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Mexican officials report 49 bodies dumped on highway to US border
Washington Post ^ | May 13, 2012

Posted on 05/13/2012 12:10:24 PM PDT by Pinkbell

MONTERREY, Mexico — Forty-nine decapitated and mutilated bodies were found Sunday dumped on a highway connecting the northern Mexican metropolis of Monterrey to the U.S. border in what could be the latest outburst in an escalating war of terror among drug gangs.

Mexico’s organized crime groups often abandon multiple bodies in public places as warnings to their rivals, though Nuevo Leon state Attorney General Adrian de la Garza said he did not rule out the possibility that the victims were U.S.-bound migrants.

The bodies of the 43 men and six women were found in the town of San Juan on the non-toll highway to the border city of Reynosa at about 4 a.m. (5 a.m. EDT; 0900 GMT), forcing police and troops to close off the highway. Nuevo Leon state security spokesman Jorge Domene said at a news conference that a banner left at the site bore a message with the Zetas drug cartel taking responsibility for the massacre.

Domene said the fact the bodies were found with the heads, hands and feet cut off will make identification difficult. The bodies were being taken to Monterrey for DNA tests.

De la Garza said the victims could have been killed as long as two days ago at another location, then transported to San Juan, a town in Cadereyta municipality, about 105 miles (175 kilometers) west-southwest of McAllen, Texas, or 75 miles (125 kilometers) southwest of the Roma, Texas, border crossing.

Mexican drug cartels have been waging an increasingly bloody war to control smuggling routes, the local drug market and extortion rackets, including shakedowns of migrants seeking to reach the United States.

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The article goes on to detail the mass murders that have occured this month and prior to that within the past couple years. This truly is despicable. These people are subhuman monsters with an apparent sociopathic disregard for human life. People in the U.S. who are purchasing these drugs are helping to fuel this as well. Those drugs that they are buying are leading to the destruction of innocent human lives.

You couldn't get me to go to Mexico. I always wonder about people on various game or tv shows who win trips to Mexico. Are bodyguards provided?

1 posted on 05/13/2012 12:10:33 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Pinkbell

Ir drugs were legalized and regulated these cartels would be out of business. The cartels and drug enforcement agencies are united in not wanting that to happen.


2 posted on 05/13/2012 12:19:03 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Pinkbell

Not all of these victims are ‘innocent people’. Many of them are drug traffickers bound for the U.S. and some had drug gang tattoos on their bodies.


3 posted on 05/13/2012 12:20:41 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Pinkbell

I’m with you. Mexico has really deteriorated.

It’s our fault though, you know that right?

And btw, even if these guy were illegal migrants, WHO KILLED THEM?

The heads & hands missing is weird, I mean, if their murders are meant as a warning, don’t you want others to know who they are? And if they’re a bunch of poor schlub illegals, who cares?

Someone here said a while ago that this has very little to do with drugs or even general criminality. It has to do with Mexicans reverting to their ancient cultic behavior of human sacrifice, etc.

That made a lot of sense to me.

I think a serious tourist boycott might be a solution to these problems. I honestly don’t know who in their right mind would go there. We were almost going to go there a few years ago, long story short, we didn’t. Thank goodness!


4 posted on 05/13/2012 12:21:41 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Pinkbell

Possibly the 49 who helped dig a new tunnel under the border?


5 posted on 05/13/2012 12:25:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

I’m betting they weren’t killed by the Zetas, they keep their menagerie of lions fed on their victims.


6 posted on 05/13/2012 12:29:12 PM PDT by Segovia
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To: Hugin

If just pot were legalized, the resulting tax revenues might create a surplus, and the economy would be stimulated with a new, highly popular industry. Then there would be the savings in law enforcement, both in terms of cash costs and human capital. But noooooo. It has to stay illegal because it has to stay illegal because it has to stay illegal.


7 posted on 05/13/2012 12:30:32 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: jocon307
I think a serious tourist boycott might be a solution to these problems.

You're saying these people will stop chopping others to pieces once they realize it's bad for tourism?

8 posted on 05/13/2012 12:34:31 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Hugin

Along with trial lawyers, parole officers, drug councilors,etc etc cause they all make good money riding that horse.


