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Gay Marriage and Facebook (Vanity)
Sporke

Posted on 05/13/2012 9:23:05 PM PDT by Sporke

I never post on Free Republic, although I come here everyday, but something has been bothering me and I'm not exactly sure how to handle it.

Ever since his holiness obama has made his gay marriage proclamation, my facebook feed has been inundated by posts from my gay friends about it.

I haven't responded to any of the posts, because I know it would be go over well. None of my friends responses by others has been anything except positive (from the gay point of view).

I'm smart enough to know that not everyone believes in gay marriage, and the ones who feel as I do just don't want to get involved because they don't feel the hassle is worth it.

My issue is that I'm sick to death reading those idiotic posts day after day. I'm fed up and I WILL respond eventually, but when I do, I want to do so calmly, and in a way where I won't come across as a homophobe. I know when I respond I'll lose at least half my gay friends, which sucks, but that's life I guess.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I could respond civily? I tend to think I'll leave religion out of it, because I want to come across rationally, and when religion gets into the mix, rationality goes out the window instantly.

I apologize for the lame post, I'm extremely new at this.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: facebook; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; vanity

1 posted on 05/13/2012 9:23:16 PM PDT by Sporke
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To: Sporke

Are they real life friends, or FB friends?

If the latter....just unfriend them! No matter WHAT you say...they’ll label you a phobe anyway.

Or, say your peace and THEN “unfriend” them.

If the former? They should already know how you feel.

My 2 cents....


2 posted on 05/13/2012 9:27:16 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Sporke
Unfortunately there is no response they would consider civil. It's there way or the highway.

BTW the vast majority of people of all ages highly disapprove of the gay agenda.

This has been repeatedly born out by popular elections.

3 posted on 05/13/2012 9:27:47 PM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: CyberSpartacus

The “gay” lifestyle is not reproductive. The population of the world diminishes with more and more “gays”. You don’t even have to mention religion. Approach it from a “mankind” point-of-view.


4 posted on 05/13/2012 9:34:05 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Sporke

Anything you say can, and most certainly will, be used against you on facebook. Best to leave it be.


5 posted on 05/13/2012 9:35:54 PM PDT by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: Sporke

Gay marriage is a civil rights issue:

It violates the establishment clause of the first amendment by using the government to change an establishment of religion: marriage

This means the civil rights of all religious groups is violated by government mandates for gay marriage.

Secondly

Gay marriage is not diverse. It is inherently sameness. It’s arguably embodied sexism.

Thirdly

Jesus does say something about gay marriage. In matthew 19 Jesus said God created them male and female and for this reason the two will become one flesh. Jesus defended marriage as rooted in diversity.


6 posted on 05/13/2012 9:37:28 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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Make use of the “hide this story” button.


7 posted on 05/13/2012 9:37:58 PM PDT by Jenny217
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To: Sporke
You are not alone my friend, that is happening to many more of us also. Some of them are Christians too but they have a lesbo daughter or gay son so feel they have to stick up for them. I have no idea what they do with the Bible verses in the old and new Testament declaring it sinful. I don't bring that up to them as some are family and I just don't want to start a family war.
8 posted on 05/13/2012 9:40:07 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Jenny217

Exactly. You can even unsubscribe from all their posts also.


9 posted on 05/13/2012 9:40:19 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

“Unsubscribe” from Facebook.


10 posted on 05/13/2012 9:44:01 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Sporke

This goes to show attitudes about this issue in the popular culture, and pressures brought to bear.

It’s considered okay nowadays to express support for homosexual marriage. It takes no courage to do so. There are no consequences for doing so.

But if you express support for traditional marriage, and express concern about how we define marriage and family, then you are labeled a “hater”, “bigot”, and worse. One faces consequences for exercising courage to express the viewpoint that marriage should continue to be defined as a man and a woman.

