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FBI may charge George Zimmerman with hate crime
http://www.wftv.com ^ | May 14, 2012

Posted on 05/14/2012 6:15:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 05/14/2012 6:52:23 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

SANFORD, Fla. — WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious.

State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.

Zimmerman admitted to killing Martin in February during a confrontation. However, he claims the shooting was in self-defense. He's facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. But if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty of a federal hate crime involving murder, he could face the death penalty.

FBI investigators are actively questioning witnesses in the retreat at the Twin Lakes neighborhood, seeking evidence for a possible federal hate crime charge.


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To: tbw2
If he is found not guilty of manslaughter by self-defense, he gets hit with a hate crime? Isn’t this double jeopardy?

Yes and no. Rationally, under the rule of law, it violates the spirit of the law. The First Rapist, Clinton's Justice department, introduced the concept that double jeopardy was OK, if the feds filed charges, under the irrational interpretation of a 'civil rights' statute, a federal crime, if they are not happy with the legal verdict of what was, essentially, a state crime. Happened after the acquital of the cops in the Rodney King riots trials.

If the GOP had any members with guts and brains, they would introduce a law that makes elected federal office holders subject to state laws for incompetence, corruption, abuse of authority and fraud under color of authority.
Turnabout is fair play.

Let the state national guards fight it out with the army. See how far that gets! I would love to see the Feds take over for the even more corrupt and incompetent California legislature.

151 posted on 05/15/2012 5:47:37 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If the FBI charges him with a hate crime - the 'talk' everyone's been wanting about race will happen. And it won't just be nutty black extremest doing the talking - or their crazy liberal elite counterparts...

Might be time for the 'black community to hear from some honest white people... and some honest black people...

Also, if the FBI does this as a PC witch hunt, they'll be throwing their credibility away faster than NBC doctoring tapes of Zimmerman...

152 posted on 05/15/2012 5:54:12 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: OneWingedShark
Specifically, would existent laws deriving their ‘justification’ from that clause be null and void automatically; or would each law have to be challenged individually (also giving the government the time/ability to justify that law via some other route)?

Probably not nullify related existing laws but would deny future similar perversions of the "commerce" clause.

It's useful to note that corrupt Justice Deparments have not been successful using any other existing clause in the Constitution to abuse citizens with a similar, creative, swiss army knife interpretation similar to "interstate commerce."

153 posted on 05/15/2012 6:01:16 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: SatinDoll
Their intent is to start a civil war.

Revolution, not civil war. There is a huge difference. "You never want a serious crisis go to waste!" was made famous by this bunch.

Even worse, they have demonstrated if no crisis exists, they will create one, even if it involve mass murder. "Fast and Furious" has created a "firestorm crisis" in Mexico. By arming the Sinaloa drug cartel of Mexico, Obama's DOJ has massively expanded the War in Mexico, resulting in thousands killed.

154 posted on 05/15/2012 6:16:56 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: publius911

I’ve been making Madame DuFarge knitting references for a good while. Here’s one from 2006, but I expect there are earlier ones.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1566887/posts?page=31#31

Seriously, how do you do that in a collaborative way that doesn’t bring undue attention? Probably impossible.


155 posted on 05/15/2012 6:21:15 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: XHogPilot

The following is right along the lines you’re talkin’ about.

NCIS: Marines Sold Millions In Stolen Combat Equipment Online
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2884217/posts

To: Rebelbase

An FBI agent visiting my indoor range in CA told me this was going on in 1999. The weapons are being sold by gang members who joined the military and sell to their homies.

The weapons are being cached in anticipation of a hot shooting war on our soil. Gangs vs everyone else. This isn’t news. It is a long term pattern. It won’t be pleasant when the shooting starts.

12 posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:25:17 PM by Myrddin
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156 posted on 05/15/2012 7:32:17 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: rockrr

What is a legitimate website for donating to Zimmerman’s defense fund?


157 posted on 05/15/2012 7:40:24 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama needs a show trial before the election. Poor Mr. Zimmerman is it. Stalin, for example, found them quite useful in the ‘30’s.
158 posted on 05/15/2012 7:42:49 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca (Keep the main thing the main thing - defeat Obama)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

It`s also possible that while pleasing to black`s, they may also offend Hispanic`s

I wish the trial could start prior to the election


159 posted on 05/15/2012 7:44:53 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: tbw2

I don’t know. He had a Facebook page for a while and (I think) linked it to a PayPal account but that’s closed down at this point. the prosecuting attorney found out about the money he raised for his defense and wanted to up his bail in an attempt to seize it.


160 posted on 05/15/2012 8:21:42 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: publius911

>>Specifically, would existent laws deriving their ‘justification’ from that clause be null and void automatically; or would each law have to be challenged individually (also giving the government the time/ability to justify that law via some other route)?
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>Probably not nullify related existing laws but would deny future similar perversions of the “commerce” clause.

See now, that just sounds really, REALLY screwed up. That would be like the government saying, “yes the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment in whole, but, you know all those laws we passed prohibiting alcohol are still in effect.”

It makes no sense to me how such reasoning could be in our judicial-system, and much-less that it should be considered valid.


161 posted on 05/15/2012 9:20:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Classic case of Scapegoating

scapegoating is a recurring theme throughout history . The sins of society will be pinned to the sacrificial goat once again

162 posted on 05/15/2012 9:32:32 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Fumbling Bumbling Idiots evidently represent an organization comparable to the Stazi, SS and KGB. What are they going to do next? Arrest a handicapped white woman because she tried to outrun a black mugger in her wheelchair? Bunch of worthless @ssholes.