9 posted on 05/13/2012 12:35:38 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher

Add to that the hundreds (thousands?) of street gangs in the USA that fund themselves through the drug trade.


10 posted on 05/13/2012 12:41:38 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Pinkbell

Scary.


11 posted on 05/13/2012 12:44:59 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: jocon307

If drugs were legalized where would these subhumans channel their barbaric energies?


12 posted on 05/13/2012 12:49:25 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Hugin

No they won’t. They just move on to other crimes, home invasion, kidnapping for ransom, human and arms smuggling, extortion, terrorist smuggling, espionage.


13 posted on 05/13/2012 12:50:00 PM PDT by Eagles6 (S)
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To: Pinkbell

Michelle Obama says its safe in Mexico.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/michelle-obama-mexico-safe-visit-10378381


14 posted on 05/13/2012 12:52:35 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: Eagles6
No they won’t. They just move on to other crimes, home invasion, kidnapping for ransom, human and arms smuggling, extortion, terrorist smuggling, espionage.

Some will, but it wouldn't make up for losing hundreds of billions of revenue. Besides they do all that anyway, but they are much better funded.

15 posted on 05/13/2012 12:54:00 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Pinkbell

It can get WORSE than anarchy..


16 posted on 05/13/2012 12:54:06 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Pinkbell
These killings and killings similar to them, resemble cultic slayings. Mexico is sick. There is more afoot than drugs down there.
17 posted on 05/13/2012 12:55:05 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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“Michelle Obama says its safe in Mexico.
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Then I think she should go there with out her massive security detail..


18 posted on 05/13/2012 1:05:53 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Hugin

Not a big difference between street thugs or gubmint thugs


19 posted on 05/13/2012 1:08:33 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Pinkbell

I’m so happy that the people from a country that has a culture like this has infiltrated the United States.

Since rabbits are jealous of their ability to reproduce, I’d say the US has about 15-20 years left until it becomes known as northern Mexico.

Please press 687 if by the small chance you happen to speak English.


20 posted on 05/13/2012 1:16:44 PM PDT by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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To: jocon307
I think a serious tourist boycott might be a solution to these problems.

I think an underground group of 1,000 vigilantes trained in Special Forces would help, along with movies detailing their successes.

21 posted on 05/13/2012 1:21:06 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Pinkbell

And the Administration doesn’t care whether the DOJ and ATF supplied the weaponry.


22 posted on 05/13/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: Pinkbell

How can that be? You mean to tell me that Fast and Furious ISN’T working? /heavy sarcasm


23 posted on 05/13/2012 1:54:10 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Pinkbell
“You couldn't get me to go to Mexico. I always wonder about people on various game or tv shows who win trips to Mexico.”

Liberals are intent on facilitating Mexico coming to you..

24 posted on 05/13/2012 1:56:46 PM PDT by I am bigjohn
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To: Pinkbell

Now let’s not lose our HEADS over this....


25 posted on 05/13/2012 2:04:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Eagles6
No they won’t. They just move on to other crimes

Right you are. When Prohibition ended, the mafia did not disappear. It just moved on to other crimes.

That's why it's too simplistic to think that everything would be so much better if drugs were legalized.

26 posted on 05/13/2012 2:05:39 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Hugin

Who knows if some other evil would come on the scene if drug dealing were not an issue. Maybe today’s would be evildoers would mostly be too stoned to do any harm.


27 posted on 05/13/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Leaning Right

Quite true that presented with nowhere to go, crime syndicates do not quietly bow out. It would have been better to have left the control of all medications in the purview of doctors, and the likes of the Zetas would never have been seen. However with much effort the Mafia has been pushed down to near nothingness today. It is fortunate that they never got heavily into the drug trade, or it would be a different story.


28 posted on 05/13/2012 2:09:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Pinkbell

49 more that won’t come here....


29 posted on 05/13/2012 2:15:45 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Eleutheria5
If just pot were legalized, the resulting tax revenues might create a surplus, and the economy would be stimulated with a new, highly popular industry. Then there would be the savings in law enforcement, both in terms of cash costs and human capital. But noooooo. It has to stay illegal because it has to stay illegal because it has to stay illegal.