This issue has become an issue for which it is not allowable to express an opposing point of view. There is such hatred and hostility from those who support homosexual marriage towards those who oppose it. It’s sad to see that we’re not allowed to have reasoned discussions about an issue of the day.


11 posted on 05/13/2012 9:45:39 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Sporke

I have a few gay friends as well. Unless you are very good friends with them, and by that I mean friends for your entire life which means you’ve probably already been able to have a rational discussion with them about your views and their views, then you are damned if you discuss your dissenting view point. No matter how calmly and rationally you make your point, if you do not agree with them lock stock and barrel, you will be branded homophobic. The same irrational reasoning that other racial minorities use to brand someone who doesn’t agree with them a racist, applies here as well. But then again who am I to give an opinion, I don’t really Facebook so I don’t know what it’s like to have peripheral friends, and I doubt if I had these peripheral kind of acquaintances, I would be having a discussion of sexuality, race or religion with them. I have face to face conversation with my friends from different races, different sexual orientations and different religious backgrounds about these issues...and we are still friends though we may not agree 100% on all issues. It’s a lot easier to type hatred than it is to speak it to someone’s face. Good luck with your decision.


12 posted on 05/13/2012 9:53:35 PM PDT by ebersole
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To: Sporke

I would just hide the post. If you aren’t sure how to do that, FReepmail me and I’ll be happy to help.


13 posted on 05/13/2012 9:55:07 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Sporke

Remind them that they have a stake in the survival of Western Civilization also, that temporary feelings of team identity, and team victories should not distract them from the big picture.

We don’t have to become political proponents of every single thing that is of interest to us as an individual, I have homosexual friends that don’t think that the scouts should be forced to accept homosexual scout masters, not just because of the freedom issue, but because they don’t think it is smart. In other words, their being gay does not force them to jump on an unsound band wagon, other gay friends have scoffed at the idea of redefining marriage to mean two guys, others have blanched at the bizarre trend and said “what, are we becoming a bunch of straights now?” “Is the gay thing over?” “Are we just monogamous copies of our dads now, except with a gay “wife” or “husband” and united in marriage forever?” Some of them are rebelling at this effort to neuter the wild life and good times, the debauchery that have always been the homosexual lifestyle.

You are going to have to stay loose and flexible to handle a crowd like that, and to have a positive effect, read some of the old homosexual blockbusters from before the ‘gay agenda movement’. I get the feeling there is a tiny rebellion among homosexuals to this sterilizing political activism of the last 40 years, that they are bored with it and want to go back to being outsiders, and sexual rebels, not gay versions of their grandparents.

During the discussions, you will learn which avenues to work through for different posters, if you are a reader, look for the books that represent the various divisions of the homosexual crowd, from Christian gays to debauchery gays, to radical leftist activist gays, female versus male gays (huge difference), and know how to speak to that particular element and emerging gay philosophy.


14 posted on 05/13/2012 9:56:25 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Brad's Gramma

You don’t even have to unfriend them. Click the top right button, the one with a sort of “v” sign; then, where it says “Subscribed to —”, choose “Only Important”. That’s it. You will be seeing nearly zero posts from them, and can revert at any time.

But, come on, do you really need that kind of friends? Something to think about. Hard to say, I don’t know them :P


15 posted on 05/13/2012 9:57:16 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Moose Burger

I dumped one awhile back...

I thought about it for a nano-second and *poof*...she was gone! It felt GREAT not having to look at that (old) picture of “poor” young Trayvon, day in, day out.


16 posted on 05/13/2012 10:04:55 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Sporke

I have lots of gay friends on Facebook and those who vehemently support them. Their primary reason for spring supporting gay marriage is that they hate the dogmatic intolerance of the religious right trying to dictate to them how they should live and what they should believe. In their attempt to sway us away from our beliefs and doctrines for its intolerance, they often display the most hateful,vicious intolerance themselves for those with whom they disagree. The hypocrisy is list on them. Do not trouble yourself to respond.


