authority comes from government.
But from the beginning, this nation trusted in God, not man. Religious liberty is the first freedom in our Constitution. And whether the cause is justice for the persecuted, compassion for the needy and the sick, or mercy for the child waiting to be born, there is no greater force for good in the nation than Christian conscience in action."
People of different faiths, like yours and mine, sometimes wonder where we can meet in common purpose, when there are so many differences in creed and theology. Surely the answer is that we can meet in service, in shared moral convictions about our nation stemming from a common worldview.
I don’t have a “common worldview” with an abortion-enabler and homosexual lover.
This sinner can't define "truth" either. I'm surprised that you think you can.
I am just at a loss to understand why anyone would believe all this. The golden plates, the angel Moroni, the nonsense about the twelve tribes coming to the US, the absurd story about God and Mary, other planets, Satan—why?
Sure. No problem there. But that’s not my point. Heck, he’s even admitting he’s of a different faith. He, as a Mormon, is saying to a Christian audience “People of different faiths, like yours and mine,”.
I’m not saying Mormons are some vile, evil thing. Nor do I dislike them. They are free to believe as they will and I’m 100% fine with that. I’m saying that they are not Christian by the definition of the term. That’s all. Mitt seems to agree.
As I said "Most of us sinners are not qualified to make this judgement". Actually, I think that ALL of us sinners are NOT qualified to make this judgement.
It’s not “I think I can”. It’s reading a book and understanding the clear words therein. If I’m mistaken in my above positions, please tell me where and I will correct my statement.
That's a fair point. It's also a fair point that it is more natural to govern as a somewhat conservative Dimocrat in Georgia or Arkansas than as a Republican in Massachusetts, however moderate he may be.
Our goals are ejecting Obama from the White House, keeping the House and booting Reed out of the Leader office. I am heartened by the reviews of Romney's speech before the evangelicals. This was a major test.
I didn't say you were mistaken, I said you (and I) were not qualified to be the judge. Only God is the judge.
Many, many years ago, I had a dear, close family relative that was very close to me who passed away from an illegal abortion. It is since that time that my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter. And you will not see me wavering on that.
So, you are a Catholic? A lot of Christians don’t consider the Catholic church Christian either. I guess it is whose proclamation you get out? It seems to me Christ is the only arbiter. So, I would just be careful.
But I’m not judging. Judgement requires opinion. It’s not my opinion that Mormons are not Christian. Mormons are Mormons because they follow Mormonism. Christians are Christians because they follow Christ/the Bible. These are two different things. Opinion or judgement play no role.
Mormonism and Christianity are not the same. The theology differs, the history differs, the beliefs differ. My favorite Lincoln quote sums it up...”How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Answer, “4”. Calling a tail a leg does not make it one”.
So Christians have to accept Hinduism and Scientology as Christian religions, all religions and cults are Christian, or at least so, if they want to claim it?
You don’t accept the Catholic church, the Baptists, the Methodists, the Greek Orthodox, the Lutherans, and so on when they all agree that Mormonism is not a Christian religion?
The ignorance of the LDS church is apparent here. Romney, even if he were called to be an Apostle would have at least 14 people ahead of him (and several younger than 65). I do not think “candidate” is a position. However, there was one Apostle than was Secretary of Agriculture which was a government position. Romney is not now a Bishop, although he has been one nor is he a Stake President, although he has been one.
Hey, Romney'll never lie, right?
See post 73, if you are a member of a Christian church, Protestant, or Catholic, then they agree that Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
I am simply "accepting" that I am not qualified to judge others.
You think that Bishop Romney’s climb in the religion is over and done with?
You know by defining Christianity by a 4th century creed leaves out the early Christians as they had no creed to go by at the time, but they thought they were Christians. I guess they thought wrong.
Ansel, who’d have ever thought you and I would be on the same side of an argument ? ;)
IOW it was pure political bullshit.
But, you are!
I just said he cannot live long enough to be the Prophet. He may get called to something but out living 14 Apostles is probably not likely.
Then why are you as an individual, insisting to all the Christian denominations who say that it isn’t, that Mormonism is a Christian church?
I tried to watch a few seconds of Romney’s speech, I couldn’t take it. I feel sorry for the kids who has to sit through the whole, long-winded thing.
Who are you to judge that Mormonism is Christian?
So Romney is expected to rise within the religion, and he will become a God at some point.
I know I am a sinner. That has absolutely nothing to do with the subject.
This is simple. There is no Book of Mormon in any accepted branch of Christian belief. No other branch of Christian belief has anything comparable. An Eastern Orthadox and a Southern Baptist share core beliefs. They both follow the Bible. A Roman Catholic and a churchless man at home with a Bible share core beliefs though they may differ on the need for Sunday mass.
But a Mormon believes a core doctrine different from all those. That is not debatable. He places the Book of Mormon in the pathway of Biblical teaching. That too is not debatable.
You cannot believe something in opposition to something else and call yourself both. That is insanity. Or lying to one’s self.
You need a dictionary. What I’m doing is stating a fact backed by logical example.
If you would only read what I said, is that "I am NOT QUALIFIED TO JUDGE". I'm surprised that you think that you are.
Sure. Pimping out orphans to deviants is really moral.
But you are passing judgment on those of us who ARE Qualified to judge whether or not Mormonism is or is not Christian. Mormonism is no more Christian than Islam is Christian. One cannot be a Muslim and a Christian. Likewise one cannot be a Mormon and be a Christian.
I am qualified to make that Judgment because I was born and raised a Mormon and I have since left the Mormon Church and I later became a Christian.
Mormonism is not Christian.
You are not qualified to judge me for saying so. Since you are clearly admitting that you are not qualified to make the judgment, I'd suggest that you stop judging those of us who are.
The Book of Mormon was not given to other groups. So, what is your point? It is available for reading and study, but I doubt whole religions in mass will adopt it. We don’t anticipate that happening and by the way we use the King James Bible, so what bible did you think we were reading and following? We worship the risen Christ of the Bible. At least,that seems to be the only Bible I see in church, if fact when I was a protestant I used that Bible.
I am not saying anything other than that I cannot judge who is a Christian." Can you?
That is one of the images that comes to mind when I think of Mittens.
I do agree that Protestants are not Mormons. And, Mormons are not Protestants or Catholics. I am really smart.
You either are ignorant of, or willfully intent to accept the fact that in Christianity/the Bible, You have God, and the Son of God, Jesus Christ. There are no men becoming Gods. There are no planets for us to rule.
Do you deny that? You can, but there is no point. The Book of Mormon teaches things in opposition to the Bible. The Mormon faith possesses a different core doctrine than Christianity. That’s a fact. I am sorry you choose to ignore that. You can call them the same until you turn blue but that’s not my problem. They are not. The facts, easily shown by a direct comparison between the teachings of the Bible and those of the BOM prove beyond doubt that they are not.
Believe whatever you like. Your soul, your business. Be a happy member of your faith. But that’s your faith. It is different from mine. That’s just the way it is. If you want to be a Christian, then follow the teachings of Christianity. Until that time, Peace be with you.