How exactly does the US gov't regulate the cartels if pot becomes legal? You believe the violence and all that just magically disappears? Please explain exactly how legalizing pot just POOF cures all drug problems. I mean explain how law-policy-import-export-regulation-distribution would be handled in such a way that the whole world drug trade would magically cease to exist and all the corruption and death would cease to exist with it. Exactly how would that happen?
30 posted on 05/13/2012 2:16:51 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a

I can see a day where pot is legal in this country, but I don’t envision the legalization of harder drugs like meth, cocaine and heroin. The cartels will simply shift their focus to the remaining illegal drugs.


31 posted on 05/13/2012 2:23:23 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: brent13a

The cartels would be eliminated as a supplier. Instead, it could be grown and cured domestically, and distributed to bars and smoke shops, the same as liquor (also formerly illegal) and tobacco. Taxes would be collected, and the domestically grown and distributed product could be regulated to keep it out of the hands of minors.

The international drug problem would not “magically disappear,” but pot would no longer be a part of it. And that would also make it easier to deal with the harder substances, such as meth, crack, coke, heroine and ecstacy, because the DEA, FBI and related agencies would no longer have to run around after pot traffickers. The illicit growers, smugglers and tax evading distributors could be handled by the ATF, which also handles the same enforcement problems for alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

The new industry would be an economic stimulant, and generate tax revenues. Law enforcement costs would be reduced. Perhaps even demand for the harder substances would be reduced, because pot would be available and legal, just as rot gut liquor became less in demand after Prohibition ended and consumers could finally buy beer.


32 posted on 05/13/2012 2:26:49 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Leaning Right

Yep.


33 posted on 05/13/2012 2:37:11 PM PDT by Eagles6 (S)
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To: Eleutheria5
The cartels would be eliminated as a supplier. Instead, it could be grown and cured domestically, and distributed to bars and smoke shops, the same as liquor (also formerly illegal) and tobacco.

and then the cartels, which have billions upon billions and their own armies go to war directly with the US Gov't. You don't think that the cartels will be willing to double their overhead to make the same yearly money, undercutting the "legal" trade? The cartels' import channels are already set and far cheaper to operate than anything the US Gov't could provide.

The ATF and the US Gov't can't handle things now, let alone when they have to add a whole other industry to their regulations.

All it would do is bring directed violence, even war-level, directly across the border and you would have 49 decapitated bodies swinging from bridges in Joplin, MO and body dumps in Evansville, IN.

A directed decriminalization of personal use amounts would clear out a lot of prisons and court-systems. But legalizing it piecemeal solves absolutely nothing.
34 posted on 05/13/2012 2:39:02 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: Cementjungle
The cartels will simply shift their focus to the remaining illegal drugs.

So what does piecemeal legalization of one drug solve exactly if it doesn't get rid of the violence, corruption, and death?
35 posted on 05/13/2012 2:51:45 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a

“and then the cartels, which have billions upon billions and their own armies go to war directly with the US Gov’t. You don’t think that the cartels will be willing to double their overhead to make the same yearly money, undercutting the “legal” trade? The cartels’ import channels are already set and far cheaper to operate than anything the US Gov’t could provide.”

They wouldn’t go to war over pot, not while they still have their illegal trade in meth, coke, heroine, etc. If they would, then the very least thing we have to worry about is whether pot is legal, and the US government should go to war immediately with the cartels just because they are a threat.

The cartels’ import channels are cheaper than the US-provided import channels, but who’s talking about importing? It can be grown domestically. Indoor growing can produce a higher-quality product than outdoor growing, but vast tracts of farmland are available for the latter, tracts that are currently devoted to government-subsidized tobacco crops. This is a cash crop that pays for itself without the need for a federal subsidy. At present, the inflating expense in growing pot domestically is in evading law enforcement. Once that is eliminated, there is only the ordinary cost of cultivation. Private industry is more efficient than anything the federal government can provide, and the cartels are living proof of that. Take away pot, and the cartels still exist, but they no longer have pot. If legalization works there, perhaps hashish and law-concentration opiates can be added.


36 posted on 05/13/2012 2:54:41 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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So what does piecemeal legalization of one drug solve exactly if it doesn't get rid of the violence, corruption, and death?