17 posted on 05/13/2012 10:05:46 PM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: Sporke

I have lots of gay friends on Facebook and those who vehemently support them. Their primary reason for supporting gay marriage is that they hate the dogmatic intolerance of the religious right trying to dictate to them how they should live and what they should believe. In their attempt to sway us away from our beliefs and doctrines for its intolerance, they often display the most hateful,vicious intolerance themselves for those with whom they disagree. The hypocrisy is lost on them. Do not trouble yourself to respond.


18 posted on 05/13/2012 10:06:53 PM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: Sporke

I think if gays want to ‘marry’, they should design their own marriage lifestyle, morals, agreements, etc. based on what they want, or more likely, what radical, amoral gay activists want to impose upon them.

We need to strengthen heterosexual marriage and family and won’t benefit from gay activists redesigning heterosexual marriage and relationships to fit the gay activist sexual mentality. Heterosexual marriage and family is too important to the well being of our society to turn it over to gay radicals for their redesign. Therefore, gays should bugger off.


19 posted on 05/13/2012 10:09:10 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: erkyl
Their primary reason for supporting gay marriage is that they hate the dogmatic intolerance of the religious right trying to dictate to them how they should live and what they should believe.

For that type, I think mocking them for wanting to become straights would make them think, those sound like the type that used to be proud of being dogs, debauchery loving outsiders, freaks, now they think they want to be like old monogamous straights.

20 posted on 05/13/2012 10:17:49 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Sporke

I’m so glad I came across this post, I have been struggling with this as well. I have been trying to compose a response in my head and couldn’t quite figure out how to respond to some posts.

After reading what other people have commented, I have decided that they are right and there is nothing you can say that won’t make you sound “evil” for disagreeing.

At least we have somewhere to go with like minded people. :-)


21 posted on 05/13/2012 10:21:33 PM PDT by mrsadams
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To: Brad's Gramma

All my gay friends are people I went to high school with, 30+ years ago, and none of them are close friends.

I wouldn’t unfriend them over this issue, because I do see where they are coming from.

I was going to let the whole thing go because I knew nothing good would come from me saying anything, until I saw a post from another friend of mine. He posted “marriage isn’t a freedom thing, it’s a God thing”.
I agree with that.

I’m a libertarian too, which doesn’t help, because if I went by my political philosophy, I’d be in favor of gay marriage. As a Christian, I don’t have that option. If God says something is wrong, then it’s wrong, period.

I think I’ll end up just saying that I feel their pain, but as a Christian, I can’t agree with them (even though I hoped to leave religion out of it).

It’s just sad that some people can’t disagree without being disagreeable.

I do appreciate your reply and everyone elses.


22 posted on 05/13/2012 10:22:03 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: Sporke

The following is not a personal attack on you, it’s Facebook.

Screw Facebook!

I’m sick of all this social networking moronic bullshit. “Oh, I’m going to the bathroom now”. “Wow, I just got up and the sun is shining”. Ouch, I just stubbed my toe.” Oh look at my daughter in her new swimsuit. Isn’t she cute?”

Who gives a rats ass?

What happened to calling friends up and friggin talkin to them? With such a personal subject like this, a blanket response that pertains to different individuals is not gonna work.

IMO, If you must respond, give each one who needs your response a call.


23 posted on 05/13/2012 10:27:24 PM PDT by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: Sporke

Simply quote the Koran, Shura 7:80-84:

“...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)”

And ask them if they will DARE to argue against the Muslims as they do the Christians, and show their intolerance of other cultures. Then listen to the deafening silence. Then laugh at them.


24 posted on 05/13/2012 10:43:57 PM PDT by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Sporke

The only reason homosexuality is wrong is because God said so.


25 posted on 05/13/2012 10:54:49 PM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Sporke
As a Christian, I don’t have that option. If God says something is wrong, then it’s wrong, period.