163 posted on 05/15/2012 9:48:45 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: House Atreides

The FBI is hardly a professional organization. If those idiots had an iota of integrity, they would resign before disgracing themselves and the organization by stooping to the concept of inventing crimes and most probably falsifying evidence for the sake of the racist democrat cause. These people are disgusting, cowardly and unethical.


164 posted on 05/15/2012 9:53:21 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: SatinDoll

Dey ain’t gots to do a whole lotta’ fomentin’ to get some of us hostile. We already deah.


165 posted on 05/15/2012 11:12:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Feckless

Self Defense While White or Part White = The Ultimate Hate Crime

Zimmerman, the racist semi white/part Hispanic with African blood in his evil face, nose and eyes obviously attacked the innocent hoodie, who could have been a son of Obozo.

With the cororner’s report it is obvious: The evil part white/hispanic/African attacked the now dead black victim’s fists with his broken nose and damaged/black eyes.

The poor innocent hoodie, who could have been son of Obozo died from the terrible wounds inflicted on his hands/fingers from the vicious attack by the evil face of Zimmerman, the semi white/part hispanic/African America .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2884131/posts

ABC News: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Black Eyes, Broken Nose, Cuts, Swollen Face
ABC News via Twitter ^ | Tuesday, May 15, 2012 | Matt Gutman

Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:06:52 PM by kristinn

@ABC exclusive: medical report from morning after Zimmerman shot #Trayvonmartin. Show he had broken nose, swollen face blck eyes. 2 cuts

5:18 PM - 15 May 12via Twitter for BlackBerry®·

For more on our exclusive new information on Zimmerman’s medical report post shooting tune into @ABCWorldNews


166 posted on 05/16/2012 11:00:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: SatinDoll

Eric Holder needs to be put in jail ASAP. He is one of the country’s worst criminals right now.


167 posted on 05/16/2012 11:20:47 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Did you know Eric Holder was the top Assistant Attorney General of the U.S.A. during the Clinton Administration? AG Janet Reno was ill most of her tenure at DOJ so Holder ran the department.

Corrupt? Undoubtedly.


168 posted on 05/16/2012 2:14:18 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: OneWingedShark
Specifically, would existent laws deriving their ‘justification’ from that clause be null and void automatically; or would each law have to be challenged individually (also giving the government the time/ability to justify that law via some other route)?

The proper approach would be to have statutes recognize that in cases where the application or applicability of a law could be dependent upon contested factual matters, the defendant has the right to have a jury make the necessary factual determinations. With regard to the Commerce Clause, it should be necessary for the prosecution, when prosecuting "Commerce-clause" statutes, to demonstrate that the defendant's conduct materially interfered with a legitimate exercise of the Commerce Power. The fact that 99% of the people who violate a statute do so in a way which the federal government would have the authority to forbid, should not preclude the remaining 1% from prevailing if the federal government could not demonstrate that their particular actions would not interfere with the federal government's efforts to regulate interstate commerce unless the federal government went out of its way to ensure that they did.

This principle should apply in many other cases as well. For example, to rein in the outrageous conduct of some police conducting "searches", the states should recognize defendants' right to have juries evaluate whether searches are in fact conducted in "reasonable fashion", and whether warrants are based upon "good faith" probable cause. Juries should be instructed that if they do not find credible the justifications for a warrant, nor the claims that a search was performed in "reasonable" fashion, they should not construe any evidence gained thereby in a manner detrimental to the defendant.

To be sure, judges should have a role in keeping from juries evidence that the prosecution obtained via clearly-illegitimate means, since juries might not always disregard things that they should. On the other hand, the fact that a judge finds that something wasn't patently unreasonable doesn't mean that it was, in fact, reasonable. If "trial by jury" includes the rights to have jurors make a veto-proof determination that prosecutor's witness is not credible, then it should also include the right to have them make such a determination that prosecutors' claims that warrants were issued in "good faith" are not credible, since such claims will invariably depend upon witnesses.

169 posted on 05/16/2012 3:32:42 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Feckless

“seeking evidence for a possible federal hate crime charge.”

Sounds like Zimmerman is accumulating a little too much
cash for his defense and needs to be brought down a notch.
Next some judge is going to put a hold on any contibutions
made for his defense as “racist contributions” and demand
he use only attorneys appointed by the court.


170 posted on 05/16/2012 6:14:00 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: SatinDoll

but but but there is a Disproportionate number of black`s in jail (and yes that is very sad, personally I think too many people in jail of any color)

Just maybe there is a reason for so many black`s in jail? Perhaps they watch the behavior of the members of the liberal Black Churches that so quickly have thrown their principals out the window, the way they have trampled on their rich Christian heritage. Perhaps if they stood for what the Bible and Jesus said, there might not be such a Disproportionate number of black`s in jail???


171 posted on 05/16/2012 8:27:20 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

At one point in the past nearly 48% of the prison population in Washington State was Hispanic, mostly Mexican and Guatamalan nationals involved in narcotics trafficking along the I-5 corridor. At the time they made up a small proportion of the population.

Aside from that specific example, in this country if you graduate from high school, are gainfully employed and are married with children you are far less likely to commit a crime and end up incarcerated. The majority of people fitting that description in the U.S.A. are white or asian.

The demographics are obvious.


172 posted on 05/16/2012 8:42:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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