Nothing really.

37 posted on 05/13/2012 2:57:13 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Eleutheria5
the same as liquor (also formerly illegal)

I'm sorry but the international drug cartels of today are NOTHING like the mobsters of your great-grandparents' era.

The international drug cartels are just a bit larger, richer, more connected, and ruthless than the moonshine runners of yesteryear.
38 posted on 05/13/2012 2:57:59 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a

So why cure cancer, if you can’t eliminate death? It solves one thing: Pot trafficking, and that portion of the violence, corruption and death caused by it. It also eliminates a portion of the demand for the hard drugs, just as legalizing liquor eliminated a portion of the demand for wood alcohol and moonshine. Moonshine still is made and sold, but it’s a marginal industry now. There are no magic solutions. There are policies that mitigate problems, and policies that exacerbate them.


39 posted on 05/13/2012 2:59:06 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
It can be grown domestically.

and each 'field' burnt down by the cartels destroying domestic trade. Bringing all that violence and death here to the interior.
40 posted on 05/13/2012 3:00:27 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a

Then dealing with them is a separate problem, and pot is an unnecessary distraction to dealing with a larger problem.


41 posted on 05/13/2012 3:01:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

There you go, making sense and all that.


42 posted on 05/13/2012 3:02:36 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Eleutheria5

All drugs were decriminalized in Mexico over a year ago.

The violence hasn’t subsided.

Decriminalization and legalization merely reduce the justification for law enforcement to intervene in criminal behavior.


43 posted on 05/13/2012 3:02:36 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: brent13a

You mean, the US government has neither the courage nor the resources to keep the cartels from attacking Americans on their own soil? Why not just surrender, then. TR would hide his head in shame.


44 posted on 05/13/2012 3:03:43 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Cvengr

Allow me to point out that it is still illegal here. Legalize it here and good old fashioned American competition takes care of things.


45 posted on 05/13/2012 3:04:39 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it is the only answer.)
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You mean, the US government has neither the courage nor the resources to keep the cartels from attacking Americans on their own soil?

So letting law enforcement fight THAT violence, the same kind thats happening in Mexico now, is just fine is better that way....than NOT letting law enforcement actually fight the war more head-on NOW.

So in your estimation, bringing whats in Mexico now, within the interior of the US is a justifiable risk so long as we have legal pot?
46 posted on 05/13/2012 3:10:24 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: Cementjungle

About 5 years ago the cartels already announced their intentions of taking over all pharmaceutical corporations.

They are similar to organized crime from the 30s in La Cosa Nostra. After they developed the cities, migrating to building Las Vegas, then into corporate Amercia Entertainment Industry, they simply corrupt other avenues.

Unlike the US flavor of mafia, the cartels have a more Latino impression of politics. They don’t believe so much in God given inalienable rights, as much as they believe in El Heffe and the subservience to his power. They remain obedient to their interpretation of power, then when they believe they are seated with such authority, demand allegiance to their whims, becoming very incensed when those less powerful happen to act in any fashion they had not anticipated others would respond to their whims.


47 posted on 05/13/2012 3:11:34 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Lurker
good old fashioned American competition takes care of things.

But it's not just "good old fashioned American competition". It's American business competition (operating within the law of the land) competing against international businesses (who operate outside of all laws of all countries).
48 posted on 05/13/2012 3:13:25 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a

If the cartels are so super-duper powerful, that their threat of attacking American farmers for daring to grow a legal crop is sufficient to deter you, then you are no longer a super power. If the cartels are such a threat, you should be aggressively going after them, not forbidding the cultivation of canabas for fear they might cross the border. If Mexico is so helpless before the cartels, it is no longer a law enforcement problem, but a military one. If it were up to me, I’d legalize pot and DARE the cartels to cross the border. Not in spite of the threat, but BECAUSE of it.


49 posted on 05/13/2012 3:26:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Wow. If it were to be a policy such as that established by you, and my family was killed in the resulting crossfire, I would come after you and not the cartels.
It’s reckless thinking like that which has thrown Mexico back to the Aztec times, except now they also have Islamic terrorism training to boot.


50 posted on 05/13/2012 3:34:33 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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