There ya have it. All in two sentences.

I'm proud of you...

26 posted on 05/13/2012 10:57:32 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Sporke
Checkout my profile: http://www.freerepublic.com/~scripter/ for some helpful links.

Freepmail me with any questions.

27 posted on 05/13/2012 10:58:47 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Sporke
Marriage is meant to form a family and procreate. Homosexuals cannot procreate. Sure they can adopt or get artificially inseminated, but it is not a natural act where the child is a bloodline offspring. Knowing who and growing up with your biologically parents is important in rearing a healthy child.

Homosexuals who claim their marriage is equal ignore the natural longing of a child. This is the selfish aspect of so called gay/lesbian marriages that hurts the child and society as a whole. The next worst class of selfish people are women who look for sperm donors and become single mothers. In most ways I see no difference between the single women and gay marriage crowd. They are driven by selfish desire. Homos use the mental health of the child as a wedge to rationalize their lifestyle. We now have to teach children in schools that Johnny's two moms are as normal as your mom and dad. They are selfish. They care little for the children. It's that simple.

I believe the worst abusers of this homosexual marriage movement are lesbians. [I never understood the term same sex marriage. We never referred to normal marriage as opposite sex marriage] They are more likely to want children. I'm guessing for every one gay couple with children there are ten lesbian couples with children. They are the ones making most of the noise.

So if your friends are lesbians, you will be scorned no matter how you explain yourself. If your friends are gay, they may let it roll. If you want to maintain your sanity, stick to your beliefs. Any friends worth keeping will have to live with your beliefs.

28 posted on 05/13/2012 11:01:32 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: RacerX1128

“Screw Facebook!

I’m sick of all this social networking moronic bullshit.”

Jeez, and I thought that it was just me. Glad to see I’m not alone.


29 posted on 05/13/2012 11:10:52 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Sporke

You could remind them that marriage was designed to make children legitimate. If a child is born to an unmarried couple it is unclear who the father is. When the couple is married the husband is established as the father—no questions asked.

If children were not involved there would be no need for marriage. Why would a woman need a husband when she could provide for herself? Married couples that produce children benefit society—they guarantee its survival. And their children become future taxpayers—another benefit to society.

Gay relationships do not benefit society. How do the actions of two gay men or two gay women that cannot produce children benefit society? I have many relationships with friends that have not produced children either and that also do not benefit society. They are a benefit to me personally and to my friends, but they do not benefit society. Should all of those relationships be recognized so that we can get privileges from the government? I have a relationship with my mother. Should I be allowed to form a union with my mother so that I can collect her benefits when she dies?

You could also point out to your gay friends that they already have the right to marry—everyone does as long as they marry someone of the opposite sex. Gay people CHOOSE not to exercise these rights. They aren’t denied anything. They want special privileges. Why should two able-bodied gay men who can work their whole lives without ever producing children together get special privileges?


30 posted on 05/13/2012 11:31:48 PM PDT by dupree
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To: Sporke

If you don’t want to unfriend the flamers, you can unsubscribe from their comments without their knowledge.


31 posted on 05/13/2012 11:37:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Sporke

Well, you shouldn’t leave Christian faith out of it if you say something. You believe in something that the “world” does not believe in. Christian faith would mean nothing if it could be had from the world. Saying this will put some off. God will draw others closer if only in curiosity.


32 posted on 05/13/2012 11:40:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Sporke

You want to leave out religion to sound rational...to your many homosexual friends.

What to write on facebook seems the least of your troubles.

They are sending you messages that, when it comes down to it, have to do with sticking their penis in a mans anal cavity and you are worried about offending them with religion? You need new friends.


33 posted on 05/13/2012 11:43:31 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: dupree

It’s a minority of GAYS that contemplate getting “gay married.” A larger segment of gays pushes for its establishment, not for its own sake, but as part of a plan to punk society, to get it to bend to other “gay” agendas.

I WANNA MARRY MY TOMCAT!!!!!


34 posted on 05/13/2012 11:43:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: Stormdog

You’re definitely not alone.

Pissing people off on FreeRepublic occasionally is about close as many of us here are ever gonna get to “social networking” - whatever in San Hill that is.


35 posted on 05/13/2012 11:44:02 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

Make that “Sam” Hill.


36 posted on 05/13/2012 11:45:12 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Sporke

It doesn’t matter how reasoned and civil you are, your friends will attack conservatism and, finally, you personally. They will compete with each for who is most loyal to “the King”. You see, it has roots in Stone Age tribal behavior. Take care, you will be unfriended.


37 posted on 05/14/2012 12:22:59 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: Sporke

My response to this stuff was “Obama did nothing” then I went on to explain that Obama went on to support States Rights after his personal statement on gay marriage. Obama is trying to have it both ways - so to speak - without risking anything. I also added sympathy for gay people who are being used as pawns in Obama’s sick political games. He raises their hopes and at the same time offers them less than nothing.

Mel


38 posted on 05/14/2012 1:54:04 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Sporke

I don’t have any “gay” friends, wouldn’t associate with anyone gay, won’t work with anyone gay (that I’m aware of) because my views are well known on the subject and folks know exactly where I stand.


39 posted on 05/14/2012 2:33:09 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: maddog55

Well, I do, and they know that if they press the issue, that I’m going to respond. :)

So, don’t spam my inbox and I won’t reply to yours.

It’s called real respect. And yes, some have unfriended me. Their loss.


40 posted on 05/14/2012 3:39:41 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Sporke

My son had a friend whose apartment was robbed within minutes after he left to go on vacation.

The guy was an avid facebooker, with hundreds of “friends” who were going to watch his place AND who knew he was leaving and the exact time of his flight.

My son and his friends stopped their accounts and have not used facebook since.


41 posted on 05/14/2012 4:01:09 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Sporke

I just say, “Why is the government involved in marriage at all?”

They have nothing to say.

I have a covenant marriage.


42 posted on 05/14/2012 4:16:59 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom

For decades they screamed “Get the government out of our bedrooms” ... now they demand the government get back into their bedrooms.


43 posted on 05/14/2012 4:51:49 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Exactly!!!!!


44 posted on 05/14/2012 4:53:48 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Sporke

Ancient Greece was rife with homosexuality. But the Greeks apparently never considered homosexual marriage, evidently possessing the insight that it would wreck their whole society.


45 posted on 05/14/2012 5:54:07 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Sporke

One point you ought to make is that there has never been a “right” to marry.

Historically, “marriage” has been an obligation or commitment undertaken by a couple, (ideally) before engaging in activity that might reasonably be expected to result in offspring, to maximize the likelihood that said offspring survive to adulthood.

In furtherance of that maximization principle, there were even restrictions placed on “mixed sex” marriage - you couldn’t marry a close relative, you couldn’t marry someone with a “social disease”, you couldn’t marry someone who was already married.

Since a homosexual couple cannot produce children, there is no reason for them to marry.


46 posted on 05/14/2012 6:39:31 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: fish hawk
Some of them are Christians too but they have a lesbo daughter or gay son so feel they have to stick up for them.

I understand that feeling, especially if they are exposed to the biased rhetoric in modern sitcoms. But if I had a child who was falling away from God's Word, I would consider it far more loving to clarify their duty to God than to applaud with an insincere smile and, "whatever makes you happy". I am disgusted with parents who bow to political correctness over being right with God - it doesn't get more hateful than leading a child astray. God does not hate gay people, but He has made it perfectly clear how He feels about giving in to inappropriate sexual desires (whether gay, adulterous, or premarital).

47 posted on 05/14/2012 6:49:22 AM PDT by Pollster1 (¬ďA boy becomes a man when a man is needed.¬Ē - John Steinbeck)
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